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Crazed Capitalist wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

They asked for input on this during the fanfest presentation, so input you will get.

Few things I can say on this topic is, L-CTRL being crouch is some seriously archaic stuff. I do not, and will not, use my pinky on a mechanical keyboard for gaming. You are thus forcing me to move my entire hand over to that stupid button in the middle of a gunfight if i want to use it. Not really a good idea.

Crouch is C. You got it? C. I can hit that with my index finger easily already.

If you had prone, which you don't currently, it would be X, because that puts both stances next to each other for easy transition access.

Grenades would be F, because why the hell not? You don't have a flashlight function and this is easier to hit than G.

Sprint should also be attached to the first default side mouse button. Easy access in a pinch. Shift is easier access than L-CTRL, but its still unintuitive. I suppose you can leave it there as a double function for people that have a wonky mouse.

Second order of business is weapon swapping. It's inconsistent on the middle mouse wheel. Sometimes it decides to switch your weapon, sometimes it doesnt. Not sure why this is, but fix it. There is also a problem with having caps lock as a means of doing anything. Most notably that you're using caps lock as a means of doing something. Doesn't help that its right next to tab, which brings up the score board at a ridiculously slow, game freezing rate.

If you were to accidentally hit that now, you probably just killed yourself. I'm sure you can see the issue.

How small are your hands, I can reach lctrl with my pinkie without moving my hand easily. It should be completely customizable. I prefer having crouch and sprint the way they are, and my grenades on my mouse side button

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Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 219	Posted - 2013.04.30 11:18:00 - [1] - Quote They asked for input on this during the fanfest presentation, so input you will get. Few things I can say on this topic is, L-CTRL being crouch is some seriously archaic stuff. I do not, and will not, use my pinky on a mechanical keyboard for gaming. You are thus forcing me to move my entire hand over to that stupid button in the middle of a gunfight if i want to use it. Not really a good idea. Crouch is C. You got it? C. I can hit that with my index finger easily already. If you had prone, which you don't currently, it would be X, because that puts both stances next to each other for easy transition access. Grenades would be F, because why the hell not? You don't have a flashlight function and this is easier to hit than G. Sprint should also be attached to the first default side mouse button. Easy access in a pinch. Shift is easier access than L-CTRL, but its still unintuitive. I suppose you can leave it there as a double function for people that have a wonky mouse. Second order of business is weapon swapping. It's inconsistent on the middle mouse wheel. Sometimes it decides to switch your weapon, sometimes it doesnt. Not sure why this is, but fix it. There is also a problem with having caps lock as a means of doing anything. Most notably that you're using caps lock as a means of doing something. Doesn't help that its right next to tab, which brings up the score board at a ridiculously slow, game freezing rate. If you were to accidentally hit that now, you probably just killed yourself. I'm sure you can see the issue.
CheiLi Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.04.30 16:42:00 - [2] - Quote I HATE crouching at Cntrl.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 103	Posted - 2013.04.30 16:47:00 - [3] - Quote It's the reason why I stopped trying to learn to use M&K. I didn't like the keyboard much to begin with, but the crouch button is ridiculous.
Crazed Capitalist Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2013.04.30 17:05:00 - [4] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: They asked for input on this during the fanfest presentation, so input you will get. Few things I can say on this topic is, L-CTRL being crouch is some seriously archaic stuff. I do not, and will not, use my pinky on a mechanical keyboard for gaming. You are thus forcing me to move my entire hand over to that stupid button in the middle of a gunfight if i want to use it. Not really a good idea. Crouch is C. You got it? C. I can hit that with my index finger easily already. If you had prone, which you don't currently, it would be X, because that puts both stances next to each other for easy transition access. Grenades would be F, because why the hell not? You don't have a flashlight function and this is easier to hit than G. Sprint should also be attached to the first default side mouse button. Easy access in a pinch. Shift is easier access than L-CTRL, but its still unintuitive. I suppose you can leave it there as a double function for people that have a wonky mouse. Second order of business is weapon swapping. It's inconsistent on the middle mouse wheel. Sometimes it decides to switch your weapon, sometimes it doesnt. Not sure why this is, but fix it. There is also a problem with having caps lock as a means of doing anything. Most notably that you're using caps lock as a means of doing something. Doesn't help that its right next to tab, which brings up the score board at a ridiculously slow, game freezing rate. If you were to accidentally hit that now, you probably just killed yourself. I'm sure you can see the issue. How small are your hands, I can reach lctrl with my pinkie without moving my hand easily. It should be completely customizable. I prefer having crouch and sprint the way they are, and my grenades on my mouse side button
Aythadis Smith The Generals EoN. 9	Posted - 2013.04.30 17:40:00 - [5] - Quote I'd rather have customizable lay out. But yes, L control on a mechanical is a pain. Personal beef is how hard it is to select your spawn. How you will just pass right over it. Also the orbital feels clunky with it. So I still have to play with both. A few times ii was caught dropping an orbital with the controller then suddenly I have to flip into a firefight.
Tac Com Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 45	Posted - 2013.04.30 17:54:00 - [6] - Quote I may be an old school PC FPS player but the reason L Cntl is crouch in many shooters is because you have an indepenant finger for crouch that isn't a toggle. I can hold and release my pinky for crouching at will which allows faster reaction of crouching and standing. When you make it a toggle though like it is in console games it's a bit slower but even still, I'd rather not have it as C. It drives me nuts because you have to take your finger away from a movement key to crouch or stand. Having played competatively a few years back, taking any finger away from a movement key is certain death and you must have a great benefit from doing so. Often what was done is mapping nearby keys to extra mouse buttons just so you didn't have to do so. Also having sprint and crouch on your pinky finger makes sense because you often can't use sprint and crouch at the same time. Often what I found helped for hand positioning is instead of having your hand straight up the keyboard, you have your hand slightly off to the right and rotated towards the keys which gives a lot more room for hitting L Cntl and it also lines up well with the line of keys going up and down. That said: Caps Lock for the selection wheel though is silly....
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 345	Posted - 2013.04.30 17:57:00 - [7] - Quote Why would they need input for control schemes? Are we not getting mapping?
Tac Com Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 45	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:00:00 - [8] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Why would they need input for control schemes? Are we not getting mapping? Because at Fanfest they basically said they don't want to invest resources into it right now as they got other projects on the go and at too busy. It's not a simple thing to do on PS3 apparently. But what they said could easily be done is alternative keymappings.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 94	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:02:00 - [9] - Quote I'd like a keymap with sprint shifted to C as I usually do with my PC games, and shift as jump. ALso, set a toggle that makes crouch toggle or hold down as you desire. I'd like the interaction (e) to be moved onto space, and reload to be moved onto the middle mouse. set the radial menu to r or q from there, and I will be happy.
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries 42	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:04:00 - [10] - Quote Add crouch toggle please.

Jikt Terlen Certificate of Participation 11	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:16:00 - [11] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Second order of business is weapon swapping. It's inconsistent on the middle mouse wheel. Sometimes it decides to switch your weapon, sometimes it doesnt. Not sure why this is, but fix it. There is also a problem with having caps lock as a means of doing anything. Most notably that you're using caps lock as a means of doing something. Doesn't help that its right next to tab, which brings up the score board at a ridiculously slow, game freezing rate. If you were to accidentally hit that now, you probably just killed yourself. I'm sure you can see the issue. Oh hell yes. Weapon swapping (and also selection of secondary equipment) is terrible currently. I hate the radial menu for any purpose, with a controller or keyboard, but at the very least the mouse wheel should switch among your available options, including (IMO) things like the repair tool, nanohive and nanite injector. I would love to see dedicated keys for modules and equipment, but I suspect controller users would complain... The scoreboard button has damn near killed me numerous times. How about putting it somewhere you will never accidentally press it, say, Shift-F12.
Cappy Gorram DUST University Ivy League 5	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:31:00 - [12] - Quote I'm very comfortable with LCtrl crouch. I hate grenades on X though, since, as someone mentioned above, it makes you move one of your movement fingers, which is particularly bad when you're trying to cook a grenade and move around a corner to release it. My wish list: Grenade on the mouse Scroll through weapons AND equipment via mouse wheel (a good variant would be to toggle whether you're cycling through weapons OR equipment with Q). Use the number keys or function keys to select weapons/equipment/activate modules.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 220	Posted - 2013.05.01 11:36:00 - [13] - Quote Crazed Capitalist wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: They asked for input on this during the fanfest presentation, so input you will get. Few things I can say on this topic is, L-CTRL being crouch is some seriously archaic stuff. I do not, and will not, use my pinky on a mechanical keyboard for gaming. You are thus forcing me to move my entire hand over to that stupid button in the middle of a gunfight if i want to use it. Not really a good idea. Crouch is C. You got it? C. I can hit that with my index finger easily already. If you had prone, which you don't currently, it would be X, because that puts both stances next to each other for easy transition access. Grenades would be F, because why the hell not? You don't have a flashlight function and this is easier to hit than G. Sprint should also be attached to the first default side mouse button. Easy access in a pinch. Shift is easier access than L-CTRL, but its still unintuitive. I suppose you can leave it there as a double function for people that have a wonky mouse. Second order of business is weapon swapping. It's inconsistent on the middle mouse wheel. Sometimes it decides to switch your weapon, sometimes it doesnt. Not sure why this is, but fix it. There is also a problem with having caps lock as a means of doing anything. Most notably that you're using caps lock as a means of doing something. Doesn't help that its right next to tab, which brings up the score board at a ridiculously slow, game freezing rate. If you were to accidentally hit that now, you probably just killed yourself. I'm sure you can see the issue. How small are your hands, I can reach lctrl with my pinkie without moving my hand easily. It should be completely customizable. I prefer having crouch and sprint the way they are, and my grenades on my mouse side button My pinky can reach it, im not going to use my pinky to reach it however. This is an old school mechanical keyboard and its built to have resistance on every key press for better accuracy. It is awkward as hell to use your pinky on something with that kind of resistance.
Smooth Head Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.05.01 11:42:00 - [14] - Quote Apparently it would be easier for CCP to cure child leukemia than implement controller customizing. I believe they are moving into a sideline of carpal tunnel therapeutic treatment products instead. So as well on the suffering of pinkies it looks like they are happy to watch children die as well.
Nightbird Aeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 127	Posted - 2013.05.01 13:35:00 - [15] - Quote Tac Com wrote: Caps Lock for the selection wheel though is silly.... If you use a mouse with a middle-mouse wheel, you can push down the mouse wheel to get the selection wheel for sidearms and equipment. Holding CAPS-Q for squad commands is a pain, though. You need to stop moving in order to toggle someone.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3763	Posted - 2013.05.01 13:42:00 - [16] - Quote I normally bind crouch to space not C.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 220	Posted - 2013.05.01 13:56:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I normally bind crouch to space not C. You are so fired.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3764	Posted - 2013.05.01 14:01:00 - [18] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I normally bind crouch to space not C. You are so fired. Considering there are games that don't have it toggled like halo trying to wasd with C is very cramped very quickly when crouching and not crouching all the time. V is a bit better for the toggled crouching.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 220	Posted - 2013.05.01 14:04:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I normally bind crouch to space not C. You are so fired. Considering there are games that don't have it toggled like halo trying to wasd with C is very cramped very quickly when crouching and not crouching all the time. Hasn't been an issue since Halo 3. Of course, we've yet to even get that on PC. Crouch toggle itself should be an option.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3764	Posted - 2013.05.01 14:14:00 - [20] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I normally bind crouch to space not C. You are so fired. Considering there are games that don't have it toggled like halo trying to wasd with C is very cramped very quickly when crouching and not crouching all the time. Hasn't been an issue since Halo 3. Of course, we've yet to even get that on PC. Crouch toggle itself should be an option. Well its the only one I can remember having it not toggeled. there are few others out there.

Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 474	Posted - 2013.05.01 15:30:00 - [21] - Quote What do you use for jump then? I mean that is so bass ackwards....
hydraSlav's Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 146	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:52:00 - [22] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: Tac Com wrote: Caps Lock for the selection wheel though is silly.... If you use a mouse with a middle-mouse wheel, you can push down the mouse wheel to get the selection wheel for sidearms and equipment. Holding CAPS-Q for squad commands is a pain, though. You need to stop moving in order to toggle someone. No, push and hold the mouse-wheel, then only tap Q. It's a toggle. There is no need to hold any keyboard keys, just the middle mouse button
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4551	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:57:00 - [23] - Quote Tac Com wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Why would they need input for control schemes? Are we not getting mapping? Because at Fanfest they basically said they don't want to invest resources into it right now as they got other projects on the go and at too busy. It's not a simple thing to do on PS3 apparently. But what they said could easily be done is alternative keymappings. Well most mmo's I know of typically stores keybinding settings server side for various reasons and this eats client bandwidth and lowers their performance.


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