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Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:57:00 -
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Still seems like a problem to me..
You own two districts that have to attack each other each day. They generate 100 clones each every day. You need to send 300 clones to the grinder each day to self-lock both districts.
This means you only have to buy 100 clones/day.
That's a cost of ~53mil isk a day to district lock.
Now you get 80,000 per kill as the winning team so that will net you 24mil.
Now we are looking at a 24mil isk loss.
You get paid for 64 matches if you bring full squads to both fights but just afk, that should be about ~15mil ISK
Now you are looking at a 9mil isk loss, if random loot*64 is worth more than that it might be profitable. Either way it's so cheap it's a great alternative if you are being targeted.
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Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:57:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Still seems like a problem to me..
You own two districts that have to attack each other each day. They generate 100 clones each every day. You need to send 300 clones to the grinder each day to self-lock both districts.
This means you only have to buy 100 clones/day.
That's a cost of ~53mil isk a day to district lock.
Now you get 80,000 per kill as the winning team so that will net you 24mil.
Now we are looking at a 29mil isk loss.
You get paid for 64 matches if you bring full squads to both fights but just afk, that should be about ~15mil ISK
Now you are looking at a 14mil isk loss, if random loot*64 is worth more than that it might be profitable. Either way it's so cheap it's a great alternative if you are being targeted. For a few million isk (and maybe even a profit?) you will be safe from all enemy attack. Not quite true. The 300 clones you buy with Genolution packs cost 160 million ISK. The 200 clones you generate on your two districts each day are only worth 20 million ISK. If 150 clones are lost in a battle the ISK payout is 12 million, so that would be 24 million in total. You will get no more ISK than this from the battles. You will get no loot unless the clones have actually *died* in the battle. There are no loot if the 150 clones are lost only because of the 150 minimum clone loss rule. Thus, to get loot you will have to have players get killed/suicide in the match, but the loot is still dependant on what those players were using. In total you're looking at a 116 million ISK loss per day you do this using Genolution packs. Edit: Or 58 million ISK loss per day per district you do this for. The 116 million ISK loss is for two districts.
Why the **** would you sell clones then buy them back again for 8x the price?
Just use the clones you generate to attack...
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Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:23:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Why the **** would you sell clones then buy them back again for 8x the price?
Just use the clones you generate to attack... Where did I say you have to sell the clones you generate? I just said they're worth 100k. Also you can't attack your own district with Genolution packs, so you would need to have more than 1 corp to do this. I'm not saying that's hard to have, but I'm just stating you have to use more than 1 corp for this. If you do want to attack with the 100 clones your district generates you have to move them out before "your other corp" attacks your district, because you can't move clones out when under attack. This also means you have to wait until "your other corp" are done with the attack on your district to initiate another attack from your district. This means that there are a possibility you can be attacked by someone else before "your other corp" attacks you again.
In your calculations you sold your clones then bought more that's where I got that from. Strange that you can't move clones off a district when decked. That's a terrible terrible mechanic. You can tie up 400 clones for a day and take their less guarded assets. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:31:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:Guinevere Bravo wrote:80M ISK is pocket change, jesus even 300M is.
Dummy corp is a great idea to take the daily slot, kill one of their clones and let it run the coarse and you should end up with minimal losses and max profit from what ive read above, correct? lolwut? You're ISK dumping just to change districts between two corps? From my understanding you get ISK revenue when you HOLD those districts. Not when they switch hands.
Were talking about war shielding. Let's say imps want to take you out. For 10-20mil a day you can shield yourself from all attacks. Basically PC mechanics are broken. Obviously its not profitable, but it is preferable to losing your only land. Especially if districts are needed for manufacturing/PvE farming. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:36:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:What is the point of holding a district if it's not going to MAKE you money in the long run?
Holding two districts this way would only drain your wallet. I don't care if you have trillions of ISK in EVE, untill dust to even ISK transfers come out, and they are unhinged (minimal tax) this method won't be feasible, nor sustainable. Even after EVE-DUST transfers are in, it's only worth it if your EVE contingent can make up for the losses on a daily basis. which means more work.
It would be far more efficient to just hire quality mercs to fight to defend your district, or just fight for yourself.
but hey, don't take my word for it, I'm sure CCP has come up with plenty of ways to tweak the system to make it even less profitable if this becomes an issue.
Problem is manufacturing is tied to PC, if I could hire 16 elite mercs where they pay for gear for only 20mil if and only if they win let me know! Until then a Dec shield is preferable, which is a shame for a game about mercs. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:So that's 16million risk a day doing this met hood of destruction and shielding. Good luck protecting the dummy corp at the same time.
Cross deing now only 32 mil a day for complete absolute protection! Haha |
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