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Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:01:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote: Geras GÇô Nearly two months after the existence of cloned soldiers was made public to the cluster by Jacus Roden, Modern Finances has released a positive report on the financial viability of the soldiers. According to the report, the average cloned soldier begins providing a greater return on investment with each passing day, allowing them to quickly overcome their initial cost.
While the costs to create and train an individual cloned soldier is greater than an ordinary soldier, due to the necessity of implanting the brain scan devices, these costs are overcome GÇ£within three months on averageGÇ¥. Due to the retention of skills and the ability of the cloned soldiers to fight without fear of permanent death, the soldiers are quickly capable of outstripping the value of baseline troops.
GÇ£One of the largest costs of any military or mercenary outfit is training soldiers,GÇ¥ the report reads. GÇ£While the initial cost for the same is higher with cloned soldiers, because they have much lower attrition rates, there is a much lesser need to replace them. Additionally, their ability to gain knowledge and experience through repeat trials by fire allows them to become more highly skilled than other units. Camaraderie also remains high, as squad members need not be replaced with new recruits, allowing intra-unit cohesion to flourish.GÇ¥
While the report stops short of advocating a complete abandonment of traditional soldiers, it does recommend GÇ£increasing the usage of cloned soldiers utilizing second generation implants.GÇ¥
It also notes some potential negatives of the soldiers, such as the GÇ£tendency for cloned soldiers to take low-reward risks when caution would have been advisedGÇ¥ and the risk of GÇ£cloned soldiers becoming maladjusted to life off the battlefield and experiencing an extreme form of post-traumatic stress disorder.GÇ¥ However, these concerns were dismissed because GÇ£the profit potential far outweighs these additional costs.GÇ¥
Source: Galactic News Network |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
62
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:02:00 -
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It seems that we are actually more valuable to them than we are a threat after all...
Such is the life of a soldier that "never dies"...
Inb4 "'it's a trap" |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
72
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:06:00 -
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While I have some appreciation for having such a value being placed on me as a mercenary monetary wise, we are still less than people to them. Unfortunately countless deaths have left me a little jaded to the whole situation. Would still be nice to have some semblance of humanity shown towards me. |
Crazed Capitalist
Militaires Sans Jeux
4
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:06:00 -
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Yeah I suppose repeatedly dieing and watching your friends getting shot to hell would cause some wear and tear on a soldier's psyche |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
72
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:10:00 -
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Crazed Capitalist wrote:Yeah I suppose repeatedly dieing and watching your friends getting shot to hell would cause some wear and tear on a soldier's psyche
You would think if we got post traumatic stress it would not be so bad, but it has to be worse experiencing death that much. Something no regular soldier or mercenary could ever feel. Makes you wonder how much of yourself you leave behind every time you wake up in a new clone. It's not something you usually think about in the middle of a gunfight. |
Val'herik Dorn
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
484
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:11:00 -
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Pfft I died like 30 times yesterday pt... what the **** was that noise!?!?!? |
Etero Narciss
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
126
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:11:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote:While I have some appreciation for having such a value being placed on me as a mercenary monetary wise, we are still less than people to them. Unfortunately countless deaths have left me a little jaded to the whole situation. Would still be nice to have some semblance of humanity shown towards me. We traded our humanity for the power to kill a hangover by sucking on a bullet. With that in mind, it's hard to care about what they think. |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
72
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:22:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:Pfft I died like 30 times yesterday pt... what the **** was that noise!?!?!?
5...1...4...
Etero Narciss wrote:Jakar Umbra wrote:While I have some appreciation for having such a value being placed on me as a mercenary monetary wise, we are still less than people to them. Unfortunately countless deaths have left me a little jaded to the whole situation. Would still be nice to have some semblance of humanity shown towards me. We traded our humanity for the power to kill a hangover by sucking a bullet. With that in mind, it's hard to care about what they think.
I suppose. Still the sound of Mass Driver shells exploding next to your head tends to wake you when you're sleeping. As a Logistics it tends to be a bit worse since I'm more or less responsible for keeping your organs inside so you don't end up back at a CRU. Good thing the suits keeps the organs on the inside. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2148
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:23:00 -
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Well, people are bound to die one way or the other anyways be it accidental, war time, or old age. We just have to move on and only concern ourselves with what to do now. |
Etero Narciss
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
126
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:39:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:Pfft I died like 30 times yesterday pt... what the **** was that noise!?!?!? 5...1...4... Etero Narciss wrote:Jakar Umbra wrote:While I have some appreciation for having such a value being placed on me as a mercenary monetary wise, we are still less than people to them. Unfortunately countless deaths have left me a little jaded to the whole situation. Would still be nice to have some semblance of humanity shown towards me. We traded our humanity for the power to kill a hangover by sucking a bullet. With that in mind, it's hard to care about what they think. I suppose. Still the sound of Mass Driver shells exploding next to your head tends to wake you when you're sleeping. As a Logistics it tends to be a bit worse since I'm more or less responsible for keeping your organs inside so you don't end up back at a CRU. Good thing the suits keeps the organs on the inside. That empathy is gonna get you killed one day.
Heheheheh.... |
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Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
72
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:42:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Well, people are bound to die one way or the other anyways be it accidental, war time, or old age. We just have to move on and only concern ourselves with what to do now.
Except for one thing Mr. Ninja. We die over and over and over, usually in painful ways. I would say we're lucky if we die from a bullet most of the time. The memory of that many deaths has to do something to you somewhere between the "This is hell" and "This is normal" phase and even then, the pain of death can be traumatizing at anytime especially since we do it so regularly. |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
72
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:46:00 -
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Etero Narciss wrote:Jakar Umbra wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:Pfft I died like 30 times yesterday pt... what the **** was that noise!?!?!? 5...1...4... Etero Narciss wrote:Jakar Umbra wrote:While I have some appreciation for having such a value being placed on me as a mercenary monetary wise, we are still less than people to them. Unfortunately countless deaths have left me a little jaded to the whole situation. Would still be nice to have some semblance of humanity shown towards me. We traded our humanity for the power to kill a hangover by sucking a bullet. With that in mind, it's hard to care about what they think. I suppose. Still the sound of Mass Driver shells exploding next to your head tends to wake you when you're sleeping. As a Logistics it tends to be a bit worse since I'm more or less responsible for keeping your organs inside so you don't end up back at a CRU. Good thing the suits keeps the organs on the inside. That empathy is gonna get you killed one day. Heheheheh....
It is not death I fear, nor is it the killing, it's what dying so much does to my head. If the pay cheque is big enough I have no issues blowing some other person to orbit. |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
62
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:47:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:Pfft I died like 30 times yesterday pt... what the **** was that noise!?!?!? 5...1...4...
You do know the rumors about those who go crazy, right? You might want to avoid saying those numbers next to each other... in any order.
In any case...
To be quite honest, at this point in time, I don't know much of my sanity I have left. I mean, sure, I can capable of thinking logically through most of this time and can maintain a conversation on topics that may or may not be related to war directly, but I am sure that I am definitely not the normal kind of person that you see on the streets... not anymore.
Every other time, while I sleep, I tend to hear (and even see) the "drums of war"... countless battles being endlessly wage upon between our kind against our enemies, and even ourselves. Sometimes all I see is dust and the people that I kill coming back from said dust, like the legendary fire birds, only to die again and be reborn to fight once more. I see myself and my other self, and all of those past other selves that know that we were all once the same person, yet all of them not the same body, all suddenly falling into the dust from whence we once came.
"From ashes to ashes, from dust to dust."
Never though that was going to be such an appropriate phrase to describe myself, let alone those that share our likeness...
Maybe now I am so crazy that my insanity has developed into a state of "super-sanity". all that's left is but to put myself into a clown costume and call myself "The Juggler". So crazy, yet so insanely aware of one's self. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
241
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:47:00 -
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All I know one thing.
******* better have my ISK when I demand it. |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
72
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Posted - 2013.04.30 05:08:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:Jakar Umbra wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:Pfft I died like 30 times yesterday pt... what the **** was that noise!?!?!? .............. You do know the rumors about those who go crazy, right? You might want to avoid saying those numbers next to each other... in any order. In any case... To be quite honest, at this point in time, I don't know much of my sanity I have left. I mean, sure, I can capable of thinking logically through most of this time and can maintain a conversation on topics that may or may not be related to war directly, but I am sure that I am definitely not the normal kind of person that you see on the streets... not anymore. Every other time, while I sleep, I tend to hear (and even see) the "drums of war"... countless battles being endlessly wage upon between our kind against our enemies, and even ourselves. Sometimes all I see is dust and the people that I kill coming back from said dust, like the legendary fire birds, only to die again and be reborn to fight once more. I see myself and my other self, and all of those past other selves that know that we were all once the same person, yet all of them not the same body, all suddenly falling into the dust from whence we once came. "From ashes to ashes, from dust to dust." Never though that was going to be such an appropriate phrase to describe myself, let alone those that share our likeness... Maybe now I am so crazy that my insanity has developed into a state of "super-sanity". all that's left is but to put myself into a clown costume and call myself "The Juggler". So crazy, yet so insanely aware of one's self.
What numbers? Did I say something weird?
I suppose "Bobo" would be too cliche? How about Ronald?
Still... these "drums of war"... I usually think they are my heartbeat, as it stops and restarts so often. It is the first thing I feel after the relief of the pain. It stays with you as you move to a new clone you know. Sometimes I hear wind too, loudly, almost shattering my ear drums. Maybe it is some of my dust blowing away, slowly leaving me bit my bit and travelling into the distance to join with all the rest of the humanity I and countless others have lost.
Were I to walk the streets of any city I wonder what civvies would see. Would they see the countless deaths? The insane pain? Would they see me avoid passing cars as my hand twitches as though to throw something out of sheer reflex? The sound of flying engines would make me run for cover now before I even look to see what it is now I suppose. The battlefield feels so natural now... |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
555
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Posted - 2013.04.30 05:20:00 -
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I'm a little surprised I'm not crazy.
I haven't actually changed a whole lot, far as I can tell. Still enjoy rum, still like playing blackjack with the boys, even if my new looks freak 'em out some, and I still catch myself lookin' at storms through the station windows when I'm off duty.
Truth be told, I never really hurt a whole lot whenever I got cut down. I guess my body just goes into shock or something when I get hit, or maybe my CEO's got it good with a pharmacy and slips us extra-strong painkillers, I dunno. But I'll be honest... I hate wakin' up.
It feels like I'm someone else and the real me got left behind, pulled out somewhere between the dirt and the CRU. I don't like it. Don't like to think about how there's a thousand me's somewhere up in the stars, starin' down and accusin' me of theft. Feels like it isn't my body, feels like I stole it and don't know how to give it back.
Worse, sometimes, when I'm on my lonesome, lookin' out the station windows, my arms start shakin'. It's not shivers, I know that much. It's like I'm holding the Heavy Machine Gun on full auto, but it isn't there. Sometimes I'll just bounce once, like I'm taking a ride in one of the LAVs, but I'll still be standing there in front of the window. Happens sometimes when I go to sleep too, only then the sounds come through.
Worst though is that, sometimes, I'll just wake up in a fight. I'll just be in my apartment or on the station and then suddenly I'm breathing in cooled oxygen from my combat mask and standing over some dead bastard that had the bright idea to stand in front of my rifle. Don't even know what planet I'm on a lot of the time, just have to follow the TACNET data and hope I made the smart choice while I was out.
Sometimes I wake up in a CRU...
Nobody'll ever tell me what happens when I blank out. Act like if they tell me I'll blow up or somethin'.
I wish Medeen was still here. She might'a been Amarr, but she was one of the damn few good ones I ever met, treated me right even though she knew I was a Ruster. Knew just what to say when I started crackin' under pressure, she was good at dealing with this sh*t. Damn Heth got her and her squad. I'm gunna get that bastard someday. |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
63
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:20:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote: Were I to walk the streets of any city I wonder what civvies would see. I was walking on the streets of Caldari Prime after the cease-fire was called... I got run over by a civilian vehicle thirty minutes after having left the clone facilities in my regular clone body.
Lesson of that day: ...remember to look both ways and wait for the signal for you to cross the street....
Jotun Hiem wrote:I'm a little surprised I'm not crazy.
I haven't actually changed a whole lot, far as I can tell. Still enjoy rum, still like playing blackjack with the boys, even if my new looks freak 'em out some, and I still catch myself lookin' at storms through the station windows when I'm off duty.
Truth be told, I never really hurt a whole lot whenever I got cut down. I guess my body just goes into shock or something when I get hit, or maybe my CEO's got it good with a pharmacy and slips us extra-strong painkillers, I dunno. But I'll be honest... I hate wakin' up.
It feels like I'm someone else and the real me got left behind, pulled out somewhere between the dirt and the CRU. I don't like it. Don't like to think about how there's a thousand me's somewhere up in the stars, starin' down and accusin' me of theft. Feels like it isn't my body, feels like I stole it and don't know how to give it back.
Honestly, I have experienced this much myself, but I guess I am too rational to give it much of a musing thought. I do believe that these little changes, the ones that makes us think of ourselves in a highly existential manner, are what might hurt our lifestyles the most in the long term.
I have never visited my psychologist, I think I might have to do so to have a somewhat clearer psychoanalysis and to make sure that I may well be clinically capable of functioning in a non-combat environment...
I wonder what will they find if they check all of us. |
Etero Narciss
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
127
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:35:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:
I have never visited my psychologist, I think I might have to do so to have a somewhat clearer psychoanalysis and to make sure that I may well be clinically capable of functioning in a non-combat environment...
I wonder what will they find if they check all of us.
Depending on what part of the galaxy you live in, it might not even be necessary! |
steadyhand amarr
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
429
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:40:00 -
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Man u guys got easy me and rest of original second gen had to keep getting memory whipes and everytime sleep or that awful in between stage of life and death all I see is face staring at me. With epic pissed of look. Also I thought the whispers just came with living on a station? ? |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
327
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Posted - 2013.04.30 08:53:00 -
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BitClones |
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Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
73
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:16:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:
I wonder what will they find if they check all of us.
They'd probably find that they have to go and see a psychologist themselves or maybe even join us to come close to understanding. We can't talk to civvies about this, they have nothing to relate it to. It's like the butterfly trying to explain to a caterpillar what it feels like to fly. The only thing the butterfly can really tell the caterpillar is "You have to go through the darkness first."
It's just unfortunate that that our darkness never ends.
5..... ahem |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
64
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:51:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote:They'd probably find that they have to go and see a psychologist themselves or maybe even join us to come close to understanding. We can't talk to civvies about this, they have nothing to relate it to. It's like the butterfly trying to explain to a caterpillar what it feels like to fly. The only thing the butterfly can really tell the caterpillar is "You have to go through the darkness first."
It's just unfortunate that that our darkness never ends.
5..... ahem
Well, they are psychiatrists... they don't go crazy to be able to determine that someone has a psychological disorder. Following that logic, I am certain that they can come to an understanding of our psyche and thus be able to determine whether any disorders has a similar parallel to the relative mortal's. It's not as if there hasn't ever been clone soldiers living and dying for war or other things...
Capsuleers exist after all.... |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:58:00 -
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Kiso Okami wrote:
Capsuleers exist after all....
The living manifestation of mental illness.
And so shall we. |
Isawa Saata
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:33:00 -
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Speaking of PTSD, I have gone through a period of PTSD in the beginning when I joined the program, I have had occasional nightmares and hallucinations of figures jumping at you from dark corners killing me. I was very, very depressed for a few weeks because I couldn't get a moment of peace any more. I kept seeing things jumping at me and killing me, maybe stabbing me or something, and I would felt like I died even though I didn't, like when you feel that moment of... when your body tense up really badly, you know. But I didn't stop fighting because that was the only thing that would keep my mind busy, you know, because that feeling of dying wouldn't be so bad if you actually die, you know.
That was about half a year ago. Now I got used to dying and maybe because of that I stopped seeing things. But maybe it is just me, I am actually looking forward to the next time I get jumped, and maybe... getting killed again. You know that feeling you blink into a fresh new clone, that surge of energy and that feeling of pain and everything just goes away? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3738
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Posted - 2013.04.30 13:37:00 -
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I got lucky.
The injuries that lead me to get voulentold for the program wiped my previous memories. The training is still there but everything is still a blank. Only my call sign followed me and that name has become mine. |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
64
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Posted - 2013.04.30 17:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I got lucky.
The injuries that lead me to get voulentold for the program wiped my previous memories. The training is still there but everything is still a blank. Only my call sign followed me and that name has become mine.
War brought me into this world, I am going to make the war regret such. Hmm... you got brain damage...
Go figure... |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
94
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Posted - 2013.04.30 18:10:00 -
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I still have dreams of the Ammarian who killed me the first time. That look of utter contempt as the laser cut me in half at the hip, then pulling out his SMG to ensure I couldn't get back up. That is why I don't like Ammarians. |
Crazed Capitalist
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
6
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Posted - 2013.04.30 18:13:00 -
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Eh, problems with PTSD? Mental anguish from the repeated deaths you've experienced and witnessed? I have just the solution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uepFO4psgKE |
steadyhand amarr
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
437
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Posted - 2013.04.30 18:28:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:I still have dreams of the Ammarian who killed me the first time. That look of utter contempt as the laser cut me in half at the hip, then pulling out his SMG to ensure I couldn't get back up. That is why I don't like Ammarians.
it was nothing personal i assure you :P |
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