DUST Search - Dust alliances = ruin competion??

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Canari Elphus wrote:

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:

CCP are generally pretty good at falling short of the mark though so don't get your expectations up too high, there's very few Merc groups in EVE and it's much more viable there.

Im at least hoping they get something right merc wise for DUST and soon

Yes, considering BF4 is taking preorders right now.

lolbf. Prob be a good pub game on PS4 but competition wise lolbf

@ Dubbs i wont say Alliances ruin competition, i guess it depends on the alliance ur in interests and if leaders are more in it gudfites or BlueDonuts.

I try to stay as small and competitive as possible because tbh not shooting ppl in a fps = zzzzzzz
doesnt matter how many districts u can take if u got no one to shoot then whats the point? feel me?

I know but even just looking at EoN......consider your growth. EoN came in with a few corps but now you guys have picked up Crimewave, Ill Omens, Arrogance, Teamplayers, etc just to name a few. There aren't too many top corps left and the only alliances out are ROFL, EoN, and CRONOS.

CRONOS has locked down the EU region so I can't really see much competition going on during those times. During the US, corps have flocked to ROFL and EoN in numbers. There is noone left but the independents. And new corps coming in won't have the balls to go out there and start their own they will join the biggest or best one that they can. Which will only make the alliances larger and significantly cut the amount of corps they would have to worry about.

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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 15:26:00 - [1] - Quote Just want to know what you guys feel about it. Don't get me wrong...I like the idea of brotherhood and banding together. But I'm thinking that it may ruin competition in planetary conquest. In Eve, it may be necessary because there are just large scale battles and wars that are fought. But for our fps, Dust, battles are only waged at 16v16. Alliances will be beneficial for ambitious corps that would not be able to hold no more than a few districts because of their size. And it will help a small corp own some territory for themselves that would not otherwise be able to field 16 on their own. Since you can bring anyone into your battle with you, this game will be about who is the stronger alliance as opposed to it being about the corporations themselves. I mean, why use your own tanker or infantry assault when there is another stronger in the alliance that will help secure your victory? RIght now, there are some independent players in the game but there are maybe 3 large Dust alliances in the game and I can only see their numbers swell. If Dust's playerbase was much larger, it may not be an issue but when there are only 3 of them out there....the variety of battles will be minimal. Sure, Teamplayers can attack Tritan....and LOTIS can attack Red Star...but what's the point when Teamplayers can get GIANT and Red Star can get SyN. AND LOTIS can get Pro Hic and Tritan can use KEQ, etc. It will just be an alliance battle as opposed to a corp battle. You are going to use the guys that will get the job done for you. If corporations of CRONOS decides to attack a corporation of EoN, then I'm guessing that they may pool their best to do so instead of one corporation vs another. So, in other words.....what I am seeing here is if there are 20 corps and 10 of them belong to only 2 different alliances, then the number of possible battles will be a group of 10 corps vs another group of 10 corps. As opposed to the potential of one corporation vs any of the remainder 19 corporations. So, playing devil's advocate.....wouldn't it better to not permit a member to be deployed into a corp match of a corporation, in which he does not belong to? And to just allow each corporation to conquer and defend their own territories.
Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2013.04.27 15:31:00 - [2] - Quote it doesn't matter who they throw against the imperfects they'll still get smashed.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 124	Posted - 2013.04.27 15:37:00 - [3] - Quote Short answer no. It the only mechanism to even think about playing as a true merc. If your corp can only hold one district then it can only hold one district. For better or worse thats the game. CCP incentivized the game to create blue donuts and the changes only made it more so. Until corps can fully merc using a contract feature small corps will simply just have to eat crow. Or be so unbelievably godly that they will be universally stomping anything that is set in their path but there arent any corps out there like that
Sylwester Dziewiecki BetaMax. CRONOS. 47	Posted - 2013.04.27 15:43:00 - [4] - Quote That's just a beginning, we will have larger amount of Dust alliance and Mercenaries when game actually launch. From technical point of view, in New Eden players without roles can switch they corp's whenever they want - so any mechanic changes that subject of is to force corp mattes only participate in they own corp events is not "OK". Beside, you can always implement that darkness to Dust, send spy web across the world and create new alliances on dust(verbatim) and ashes of previous ones - everything is up to you in New Eden :).
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 926	Posted - 2013.04.27 15:53:00 - [5] - Quote It won't be 16v16 for long. John Lander the EVE Dev said this weekend his biggest problem with Dust is that it's too restricted currently and too fair but it will change in time. If one Alliance get's the majority of districts in Molden Heath (My money's on ROFL/Cronos) CCP will open up other areas so people are not left out.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 15:55:00 - [6] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Short answer no. It the only mechanism to even think about playing as a true merc. If your corp can only hold one district then it can only hold one district. For better or worse thats the game. CCP incentivized the game to create blue donuts and the changes only made it more so. Until corps can fully merc using a contract feature small corps will simply just have to eat crow. Or be so unbelievably godly that they will be universally stomping anything that is set in their path but there arent any corps out there like that That's what I was sort of thinking. If we are true mercs, then we should be operating as independent units. But as long as alliances exist, one may have to adapt..depending on their ambitions
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:00:00 - [7] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Short answer no. It the only mechanism to even think about playing as a true merc. If your corp can only hold one district then it can only hold one district. For better or worse thats the game. CCP incentivized the game to create blue donuts and the changes only made it more so. Until corps can fully merc using a contract feature small corps will simply just have to eat crow. Or be so unbelievably godly that they will be universally stomping anything that is set in their path but there arent any corps out there like that That's what I was sort of thinking. If we are true mercs, then we should be operating as independent units. But as long as alliances exist, one may have to adapt..depending on their ambitions Yea believe me we hammer CCP quite a bit about how a game about mercs gives no true way to actually merc. SoonGäó cant come Soon enough on that one. Once it happens it will really shake up PC.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 926	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:09:00 - [8] - Quote CCP are generally pretty good at falling short of the mark though so don't get your expectations up too high, there's very few Merc groups in EVE and it's much more viable there.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:20:00 - [9] - Quote Dubbs, just do what is right and join us. ROFL has cookies n strippers for ya
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2911	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:24:00 - [10] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: CCP are generally pretty good at falling short of the mark though so don't get your expectations up too high, there's very few Merc groups in EVE and it's much more viable there. Im at least hoping they get something right merc wise for DUST and soon

Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:26:00 - [11] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: CCP are generally pretty good at falling short of the mark though so don't get your expectations up too high, there's very few Merc groups in EVE and it's much more viable there. Im at least hoping they get something right merc wise for DUST and soon Yes, considering BF4 is taking preorders right now.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:37:00 - [12] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: CCP are generally pretty good at falling short of the mark though so don't get your expectations up too high, there's very few Merc groups in EVE and it's much more viable there. Im at least hoping they get something right merc wise for DUST and soon Yes, considering BF4 is taking preorders right now. Yea but see thats the thing. PC is never going to be a 24/7 experience anyway, currently with the timers and lag time to battle PC is more like prescheduled fighting. Its going to open up players to come in play PC and either leave to play other stuff for the day or play FW. It all depends on how much fun the game is to play.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:41:00 - [13] - Quote deleted
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2911	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:41:00 - [14] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: CCP are generally pretty good at falling short of the mark though so don't get your expectations up too high, there's very few Merc groups in EVE and it's much more viable there. Im at least hoping they get something right merc wise for DUST and soon Yes, considering BF4 is taking preorders right now. lolbf. Prob be a good pub game on PS4 but competition wise lolbf @ Dubbs i wont say Alliances ruin competition, i guess it depends on the alliance ur in interests and if leaders are more in it gudfites or BlueDonuts. I try to stay as small and competitive as possible because tbh not shooting ppl in a fps = zzzzzzz doesnt matter how many districts u can take if u got no one to shoot then whats the point? feel me?
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:51:00 - [15] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: CCP are generally pretty good at falling short of the mark though so don't get your expectations up too high, there's very few Merc groups in EVE and it's much more viable there. Im at least hoping they get something right merc wise for DUST and soon Yes, considering BF4 is taking preorders right now. lolbf. Prob be a good pub game on PS4 but competition wise lolbf @ Dubbs i wont say Alliances ruin competition, i guess it depends on the alliance ur in interests and if leaders are more in it gudfites or BlueDonuts. I try to stay as small and competitive as possible because tbh not shooting ppl in a fps = zzzzzzz doesnt matter how many districts u can take if u got no one to shoot then whats the point? feel me? I know but even just looking at EoN......consider your growth. EoN came in with a few corps but now you guys have picked up Crimewave, Ill Omens, Arrogance, Teamplayers, etc just to name a few. There aren't too many top corps left and the only alliances out are ROFL, EoN, and CRONOS. CRONOS has locked down the EU region so I can't really see much competition going on during those times. During the US, corps have flocked to ROFL and EoN in numbers. There is noone left but the independents. And new corps coming in won't have the balls to go out there and start their own they will join the biggest or best one that they can. Which will only make the alliances larger and significantly cut the amount of corps they would have to worry about.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 297	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:00:00 - [16] - Quote Ive thought about being a merc and i still do but the problem i ran into is that i can get ****** over very badly and ther is nothing i can really do On my own im kinda screwed because no contract system Now a corp going merc is easier, espc if they also have EVE players so ISK can be paid and an agreement formed, problem is if they are part of an alliance because they would only be a merc corp which wouldnt interfere with the alliance/other alliance corps goals and ambitions A true merc corp wouldnt be in an alliance unless it was a merc alliance and anything goes so 2 corps in the merc alliance might get hired by 2 sides and actually come face to face on the battlefield and have to go all out but either way they get paid, sure maybe they could swing the whole match for one side but if it happened then the merc alliance could fall and thus the merc corps maybe deemed as unreliable With the current alliances we have now sure corps you pick up other members to fill in gaps or even get another corp to show up from the alliance, problem is if that other corp cannot do stuff themselves then they are a weak link and maybe best to get shut, essentially each corp will have to be able to stand on ther own feet while being able to support each other if the need arises Corps may fall and be split up and put into other corps in the alliances if they are useless on ther own, or just given the boot PC will show who are the weaklinks in each alliance, but generally if the alliance is happy to hold up a corp in PC then ther is nothing you can do about it tbh
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:04:00 - [17] - Quote Nummies, not saying that BF will be a better game but it will be a competition for new players. Also, take into account the amount of on-n-done players DUST gets due to the steep learning curve and throwing newberries to the wolves right out of the gate.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 17	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:09:00 - [18] - Quote alliances make it real.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:13:00 - [19] - Quote low genius wrote: alliances make it real. what do you mean?
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 108	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:25:00 - [20] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: It won't be 16v16 for long. John Lander the EVE Dev said this weekend his biggest problem with Dust is that it's too restricted currently and too fair but it will change in time. If one Alliance get's the majority of districts in Molden Heath (My money's on ROFL/Cronos) CCP will open up other areas so people are not left out. It better not be. 32 is too small. there are bigger alliances than rofl and kronos. dont protect them by allowing them to spam battles bcuz they only need 16 to fill a match.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:33:00 - [21] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: It won't be 16v16 for long. John Lander the EVE Dev said this weekend his biggest problem with Dust is that it's too restricted currently and too fair but it will change in time. If one Alliance get's the majority of districts in Molden Heath (My money's on ROFL/Cronos) CCP will open up other areas so people are not left out. It better not be. 32 is too small. there are bigger alliances than rofl and kronos. dont protect them by allowing them to spam battles bcuz they only need 16 to fill a match. Bigger alliances in Dust? Or, are you talking Eve numbers? But numbers won't matter....even if they bring it up to 32v32 battles, alliances will be able to pull from whoever they need to to fill the spot. Individual corporations may have some issues but not alliances.
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:35:00 - [22] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: low genius wrote: alliances make it real. what do you mean? werent u in the lolEV and lolzion? If u did a better job of picking alliances, you would still be in one.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2914	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:45:00 - [23] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: CCP are generally pretty good at falling short of the mark though so don't get your expectations up too high, there's very few Merc groups in EVE and it's much more viable there. Im at least hoping they get something right merc wise for DUST and soon Yes, considering BF4 is taking preorders right now. lolbf. Prob be a good pub game on PS4 but competition wise lolbf @ Dubbs i wont say Alliances ruin competition, i guess it depends on the alliance ur in interests and if leaders are more in it gudfites or BlueDonuts. I try to stay as small and competitive as possible because tbh not shooting ppl in a fps = zzzzzzz doesnt matter how many districts u can take if u got no one to shoot then whats the point? feel me? I know but even just looking at EoN......consider your growth. EoN came in with a few corps but now you guys have picked up Crimewave, Ill Omens, Arrogance, Teamplayers, etc just to name a few. There aren't too many top corps left and the only alliances out are ROFL, EoN, and CRONOS. CRONOS has locked down the EU region so I can't really see much competition going on during those times. During the US, corps have flocked to ROFL and EoN in numbers. There is noone left but the independents. And new corps coming in won't have the balls to go out there and start their own they will join the biggest or best one that they can. Which will only make the alliances larger and significantly cut the amount of corps they would have to worry about. u dont know alliances too well if u only think there are ROFL , EoN and CRONOS EUTZ ur right CRONOS has it locked, USTZ has alot more competition Concerning our growth we actually are by far the smallest alliance out of all the others. Competition wise u have the 16 or so corps in ROFL + the 10 in CRONOS + Orion Empire (3K+ members) + Covert Intervention + alot of other grps like Zion and STB in Unclaimed, Subdreddit and PRO if they are still together. When u break down the # of corps in each alliance the competition is actually there ur just looking at it as big grps and not looking at all the corps involved in each grp. As far as EoN. goes im very particular on who i pickup i have a very good eye for talent and seeing potential in ppl and everyone shares the same view that we WANT fights so we wont ever get to a size that eliminates the majority of competition nor are we into making BlueDonut deals with the other big grps just to hold some loldistricts.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 102	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:48:00 - [24] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: That's what I was sort of thinking. If we are true mercs, then we should be operating as independent units. But as long as alliances exist, one may have to adapt..depending on their ambitions I-¦m a guy with a lot of money. I need a job done. On one side, i have a handful of agents that i heard are quite good and gets the job done. On the other side, i have a full alliance of agents that i don-¦t know individually, but have done a lot of jobs, and have a high % of contract completion. Who do you think i-¦ll give my money to?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 1275	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:48:00 - [25] - Quote All this talk about alliances and you all missed an important one, here's a hint cough negative feedbackcough
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 126	Posted - 2013.04.27 17:54:00 - [26] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: u dont know alliances too well if u only think there are ROFL , EoN and CRONOS EUTZ ur right CRONOS has it locked, USTZ has alot more competition Concerning our growth we actually are by far the smallest alliance out of all the others. Competition wise u have the 16 or so corps in ROFL + the 10 in CRONOS + Orion Empire (3K+ members) + Covert Intervention + alot of other grps like Zion and STB in Unclaimed, Subdreddit and PRO if they are still together. When u break down the # of corps in each alliance the competition is actually there ur just looking at it as big grps and not looking at all the corps involved in each grp. As far as EoN. goes im very particular on who i pickup i have a very good eye for talent and seeing potential in ppl and everyone shares the same view that we WANT fights so we wont ever get to a size that eliminates the majority of competition nor are we into making BlueDonut deals with the other big grps just to hold some loldistricts. ROFL has a large player alliance that can actually create coverage around the globe, ppl make the mistake of thinking they are only a US based alliance. Thats their majority but certainly not their only coverage. That said i wouldnt be too quick to count the CRONOS alliance as a solid lock forever. Sure they will start off blue but in the end their timers are still subject to attack, ppl forget the US expand 4 major timezones and its west coast can very easily cover UK primetime. Add to that im sure there are smart and unforeseen entities pulling EU talent into non CRONOS alliances as well as forces that undermine from both within and without.. whistles innocently as he leaves the post on that note
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 20:11:00 - [27] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: low genius wrote: alliances make it real. what do you mean? werent u in the lolEV and lolzion? If u did a better job of picking alliances, you would still be in one. If you knew anything instead of pretending to be aware then you would have known, that the only alliance that I was in was Legacy Rising. Although none of it is relevant to the point of the thread.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 297	Posted - 2013.04.27 20:13:00 - [28] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Prius Vecht wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: low genius wrote: alliances make it real. what do you mean? werent u in the lolEV and lolzion? If u did a better job of picking alliances, you would still be in one. If you knew anything instead of pretending to be aware then you would have known, that the only alliance that I was in was Legacy Rising. Although none of it is relevant to the point of the thread. BS dubbs and you know it You were basically all setup for the EV
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 20:18:00 - [29] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: u dont know alliances too well if u only think there are ROFL , EoN and CRONOS EUTZ ur right CRONOS has it locked, USTZ has alot more competition Concerning our growth we actually are by far the smallest alliance out of all the others. Competition wise u have the 16 or so corps in ROFL + the 10 in CRONOS + Orion Empire (3K+ members) + Covert Intervention + alot of other grps like Zion and STB in Unclaimed, Subdreddit and PRO if they are still together. When u break down the # of corps in each alliance the competition is actually there ur just looking at it as big grps and not looking at all the corps involved in each grp. As far as EoN. goes im very particular on who i pickup i have a very good eye for talent and seeing potential in ppl and everyone shares the same view that we WANT fights so we wont ever get to a size that eliminates the majority of competition nor are we into making BlueDonut deals with the other big grps just to hold some loldistricts. Ok...so inform me then because I must be in the dark. There are other alliances in the game but many of them are primarily Eve alliances. What other Dust alliances besides EoN, CRONOS, and ROFL are out there? Imps have their own, PFBHz have joined with a merc alliance in Eve but have no dust corps with them, Subdreddit is with TEST..another eve alliance. Zion recently joined STB in Unclaimed so now they have two dust corps in that alliance. But aside from the three that I've mentioned, mostly everyone else is independent or have joined an Eve alliance and is the only Dust corp in their respective alliances. So, what am I missing? I am not referring to number of Eve members as far as alliance numbers are concerned. I'm talking about number of Dust corps.
Jaiden Longshot Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 280	Posted - 2013.04.27 20:25:00 - [30] - Quote Dubs, Alliances and blues change often. At the outset it's easy to see new alliances and blues forming based on proximity alone. While we will be in a Thunderdome environment initially, it won't be that way for long. If you can maintain corp activity through initial PC, FW, pubs, etc. then you should be able to find a place in the universe that fits your corp and that doesn't necessarily have to be on May 6th. Just my .02 ISK



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