DUST Search - Dust 514 should remain a console exclusive

Buster Friently wrote:

2100 Angels wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

CCP wants to make money, therefore releasing Dust to the widest possible audience is desirable. .

False. Actually, one of the leading principles of running a business/marketing campaign is "don't try to cater to everyone", or avoid the "jack of all trades, master of none" mentality. Focusing on the PS3 was a very sound marketing decision.

While this is a correct principle, you've interpreted it incorrectly. This idea means don't try to make a product that appeals to all possibilities. In dust land this would mean adding in a bunch of unrelated play styles like an art studio or cooking as examples. Releasing your focused fps to the widest possible audience is exactly the right move, and this includes pc players. Xbox players too for that matter.

The idea that somehow CCP ought to be "loyal" to the PS3,or to Sony beyond any contract agreement is foolish and childish.

Dust will stay a console exclusive just as long as the money holds out, or until the contracts expire. Whichever lasts longer. So, if you want Dust to stay PS3 only, you better get to buying aurum.


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Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 759	Posted - 2013.04.26 23:44:00 - [1] - Quote A matter of principle We may never know exactly why CCP took that first step down the treacherous path that leads to console gamed. They could have simply created Dust 514 as another EVE Online expansion. What madness possessed the great dreamer on that day long ago? We may never know what dark particles of inspiration burned their way through that dreamer's cortex at the exact moment of perhaps distracted contemplation when he or she looked down from the heavens toward the orbs that littered the spaces between the stars like so many motes and exclaimed, "Ah ha! a freaking console game! Brilliant!" But CCP set out to create a console game and this they have not done. Migrating Dust 514 to PC in any way shape or form before the game has proven itself a success on PS 3 would be to admit defeat. CCP would essentially be giving up. They would be saying that they could not accomplish the simple feat of creating a successful game on console. Game over. As far as I can tell one of the driving principles behind CCP both in and out of games that they create is, "Do not give up in the face of adversity. Get back in another space ship. Go out and kill the bastards that stole your ISK." Its not the platform, its the players Verisimilitude. It takes a certain kind of player to pick up a PS 3 and play Dust 514. There is some overlap console gamers and PC gamers and there are those who just consider themselves t be gamers full stop; there exists a set of players who will play both EVE Online on their PCs and DUST 514 on these PS3s. But if New Eden is real, and we are meant to mirror that reality as players, it is only fitting and right that our choices as players reflect back into that world and define the characters we chose to play in some small way, at the very least. Should we allow just anyone to dig around in the DUST with their PC shovels, just because they assume they have that privilege and deserve to be granted access to that same dust without even so much as asking if they can, perhaps join us? No. Why should we hand over the one thing that makes us unique in this cluster? Dust is ours now, and it should always remain in our hands. Allowing the capsuleers to poke their PC shovels into our game will not turn dust into diamonds. No, the grit and turmoil of the hunks of rock at the bottom of the gravity wells of New Eden are ours, to do with as we see fit, and though the world may not look as shiny and pimped out as the inside of a goo filled space egg, and though the mucus that we blow from our immortal noses at the end of a day of dying may show grey, dirty, brown and sabulous compared to the space snot the old lords of New Eden purportedly sneeze into golden handkerchiefs, we are bright, and hard, and full of a resolve they can never know. So keep your dainty hands off of our game, eggers. If you want to get dirty, you know where to find us. But you will have to fight on our turf. And this is how it should always be.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 762	Posted - 2013.04.27 00:37:00 - [2] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Who said Dust 514 will and is happening soon getting ported to PC... Computer, Dust is and will stay a ps3 exclusive... People say PC as in Planetary conquest in uprising build Don't make me do this. Ok, you win. I'll do this. Ok, for starters, take a gander at that feeble agitprop of a so called former blog now AOL butt baby: "While many are probably hoping for word of a PC release, I'd be very surprised to see CCP actually do it." http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/04/25/what-to-expect-from-eve-fanfest-2013-today-dust-514-keynote-and/ Even a high-school level aspiring reporter should know that reference to the so called "many" is one of the hallmarks of abysmal tabloid journalism and brings absolutely nothing of worth to anything that wants to be considered newsworthy. Referring to the "many" is at best just sloppy and lazy and at worst is only used to push an agenda. Just the latest example. Look, that sort of line is usually used to tease something like, "While many are waiting to hear about the latest fanfest revelations detailing the Mittani's ties to a secret society of naturalist brony unicorn fairies, I'd be very surprised if my source was ready to divulge anything fuhrer."
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 763	Posted - 2013.04.27 02:30:00 - [3] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Geth has it right. The vast majority of comments that include PC means Planetary Conquest. ... That post and the line above were a couple of the most willfully ignorant, pathetic, and condescending replies to an OP I have seen on these forums. Way to purposefully misunderstand the entire gist of my manifesto. Next you will try say, "There there, the vast majority of comments that include OP means Over Powered." GFYYOICP I wonder what that meansGÇª Please, oh wise one, dispel my confusion.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 763	Posted - 2013.04.27 03:33:00 - [4] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: To the OP. I don't think you know how a business works. CCP wants to make money, therefore releasing Dust to the widest possible audience is desirable. PC users are a members of this wider audience, therefore it makes sense to release to the PC as soon as they are out of their Sony exclusive. Businesses aren't built on "matters of principle" they're built on profits. Ah, ok. CCP should become EA, Activision, and Bethesda because business. Got it.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 776	Posted - 2013.04.29 18:12:00 - [5] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Buster Friently wrote: CCP wants to make money, therefore releasing Dust to the widest possible audience is desirable. . False. Actually, one of the leading principles of running a business/marketing campaign is "don't try to cater to everyone", or avoid the "jack of all trades, master of none" mentality. Focusing on the PS3 was a very sound marketing decision. While this is a correct principle, you've interpreted it incorrectly. This idea means don't try to make a product that appeals to all possibilities. In dust land this would mean adding in a bunch of unrelated play styles like an art studio or cooking as examples. Releasing your focused fps to the widest possible audience is exactly the right move, and this includes pc players. Xbox players too for that matter. The idea that somehow CCP ought to be "loyal" to the PS3,or to Sony beyond any contract agreement is foolish and childish. Dust will stay a console exclusive just as long as the money holds out, or until the contracts expire. Whichever lasts longer. So, if you want Dust to stay PS3 only, you better get to buying aurum. The wider the audience, the more platforms you push the game onto, the less focused and more fragmented the experience becomes. Dust 514 seems to be designed with that in mind. Instead of fragmenting and diluting the EVE experience it channels it (or reveals it) along a specific and limited vector (or from a new and distinct vantage point) hopefully adding more people to the fold in the really elegant and contained manor (or, as CCP put it, revealing another facet of the Universe) without disturbing or obscuring what is already there. I had been thinking about writing up some of the best counter arguments to my manifesto that I can think of, since they haven't yet appeared in this thread and are worth considering. Ultimately I think you missed the whole thrust of what I was trying to say. The only entity CCP should be "loyal" to is CCP. However, back to the whole business thing: reaching a wider audience might allow you to make more money, selling to more customers. It doesn't necessarily mean that you can continue to offer the best possible product. It does not mean that you can sustain your expansion. More and bigger is not always better. Sometimes small is beautiful. People will sometimes resent "sell outs" and Dust has seen an undo amount of criticism because of that. What I object to are those that do not seem to care if Dust 514 is "good" or "bad" in its own right, but only deem it bad because they can' have it, or are unwilling to take any steps to obtain it. And therefor seem to be saying that it is only going to be a good thing if it belongs to them.