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Rage Engine
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:17:00 -
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Day one of 3X SP week and people are taking serious advantage of the situation. The SP system is flawed we all know that, however active SP is for excellence on the battlefield... So the loading tip says. Yet yesterday I played quite a few games and saw at least 3 people every game sitting in the MCC (6 in one game). In the future I prepose a AFK reporting system or if no WP are acquired then now SP rewarded or something to make people play even if they do terrible in the game. It is not fair to reward 1 mill SP this week to AFK players or any week for that matter.
I'm against rating people out but I am all for fairness and for those of you that get SP off the players that are throwing away ISK to fight in a outnumbered battle I hope you get served. I am going to post the names of players I see AFK in the base or the MCC below and hope others fallow suit so CCP may be able to dodo thing about this. Maybe deduct 1mill SP once this week is done.
From my experience CCP takes great pride in fairness and balance and I will be surprised if nothing is done about this. |
Rage Engine
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:17:00 -
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Little fluffy bunny AFK in MCC |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:18:00 -
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I can't :( |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:22:00 -
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I was in a match with 9 afk people on my team yesterday |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:31:00 -
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Game design people, game design.
What-¦s the reward for the players with low skills? The ones that can-¦t shoot properly, that are slower or learning?
If the game only rewards people that "do" things in battle, there will be a lot of player that are not 1337 , dont do headshots, and not only will play and spend their time without any type of growth, but they-¦ll be stomped by the ones that have SP and skills.
It-¦s the perfect formula to make a lot of regular people quit, and leave the server with very few people, that will then complain about the lack of players, and that the game is boring.
The guy that shoot and get points for it is important, but so is the guy that scans the terrain and give targets to the shooter (getting no points for t), so is the guy that flies the dropship to help people get the targets (and get no point for it).
Getting rewards without doing anything is bad, but not getting rewards when doing things is way, way worse. Bad skilled people wpn-¦t play the game if they can-¦t get rewarded even after doing several things. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
273
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:32:00 -
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What you expect?
I can play EVE while listening to fanfest and half assed playing DUST |
Stexn byd
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:38:00 -
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seriously though, it's always a problem, and it sucks the fun outta the game, nobody wants to try and enjoy a match with friends and be stuck 4vs16 because half the team are in the MCC afking and a quarter aren't able to keep up. If CCP cares for their players, they should ban anyone AFK ing f to farm sp from using their current profiles ever again. just wipe them. You don't HTFU by afking, you destroy the social aspect that's key to the MMO. It's like expecting a payday when you didn't bother finishing a job, and getting it. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1366
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:43:00 -
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Rage Engine wrote:Little fluffy bunny AFK in MCC
name and shame will get you lock/ban. please read forums rules |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1366
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:45:00 -
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Rage Engine wrote:Day one of 3X SP week and people are taking serious advantage of the situation. The SP system is flawed we all know that, however active SP is for excellence on the battlefield... So the loading tip says. Yet yesterday I played quite a few games and saw at least 3 people every game sitting in the MCC (6 in one game). In the future I prepose a AFK reporting system or if no WP are acquired then now SP rewarded or something to make people play even if they do terrible in the game. It is not fair to reward 1 mill SP this week to AFK players or any week for that matter.
I'm against rating people out but I am all for fairness and for those of you that get SP off the players that are throwing away ISK to fight in a outnumbered battle I hope you get served. I am going to post the names of players I see AFK in the base or the MCC below and hope others fallow suit so CCP may be able to dodo thing about this. Maybe deduct 1mill SP once this week is done.
From my experience CCP takes great pride in fairness and balance and I will be surprised if nothing is done about this.
CCP doesn't care about balance for fairness. What ever gave you that idea?
PS i am afking in mcc while listening to fanfest |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:47:00 -
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Stexn byd wrote: seriously though, it's always a problem, and it sucks the fun outta the game, nobody wants to try and enjoy a match with friends and be stuck 4vs16 because half the team are in the MCC afking and a quarter aren't able to keep up. If CCP cares for their players, they should ban anyone AFK ing f to farm sp from using their current profiles ever again. just wipe them. You don't HTFU by afking, you destroy the social aspect that's key to the MMO. It's like expecting a payday when you didn't bother finishing a job, and getting it.
The clearly you-¦re on the wrong match for your caliber / size.
Afking reinforces the social aspect precisely by the hatred that people have on it. People will start to group up, get a perma squad, two, will join a corp, will do corp battle with meaning. Public matches are a quickie for those that don-¦t have a group formed up, or just want to relax.
Serious business is with the corp battles, and those won-¦t tolerate AFK people in their social network.
And again, not rewarding people after they played a match, will only drive players away from the game. |
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IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
494
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:49:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Rage Engine wrote:Day one of 3X SP week and people are taking serious advantage of the situation. The SP system is flawed we all know that, however active SP is for excellence on the battlefield... So the loading tip says. Yet yesterday I played quite a few games and saw at least 3 people every game sitting in the MCC (6 in one game). In the future I prepose a AFK reporting system or if no WP are acquired then now SP rewarded or something to make people play even if they do terrible in the game. It is not fair to reward 1 mill SP this week to AFK players or any week for that matter.
I'm against rating people out but I am all for fairness and for those of you that get SP off the players that are throwing away ISK to fight in a outnumbered battle I hope you get served. I am going to post the names of players I see AFK in the base or the MCC below and hope others fallow suit so CCP may be able to dodo thing about this. Maybe deduct 1mill SP once this week is done.
From my experience CCP takes great pride in fairness and balance and I will be surprised if nothing is done about this. CCP doesn't care about balance for fairness. What ever gave you that idea? PS i am afking in mcc while listening to fanfest
flamebait |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
28
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:51:00 -
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You don't have to be blue to AFK. Reds probably have an MCC full of chickenshlitz too.
Or, if you can't tolerate a loss (that isn't statistically tracked efficiently and is prone to reset anyways) then just leave the battle.
It's like everybody is getting paid overtime after they've put in 2 weeks notice. There will be epic screwing off. Just accept the rewards and play the game.
And you suck - for making me defend the future **** moppers of the world. |
Stexn byd
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
5
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:57:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Stexn byd wrote: seriously though, it's always a problem, and it sucks the fun outta the game, nobody wants to try and enjoy a match with friends and be stuck 4vs16 because half the team are in the MCC afking and a quarter aren't able to keep up. If CCP cares for their players, they should ban anyone AFK ing f to farm sp from using their current profiles ever again. just wipe them. You don't HTFU by afking, you destroy the social aspect that's key to the MMO. It's like expecting a payday when you didn't bother finishing a job, and getting it. The clearly you-¦re on the wrong match for your caliber / size. Afking reinforces the social aspect precisely by the hatred that people have on it. People will start to group up, get a perma squad, two, will join a corp, will do corp battle with meaning. Public matches are a quickie for those that don-¦t have a group formed up, or just want to relax. Serious business is with the corp battles, and those won-¦t tolerate AFK people in their social network. And again, not rewarding people after they played a match, will only drive players away from the game. so.... sp isn't a reward it's just there, they aren't exploiting a system designed for players to grow through action they're playing their own way, and a social aspect means small group of like minded similar people who feel hatred toward others who aren't just like them? do you know what an invalid argument is? a logical fallacy? your response is the perfect example of both. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star. EoN.
1083
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Posted - 2013.04.25 14:59:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What you expect?
I can play EVE while listening to fanfest and half assed playing DUST
You have an Eve toon!!! Lets pew pew in space man!!! I got 600K SP Y/D on Dust! |
Stexn byd
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
5
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:01:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:You don't have to be blue to AFK. Reds probably have an MCC full of chickenshlitz too.
Or, if you can't tolerate a loss (that isn't statistically tracked efficiently and is prone to reset anyways) then just leave the battle.
It's like everybody is getting paid overtime after they've put in 2 weeks notice. There will be epic screwing off. Just accept the rewards and play the game.
And you suck - for making me defend the future **** moppers of the world. perhaps your right, and both teams have only half teams, I just forgot how to count I guess... -_- |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD
1002
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:03:00 -
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watching fanfest while taking advantage of CCP game mechanics. Untill they say it's not ok it's ok and people will keep doing it. CCP needs to redesign the whole thing |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:04:00 -
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Stexn byd wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Stexn byd wrote: seriously though, it's always a problem, and it sucks the fun outta the game, nobody wants to try and enjoy a match with friends and be stuck 4vs16 because half the team are in the MCC afking and a quarter aren't able to keep up. If CCP cares for their players, they should ban anyone AFK ing f to farm sp from using their current profiles ever again. just wipe them. You don't HTFU by afking, you destroy the social aspect that's key to the MMO. It's like expecting a payday when you didn't bother finishing a job, and getting it. The clearly you-¦re on the wrong match for your caliber / size. Afking reinforces the social aspect precisely by the hatred that people have on it. People will start to group up, get a perma squad, two, will join a corp, will do corp battle with meaning. Public matches are a quickie for those that don-¦t have a group formed up, or just want to relax. Serious business is with the corp battles, and those won-¦t tolerate AFK people in their social network. And again, not rewarding people after they played a match, will only drive players away from the game. so.... sp isn't a reward it's just there, they aren't exploiting a system designed for players to grow through action they're playing their own way, and a social aspect means small group of like minded similar people who feel hatred toward others who aren't just like them? do you know what an invalid argument is? a logical fallacy? your response is the perfect example of both.
When people talk about the AFK issue, they usually go with "Only give SP to those that do things"
Then, there-¦s the issue of "What things are counted as SP worth"
There-¦s a lot of activities ingame that help the group, help win the match, but are not rewarded or glorified as a kill. That don-¦t give SP.
Piloting a dropship is one of them.
How do you solve this issue, of the ones that participate and yet recieve no rewards (SP and such) , with the proposed AFK handling, since they fall under the same "category" (People in a match not doing things worth of points)
And if you-¦re going for logical fallacy, the best is to make reference of which one. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
275
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:14:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What you expect?
I can play EVE while listening to fanfest and half assed playing DUST You have an Eve toon!!! Lets pew pew in space man!!! I got 600K SP Y/D on Dust !
Im grinding my sec status back up
FW totally tanked the **** out of it |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
270
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:18:00 -
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I do not believe that CCP will fix afk SP farming until they fix hit detection. Like I have said before, there are plenty of people who buy active and passive boosters so they can farm SP now, and play the game when it is better later. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:21:00 -
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Obviously CCP need to add more rewards for tasks done during battle. Cant think of how to properly measure the Dropship one atm though when the mCRU comes back and they are installed that is one way.
They can also give out SP for sighting infantry/ vehicles - (an unseen player who is sighted and then killed in the following number of secs). Also maybe painting targets (if that is introduced) for strikes. These are things that could make scouts more appealing and rewarding.
I think once SP rewards are thoroughly fleshed out then time based SP can/will be dialed back a little to steer players into participation. |
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Rage Engine
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:25:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Game design people, game design.
What-¦s the reward for the players with low skills? The ones that can-¦t shoot properly, that are slower or learning?
If the game only rewards people that "do" things in battle, there will be a lot of player that are not 1337 , dont do headshots, and not only will play and spend their time without any type of growth, but they-¦ll be stomped by the ones that have SP and skills.
It-¦s the perfect formula to make a lot of regular people quit, and leave the server with very few people, that will then complain about the lack of players, and that the game is boring.
The guy that shoot and get points for it is important, but so is the guy that scans the terrain and give targets to the shooter (getting no points for t), so is the guy that flies the dropship to help people get the targets (and get no point for it).
Getting rewards without doing anything is bad, but not getting rewards when doing things is way, way worse. Bad skilled people wpn-¦t play the game if they can-¦t get rewarded even after doing several things.
Ok then reword people for leaving the red zone.
Someone said something about different play styles, well not playing is not a play style. |
Rage Engine
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.25 15:46:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Rage Engine wrote:Little fluffy bunny AFK in MCC name and shame will get you lock/ban. please read forums rules
Name and shame.... One thing to be a forum rule, sry for breaking it, I fixed that. But when I did calling someone out become shameful? |
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