DUST Search - To people complaining about tanks being OP

ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

So the enemy got 3-4 tanks out, some shield some armor but all of them annoying.
They were pretty high end, and my team had trouble taking them out.
I brought an Advanced Swarm launcher, + 3x complex damage mods, found a nice spot where I have good view of the map and the tanks can't get me, and I just took shots at them.
They were pinned down and all focused on me, because if they tried to touch my team mates they would be under fire by me.
So I shot them, again, and again, and again, and I killed 1, and pinned down the other 3.
Sure, I didn't get much WP and didn't get kills, but thanks to my distraction my team won.

So lesson of the day:
Get a powerful AV guy and annoy the tanks, even if they're not dying they will be in deep ****.

I honestly hate to say this, but all AV players should start taking notes from the OP

AVing is not about chasing vehicles and sacrificing your body endlessly. Its about containing vehicles and limiting their movement. OP demonstrated a very effective use of his role, and just by his description alone , I would have no problem putting him on a A-Team for the AV role.

Good to see some people actually know a thing or two on these forums

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Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 594	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:35:00 - [1] - Quote So the enemy got 3-4 tanks out, some shield some armor but all of them annoying. They were pretty high end, and my team had trouble taking them out. I brought an Advanced Swarm launcher, + 3x complex damage mods, found a nice spot where I have good view of the map and the tanks can't get me, and I just took shots at them. They were pinned down and all focused on me, because if they tried to touch my team mates they would be under fire by me. So I shot them, again, and again, and again, and I killed 1, and pinned down the other 3. Sure, I didn't get much WP and didn't get kills, but thanks to my distraction my team won. So lesson of the day: Get a powerful AV guy and annoy the tanks, even if they're not dying they will be in deep ****.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 320	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:40:00 - [2] - Quote One semi-dedicated AV holds down 3-4 tanks. People really think tanks are OP?
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 595	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:45:00 - [3] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: One semi-dedicated AV holds down 3-4 tanks. People really think tanks are OP? Because they're using Militia AV, which only works on Militia tanks.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 168	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:50:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So the enemy got 3-4 tanks out, some shield some armor but all of them annoying. They were pretty high end, and my team had trouble taking them out. I brought an Advanced Swarm launcher, + 3x complex damage mods, found a nice spot where I have good view of the map and the tanks can't get me, and I just took shots at them. They were pinned down and all focused on me, because if they tried to touch my team mates they would be under fire by me. So I shot them, again, and again, and again, and I killed 1, and pinned down the other 3. Sure, I didn't get much WP and didn't get kills, but thanks to my distraction my team won. So lesson of the day: Get a powerful AV guy and annoy the tanks, even if they're not dying they will be in deep ****. I honestly hate to say this, but all AV players should start taking notes from the OP AVing is not about chasing vehicles and sacrificing your body endlessly. Its about containing vehicles and limiting their movement. OP demonstrated a very effective use of his role, and just by his description alone , I would have no problem putting him on a A-Team for the AV role. Good to see some people actually know a thing or two on these forums
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 398	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:50:00 - [5] - Quote Too many people think "I'm not going to be able to blow it up, I may as well not bother."
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:51:00 - [6] - Quote Cool story bro. Call me back when you're soloing 3-4 REAL tankers in Ambush with just Advanced Swarms. That is, if you don't die to Infantry before you get a second volley off.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 622	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:53:00 - [7] - Quote There's a lot of really bad tank fits out there. There's a lot of really bad AV fits out there. And those of us who are skilled tankers know when we are facing properly fitted and skilled AV, cause it hurts and basically we need to use every trick in the book to stay out of line of sight.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 595	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:56:00 - [8] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Cool story bro. Call me back when you're soloing 3-4 REAL tankers in Ambush with just Advanced Swarms. That is, if you don't die to Infantry before you get a second volley off. That's why you play proper game modes, like Skirmish. Ambush is MADE for infantry, the fact that you can call in vehicles is the problem.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative 150	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:03:00 - [9] - Quote Agreed, OP. This is a somewhat extreme example, but the role of AV is fulfilled just as well by keeping vehicles from doing their job as by destroying them. It may not be as rewarding, but it's part of the job, and it will win you battles even if your teammates don't recognize it because nothing went boom.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 595	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:06:00 - [10] - Quote ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So the enemy got 3-4 tanks out, some shield some armor but all of them annoying. They were pretty high end, and my team had trouble taking them out. I brought an Advanced Swarm launcher, + 3x complex damage mods, found a nice spot where I have good view of the map and the tanks can't get me, and I just took shots at them. They were pinned down and all focused on me, because if they tried to touch my team mates they would be under fire by me. So I shot them, again, and again, and again, and I killed 1, and pinned down the other 3. Sure, I didn't get much WP and didn't get kills, but thanks to my distraction my team won. So lesson of the day: Get a powerful AV guy and annoy the tanks, even if they're not dying they will be in deep ****. I honestly hate to say this, but all AV players should start taking notes from the OP AVing is not about chasing vehicles and sacrificing your body endlessly. Its about containing vehicles and limiting their movement. OP demonstrated a very effective use of his role, and just by his description alone , I would have no problem putting him on a A-Team for the AV role. Good to see some people actually know a thing or two on these forums Thanks ReGnUM. Wait, you gave me a compliment? WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO TO REGNUM?!?!!?

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2593	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:14:00 - [11] - Quote Good AV turns a tank from a free 20-0 into a 15-1 or 5-0 game. When I'm hunting tanks, it's usually enemy infantry that gets me.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 488	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:17:00 - [12] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Too many people think "I'm not going to be able to blow it up, I may as well not bother." This, they don't realize that if even one guy pulls out a militia swarm launcher and an Uplink to his position, more will do the same.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 3	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:21:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So the enemy got 3-4 tanks out, some shield some armor but all of them annoying. They were pretty high end, and my team had trouble taking them out. I brought an Advanced Swarm launcher, + 3x complex damage mods, found a nice spot where I have good view of the map and the tanks can't get me, and I just took shots at them. They were pinned down and all focused on me, because if they tried to touch my team mates they would be under fire by me. So I shot them, again, and again, and again, and I killed 1, and pinned down the other 3. Sure, I didn't get much WP and didn't get kills, but thanks to my distraction my team won. So lesson of the day: Get a powerful AV guy and annoy the tanks, even if they're not dying they will be in deep ****. This ladies and gentlemen, is what I always try to get across to people in "Tanks are OP" threads. One halfassed AV fit by Cat merc holds down FOUR tanks. Sure he only killed one, but he stopped the others from doing anything and has hardly any SP invested in AV. To the forums, spec into AV and quit crying. The AV-Tank relationship is skewed heavily in favor of the AV.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 597	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:25:00 - [14] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So the enemy got 3-4 tanks out, some shield some armor but all of them annoying. They were pretty high end, and my team had trouble taking them out. I brought an Advanced Swarm launcher, + 3x complex damage mods, found a nice spot where I have good view of the map and the tanks can't get me, and I just took shots at them. They were pinned down and all focused on me, because if they tried to touch my team mates they would be under fire by me. So I shot them, again, and again, and again, and I killed 1, and pinned down the other 3. Sure, I didn't get much WP and didn't get kills, but thanks to my distraction my team won. So lesson of the day: Get a powerful AV guy and annoy the tanks, even if they're not dying they will be in deep ****. This ladies and gentlemen, is what I always try to get across to people in "Tanks are OP" threads. One halfassed AV fit by Cat merc holds down FOUR tanks. Sure he only killed one, but he stopped the others from doing anything and has hardly any SP invested in AV. To the forums, spec into AV and quit crying. The AV-Tank relationship is skewed heavily in favor of the AV. I had weaponry maxed out, I used a proto assault, I had level IV in Swarm Launcher Operation, and I had many skills into light weapons in general. Overall I have around 7mil SP going mostly into light weapons in general, so not really halfassed.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 3	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:32:00 - [15] - Quote Weaponry maxed out is something most infantry have just to be infantry. Proto assault also has nothing to do with you AV level or capability. The only thing you have specifically into "AV" is Swarm Launcher Op, which is only a couple hundred thousand. I'm not knocking you or your suits, just trying to get the point across that you have minimal investment into "AV"
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 601	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:35:00 - [16] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Weaponry maxed out is something most infantry have just to be infantry. Proto assault also has nothing to do with you AV level or capability. The only thing you have specifically into "AV" is Swarm Launcher Op, which is only a couple hundred thousand. I'm not knocking you or your suits, just trying to get the point across that you have minimal investment into "AV" Here is my full fit: Light Weapon: Whatever the basic advanced swarm launcher is called Secondary: Toxin SMG High slots: 3x Complex damage mods Low slots: 3x enhanced armor plates + 1x enhanced armor rep Grenades: Flux Equipment: Compact Nanohive + Nanohive
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 240	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:35:00 - [17] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Good AV turns a tank from a free 20-0 into a 15-1 or 5-0 game. When I'm hunting tanks, it's usually enemy infantry that gets me. when im in a tank im telling my squad to go kill you, 75%of the time they are to scared to hop out and that a blue berry will hop in and ignore that I told them get out and deal with the logi with swarm launcher and cost me my tank. I dislike 75% of the people I squad with... they need to learn how to blitz and assault logis with swarm launchers. HAVs can easily be countered by AV in a manner of 1 for 1, more so with newberries supporting the HAVs. tanks are only as powerfully as the troops supporting them.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 3	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:36:00 - [18] - Quote CBR7 is the basic one I think?
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 601	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:37:00 - [19] - Quote ladwar wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Good AV turns a tank from a free 20-0 into a 15-1 or 5-0 game. When I'm hunting tanks, it's usually enemy infantry that gets me. when im in a tank im telling my squad to go kill you, 75%of the time they are to scared to hop out and that a blue berry will hop in and ignore that I told them get out and deal with the logi with swarm launcher and cost me my tank. I dislike 75% of the people I squad with... they need to learn how to blitz and assault logis with swarm launchers. HAVs can easily be countered by AV in a manner of 1 for 1, more so with newberries supporting the HAVs. tanks are only as powerfully as the troops supporting them. People were trying to get to my position, but I picked my position well and I could defend it using my SMG. I had a lot of health from armor plates, and I had a compact nanohive healing me. I blocked a 3 man attack on my position.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 601	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:38:00 - [20] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: CBR7 is the basic one I think? Yeap that's the one.

Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 209	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:39:00 - [21] - Quote This is so true, no matter what the Swarms are, getting hit by them is enough to make you turn back for Infantry support. Its also pretty damn scary when I turn a corner and there are already a few Swarm volleys heading for me, tells me its going to be an annoying game. I do admit, MLT Swarms are nothing more than an annoyance unless they have help from dedicated AV players.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 601	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:40:00 - [22] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: This is so true, no matter what the Swarms are, getting hit by them is enough to make you turn back for Infantry support. Its also pretty damn scary when I turn a corner and there are already a few Swarm volleys heading for me, tells me its going to be an annoying game. I do admit, MLT Swarms are nothing more than an annoyance unless they have help from dedicated AV players. Yeah, I tend to fire in volleys of three, wait to see if they hit while reloading, and then start sending volleys of four.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 148	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:42:00 - [23] - Quote The only tactic that makes the OPs tactic better is too coordinate with your squadmates and all use swarms. Split into teams, and you'll have th tank running form one end of the map tot he other trying to get away form you. Your squad mates will just chase the tanks to you and vice versa. nade spamming packed AVs is pretty hilarious too.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 4	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:42:00 - [24] - Quote So, would you concede that you don't have very much SP invested in Anti-Vehicle specifically?
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 601	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:43:00 - [25] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: So, would you concede that you don't have very much SP invested in Anti-Vehicle specifically? Yes.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 4	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:45:00 - [26] - Quote Welp, congratulations on giving the finger to those four tanks and educating people on AV. One day people will stop whining, and one day tanks will be buffed. Also, tanks should be banned from ambush. ***** silly. Just throwing that out there.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 601	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:47:00 - [27] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Welp, congratulations on giving the finger to those four tanks and educating people on AV. One day people will stop whining, and one day tanks will be buffed. Also, tanks should be banned from ambush. ***** silly. Just throwing that out there. I think the problems are connected. People see how tanks dominate on ambush = tanks are overpowered. In Skirmish, people can think strategically, which any AV player needs to do to be effective. In Ambush, its just hope you spawn in a good place and that the tank doesn't roll over here
Darqwonders Bragian Order Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 22:44:00 - [28] - Quote But what's the incentive to doing this? You're better off picking a sniper rifle and doing the same thing against enemies. You'll net yourself more points that way. In a team game that rewards the most for killing, there's absolutely no incentive to be a specialized role.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 4	Posted - 2013.04.25 00:08:00 - [29] - Quote Darqwonders wrote: But what's the incentive to doing this? You're better off picking a sniper rifle and doing the same thing against enemies. You'll net yourself more points that way. In a team game that rewards the most for killing, there's absolutely no incentive to be a specialized role. You are the type of people that yell "nerf tanks!" When I go 25/0 in my gunnlogi in skirmish.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 243	Posted - 2013.04.25 00:13:00 - [30] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Darqwonders wrote: But what's the incentive to doing this? You're better off picking a sniper rifle and doing the same thing against enemies. You'll net yourself more points that way. In a team game that rewards the most for killing, there's absolutely no incentive to be a specialized role. You are the type of people that yell "nerf tanks!" When I go 25/0 in my gunnlogi in skirmish. you only go 25/0 in a skirmish? do you bring it in late to test the av waters?



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