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revived angel
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:33:00 -
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just what the title says , im getting pretty tired of running into guys who strafe , but instead of bitching about it , id would like to know if there is a way to counter it as an assualt/ logi. i am aware of the counter strafe as i have seen it in that youtube video but it doesnt always work out as well .Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:46:00 -
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You could try asking your opponents to stand still so you could shoot them, or you could just......
....Get Good! |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:57:00 -
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revived angel wrote:just what the title says , im getting pretty tired of running into guys who strafe , but instead of bitching about it , id would like to know if there is a way to counter it as an assualt/ logi. i am aware of the counter strafe as i have seen it in that youtube video but it doesnt always work out as well .Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks.
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Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:57:00 -
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aim to their chest, when they move try to keep aiming to their chest?
and after mastering this ancestral technique, try to do the same but aiming to the head  |
Flax Ribbon
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:57:00 -
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spec into mass drivers.... which will also allow you to handily shoot around corners. |
Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:59:00 -
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Shoot them in the head, that usually helps. Stay in a group, that helps too. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
272
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:00:00 -
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Depends on what weapon you are using, if you are using a Lazer rifle at close range then you are going to have a hard time. If you are using a SMG at close range and still having problems then the other advice is correct, you need to get good. Practice trying to engage at closer ranges with more rapid fire weapons designed for close combat until you can extend your range more.
Please note this game is not very smooth and it takes extra effort to keep on target. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
530
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:06:00 -
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I find if people strafe at medium-long ranges, they tend to generally strafe too wide or too narrow. Too narrow, and I don't even bother moving my gun; they strafe back into my stream of bullets anyway. Too wide, and they don't have enough unpredictability and I easily track them. And if they jump and strafe, well, that works until they run out of stamina.
At close ranges though, strafers and bunny-hopping is insanely annoying. I usually give up then (as a logi I have no sidearm) and lob a grenade into the ground and hope they try avoid that, giving me breathing space. If not, I end up dying fast.
When I get so far from my teammates that I've allowed someone to get that close without being able to do anything about it, though, I deserve the death. |
Ludwig Van Beatdropin
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
205
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:11:00 -
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revived angel wrote:just what the title says , im getting pretty tired of running into guys who strafe , but instead of bitching about it , id would like to know if there is a way to counter it as an assualt/ logi. i am aware of the counter strafe as i have seen it in that youtube video but it doesnt always work out as well .Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks.
Here's a tip. There are no tips, get good. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
379
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:18:00 -
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Grenades... |
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trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:29:00 -
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Mouse helps |
revived angel
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:32:00 -
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Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:revived angel wrote:just what the title says , im getting pretty tired of running into guys who strafe , but instead of bitching about it , id would like to know if there is a way to counter it as an assualt/ logi. i am aware of the counter strafe as i have seen it in that youtube video but it doesnt always work out as well .Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks. Here's a tip. There are no tips, get good.
how do you expect someone to get good with out any tips ? and if you reply to me a reason other than keep playing the game ,then there are tips and suggestions that can be given to others. which was the whole point of this post bro |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
591
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:48:00 -
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revived angel wrote:Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:revived angel wrote:just what the title says , im getting pretty tired of running into guys who strafe , but instead of bitching about it , id would like to know if there is a way to counter it as an assualt/ logi. i am aware of the counter strafe as i have seen it in that youtube video but it doesnt always work out as well .Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks. Here's a tip. There are no tips, get good. how do you expect someone to get good with out any tips ? and if you reply to me a reason other than keep playing the game ,then there are tips and suggestions that can be given to others. which was the whole point of this post bro
"Get gud" can be easily translated as "I have nothing to contribute but that won't stop me from commenting."
Dealing with the shuffling line dancer types can be frustrating, so if you're really having trouble with them it would be easiest to simply disengage from the fight. (That's assuming that you aren't both standing way out in the open at Manus Peak.) Go find some cover, and try to flank him if you can break line of sight for a while. (It helps having better dampening and sensors than the other guy, but I wouldn't sacrifice putting SP into your combat effectiveness for those skills.) If he smells blood and is determined to follow you, it's a good time to bate him into running around a corner into a remote explosive or cooked grenade.
If you're absolutely committed to the shuffle fight, then you're going to have to shuffle too. (There are some decent training videos on YouTube.) Be sure to know the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons involved. SMGs are excellent anti-strafing weapons, but have pitiful range compared to the AR that your fleet footed enemy is almost certainly wielding.
Just be glad that you weren't around during the days of the invincible dancing scout, before they nerfed strafing speed and started fixing the hit detection. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
855
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:56:00 -
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Like someone said above...
When someone is moving rapidly back and forth.. Sometimes the answer is to not overcommit to aiming. Definitely do not use ADS (aim down sight) while in a strafe battle. It slows you down and gives the other guy a lot easier time.
Hipfire in controlled bursts if you can to minimize spread, and if you can't track them with hipfire, try to keep your cursor in a middle ground between where they are bouncing back and forth. Let them run into your bullets, so to speak.
Try to avoid jumping where possible, while it works very well against mediocre to poor players, skilledp layers will just eat you up while you're travelling in a fixed speed/direction that you can't control.
Like said in the post above : Disengaging is not always a bad idea. Run around corners, and make them follow you. Cook a grenade after you pass the corner, and turn around and throw it at their feet as they follow you. Either way, for that second or so they come around the corner, you can hit them in ADS and then swap back to hipfire if needed. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
548
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:17:00 -
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Use webifiers... oh wait wrong game.
OR IS IT?! (Hint hint CCP) |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2574
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:19:00 -
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Strafing is only viable in two scenarios, as I'll set out below, along with their counters.
1. The shooter isn't adjusting for the target's strafing.
Obviously, if you keep firing in one spot while a guy moves back and forth through your hail of bullets, he'll take less damage than you if he's aiming for you the whole time. It only makes sense that you need to adjust your aim if you want to be hitting consistently.
Solution: Get good.
2. Server-side hit detection.
Unlike most current-gen FPS games, which use client-side hit detection, DUST tracks this server-side. Normally, when you line up a hitscan weapon on your target, firing while the target is in your crosshairs will guarantee that your shot lands on the target. It's as simple as that. In DUST, server-side hit detection means that if you line up, the game tracks your shot NOT from the moment you pull the trigger, but from the moment your client tells the server that you pulled the trigger. If the target has moved since then, your shots will be off-target.
Solution: Learn to compensate for your latency. You can get a rough estimate of how far to lead your shots by tapping your fire button and watching the ammo counter - it's also tracked server side, so the amount of time before it drops will give you a hint as to how much of a delay you'll need to allow for. If you aim about that far ahead of your target, you can hit consistently. Your ping isn't going to be 100% stable through all your games, but as long as you're on the same server, it should be mostly stable enough to just calibrate your aim at the beginning of each battle. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3627
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:29:00 -
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1. Couple things you can do, 1 aim ahead some people are muscle memories into their strafe patterns try to nail them on the apex of their strafes.
2 Another hard counter is a second partner strafing is only really good in 1v1 it cannot starve off an entire fire team's worth of shooting.
3 Force them to run straight. Withdraw, advanced, whatever use the environment so it becomes impossible for them to strafe.
4 Explosives
5. Vehicles.
6. Counter Strafe, out dance and out gun them, you'll do fine. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
265
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:44:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Strafing is only viable in two scenarios
No. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3627
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:47:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Strafing is only viable in two scenarios No.
It be much easier to state scenarios where it is not useful at all. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
857
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:07:00 -
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What Try_harder was probably trying to say is that you should -always- be strafing in a game like dust. If you're standing still for pretty much any reason whatsoever, you're doing it wrong. When you're hacking something, dance a bit. You can actually move quite a bit without stopping the hack. When you're using pretty much any weapon in a firefight, dance.
When you're using a sniper, jiggle while you survey the field for targets, then ADS and pop off your shot, and jiggle some more.
That is pretty much lesson 1 in "How not to die in Dust". |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2574
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:08:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Strafing is only viable in two scenarios No.
Did you actually read how I defined those two scenarios?
Because it's true.
They're VERY broad conditions, but if you don't fit at least one of them, you can't "abuse" strafing in DUST.
NOTE: it's not really abuse, which is why I ""ed it. |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
EoN.
112
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:22:00 -
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revived angel wrote:Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:revived angel wrote:just what the title says , im getting pretty tired of running into guys who strafe , but instead of bitching about it , id would like to know if there is a way to counter it as an assualt/ logi. i am aware of the counter strafe as i have seen it in that youtube video but it doesnt always work out as well .Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks. Here's a tip. There are no tips, get good. how do you expect someone to get good with out any tips ? and if you reply to me a reason other than keep playing the game ,then there are tips and suggestions that can be given to others. which was the whole point of this post bro
He stated he didn't want to counter strafe to beat strafe.... to that get gud is the only thing you can tell em. That would be like going into a sport and saying "How do i beat that guy who trains hard.... without training myself?" |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:43:00 -
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A few unspoken rules of FPSs:
Running in a straight line is a bad idea.
Sitting still is a bad idea.
Walking, running with no cover is a bad idea.
Also,
Learn to strafe and shoot.
Keep moving, looking.
Cover your 6:00
If you're not sprinting, shooting - Reload
(Can I show this to the taxman as proof of charitable contributions?) |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:56:00 -
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If you're like me, who can't hit moving targets with an AR, just specs into the MD. Those cute dance moves won't mean anything anymore. It requires predictions though, especially against scouts.
If you're a Heavy, HMG works too, if you're close enough.
Or you can bait them to come around the corner, and blow them up with the RE.
Outside of that, you're just going to have to practice. I know it's hard, I still can't shot an AR to save my life. |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
143
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Posted - 2013.04.22 17:22:00 -
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Shoot where they are going, not where they are.
Takes practice, but that's how you hit them no matter what they do.
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ugg reset
ZionTCD
252
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Posted - 2013.04.22 17:36:00 -
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Depending on the range I fire from the hip. It's a slower kill but with more constant damage.
also try mass dravers for the really quick ones. Assault drivers just need to land in their Zip code to deal dammage. |
revived angel
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.22 19:49:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:revived angel wrote:Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:[quote=revived angel]just what the title says , im getting pretty tired of running into guys who strafe , but instead of bitching about it , id would like to know if there is a way to counter it as an assualt/ logi. i am aware of the counter strafe as i have seen it in that youtube video but it doesnt always work out as well .Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks. Here's a tip. There are no tips, get good. how do you expect someone to get good with out any tips ? and if you reply to me a reason other than keep playing the game ,then there are tips and suggestions that can be given to others. which was the whole point of this post bro
He stated he didn't want to counter strafe to beat strafe.... to that get gud is the only thing you can tell em. That would be like going into a sport and saying "How do i beat that guy who trains hard.... without training myself?"[/quote
gotta read more carfully bro i said im aware of the counter strafe but it doesnt work out all the time so besides getting better at counter strafing i wanted to know the other options i had for that situation .if there was only one way then why is every anwser given to me not the same? |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
163
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Posted - 2013.04.22 20:07:00 -
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Honestly,
The best way to a beat strafe is to out strafe them.
Im gonna use this thread to advertise my strafe tutorial 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYXffQMXXxM |
Don Von Hulio
Not Guilty
EoN.
150
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Posted - 2013.04.22 20:10:00 -
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The simple answer would be to just ask CCP to nerf strafing. They are obviously abusing the latency issues... so the only logical path would be to make the controls be even more sluggish and clunky.
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ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
163
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Posted - 2013.04.22 20:12:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:The simple answer would be to just ask CCP to nerf strafing. They are obviously abusing the latency issues... so the only logical path would be to make the controls be even more sluggish and clunky.
I was about to say something, but then I read the rest of your post
+1 for almosting getting a emotional reaction |
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semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
413
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Posted - 2013.04.22 20:25:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:
Nothing to see here guys. Dont pay attention to this noobs strafe tutorial...its horrible.
***whisper* regnum you arent supposed to teach the opposition how to play  |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
164
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Posted - 2013.04.22 20:33:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: Nothing to see here guys. Dont pay attention to this noobs strafe tutorial...its horrible. ***whisper* regnum you arent supposed to teach the opposition how to play
 clearly it is not helping the OP |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
184
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Posted - 2013.04.22 23:27:00 -
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There's some good advice here and there's some not as good, but it is what it is. But they all forget to mention that you might want to aim at shoulder level across the upper torso. It increases the chance of catching their ankles and feet if they jump, as well as possible head shots from hipfire recoil induced bullet spread.
Of course if you're great at keeping your horizontal aim traversal centered, just aim for the head. Then if they jump you will hit their feet.
Otherwise the only real viable tip is to either change to AOE weapons or practice a lot on your aiming skills. |
SIRAJKNIGHT
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
45
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Posted - 2013.04.22 23:30:00 -
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god, i remember when there weren't many people who would strafe few months ago . i got easy kills that time....but now its harder |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
71
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Posted - 2013.04.22 23:35:00 -
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How to beat strafing?
Wait for CCP to fix latency.
Until then, stay aware, dictate engagements at your weapon's optimal range and retreat to your optimal range when in danger. Keep cover between you and your opponent and ADS or crouch when you can. If you're running and gunning like rambo on crack, then you're doing it wrong. This isn't CoD as much as people want it to be. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1291
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Posted - 2013.04.22 23:40:00 -
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Hipfire in CQC. Laugh everywhere else. |
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