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SIRAJKNIGHT
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:20:00 -
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Is the statement written below in quotes true or false:
"The Statement is False"
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XxWarlordxX97
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:25:00 -
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SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:Is the statement written below in quotes true or false:
"The Statement is False"
maybe who knows |
SIRAJKNIGHT
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:30:00 -
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hard question indeeed |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
534
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:44:00 -
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I don't know.
The statement never clarifies what it's referring to. It could be talking about something on CNN or a Cracked article.
Context matters. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:51:00 -
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SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:Is the statement written below in quotes true or false:
"This Statement is False"
FIxed it for you.
NOW it's hard. |
XxWarlordxX97
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Posted - 2013.04.18 04:21:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:Is the statement written below in quotes true or false:
"This Statement is False"
FIxed it for you. NOW it's hard.
maybe |
Lord-of-the-Dreadfort
The Lions Guard
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:57:00 -
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SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:Is the statement written below in quotes true or false:
"The Statement is False"
what statement? |
Hunter Junko
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:24:00 -
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SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:Is the statement written below in quotes true or false:
"The Statement is False"
what is false? what does the statement refer to?
i gotta stop before my brain hurts |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
547
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:35:00 -
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It is false as it states that the statement is false... |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1249
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:19:00 -
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What I am saying is a lie.
is that the truth? |
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.04.19 00:13:00 -
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Oh, man, I absolutely love such paradoxes.
But yeah, the question should sound "This statement is a lie". Personally, though, I prefer the version that McBob already posted. |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.19 03:30:00 -
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Let me explain. In philosophy and logic, the liar paradox or liar's paradox (pseudomenon in Ancient Greek) is the statement "this sentence is false." Trying to assign to this statement a classical binary truth value leads to a contradiction (see paradox). If "this sentence is false" is true, then the sentence is false, which would in turn mean that it is actually true, but this would mean that it is false, and so on without end. Similarly, if "this sentence is false" is false, then the sentence is true, which would in turn mean that it is actually false, but this would mean that it is true, and so on without end.The problem of the liar paradox is that it seems to show that common beliefs about truth and falsity actually lead to a contradiction. Sentences can be constructed that cannot consistently be assigned a truth value even though they are completely in accord with grammar and semantic rules. The simplest version of the paradox is the sentence: This statement is false. (A) If (A) is true, then "This statement is false" is true. Therefore (A) must be false. The hypothesis that (A) is true leads to the conclusion that (A) is false, a contradiction. If (A) is false, then "This statement is false" is false. Therefore (A) must be true. The hypothesis that (A) is false leads to the conclusion that (A) is true, another contradiction. Either way, (A) is both true and false, which is a paradox. However, that the liar sentence can be shown to be true if it is false and false if it is true has led some to conclude that it is "neither true nor false". This response to the paradox is, in effect, the rejection of the claim that every statement has to be either true or false, also known as the principle of bivalence, a concept related to the law of the excluded middle. The proposal that the statement is neither true nor false has given rise to the following, strengthened version of the paradox: This statement is not true. (B) If (B) is neither true nor false, then it must be not true. Since this is what (B) itself states, it means that (B) must be true. Since initially (B) was not true and is now true, another paradox arises.Another reaction to the paradox of (A) is to posit, as Graham Priest has, that the statement is both true and false. Nevertheless, even Priest's analysis is susceptible to the following version of the liar: This statement is only false. (C) If (C) is both true and false, then (C) is only false. But then, it is not true. Since initially (C) was true and is now not true, it is a paradox. There are also multi-sentence versions of the liar paradox. The following is the two-sentence version: The following statement is true. (D1) The preceding statement is false. (D2) Assume (D1) is true. Then (D2) is true. This would mean that (D1) is false. Therefore (D1) is both true and false. Assume (D1) is false. Then (D2) is false. This would mean that (D1) is true. Thus (D1) is both true and false. Either way, (D1) is both true and false - the same paradox as (A) above. The multi-sentence version of the liar paradox generalizes to any circular sequence of such statements (wherein the last statement asserts the truth/falsity of the first statement), provided there are an odd number of statements asserting the falsity of their successor; the following is a three-sentence version, with each statement asserting the falsity of its successor: E2 is false. (E1) E3 is false. (E2) E1 is false. (E3) Assume (E1) is true. Then (E2) is false, which means (E3) is true, and hence (E1) is false, leading to a contradiction. Assume (E1) is false. Then (E2) is true, which means (E3) is false, and hence (E1) is true. Either way, (E1) is both true and false - the same paradox as with (A) and (D1). There are many other variants, and many compliments, possible. In normal sentence construction, the simplest version of the compliment is the sentence: This statement is true. (F) If F is assumed to bear a truth value, then it presents the problem of determining the object of that value. But, a simpler version is possible, by assuming that the single word 'true' bears a truth value. The analogue to the paradox is to assume that the single word 'false' likewise bears a truth value, namely that it is false. This reveals that the paradox can be reduced to the mental act of assuming that the very idea of fallacy bears a truth value, namely that the very idea of fallacy is false: an act of misrepresentation. So, the symmetrical version of the paradox would be: The following statement is false. (G1) The preceding statement is false. (G2) Alfred Tarski diagnosed the paradox as arising only in languages that are "semantically closed", by which he meant a language in which it is possible for one sentence to predicate truth (or falsehood) of another sentence in the same language (or even of itself). To avoid self-contradiction, it is necessary when discussing truth values to envision levels of languages, each of which can predicate truth (or falsehood) only of languages at a lower level. So, when one sentence refers to the truth-value of another, it is semantically higher. The sentence referred to is part of the "object language", while the referring sentence is considered to be a part of a "meta-language" with respect to the object language. It is legitimate for sentences in "languages" higher on the semantic hierarchy to refer to sentences lower in the "language" hierarchy, but not the other way around. This prevents a system from becoming self-referential. |
Lord-of-the-Dreadfort
The Lions Guard
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Posted - 2013.04.19 03:38:00 -
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that made my brain hurt |
Chris F2112
187.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 04:36:00 -
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I'm about 99% certain he copied that. |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:59:00 -
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Chris F2112 wrote:I'm about 99% certain he copied that.
I'm 100% certain |
Selrache
Rebelles A Quebec
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:47:00 -
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copied.. but still enjoyed it a lot... thanks... |
XxWarlordxX97
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:09:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:I'm about 99% certain he copied that. I'm 100% certain
I'm 1000% sure |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:10:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:I'm about 99% certain he copied that. I'm 100% certain I'm 1000% sure
O_O Mom? |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:14:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:I'm about 99% certain he copied that. I'm 100% certain
lol, i like this guy. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:12:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:I'm about 99% certain he copied that. I'm 100% certain I'm 1000% sure O_O Mom?
Make sense |
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Julius Vindice
Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation
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Posted - 2013.04.20 02:28:00 -
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The answer is TRUE, the quotes werearound the contradictory statement.
Cmon y'all this ain't quantum mechanics. |
Scottie MaCallan
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.21 04:24:00 -
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for those who got a headache reading that wall of text (although I have to admit it kind of made sense my the end, just hard to read), I have decided to forgo human logic and put this question to a computer. I apologize if there are any blatant errors in my code, it's been about a year and a half since my last comp sci class (picking it up again next semester)
//class 1, defines the paradox, provides a function to return the hypothesis
public class Paradox{
private String paradox;
public Boolean hypothesis;
public Statement(String p){
paradox = p;
boolean s = p.contains(GÇ£falseGÇ¥);
if (s == true) { hypothesis = false;}
else { hypothesis = true;}
}
public Boolean getHypothesis(){
return this.hypothesis;
}
//class 2, returns answer to paradox
public class answerParadox{
private Boolean answer;
public static void main(String[] args){
Paradox p1 = (GÇ£This statement is falseGÇ¥);
Boolean hypothesis = p1.getHypothesis();
if (hypothesis == false) {answer = true;}
else {answer = false;}
if (hypothesis == answer) {return answer;}
else {
hypothesis = answer;
main();
}
}
}
and yes, I know I was lazy, I should have written a function for modifying the hypothesis, and made it a private boolean. sue me.
I hope that answers any questions people may still have |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.21 04:27:00 -
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SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:Is the statement written below in quotes true or false:
"The Statement is False"
it is true sense it is false |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
184
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Posted - 2013.04.21 06:05:00 -
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without reference to the noun "statement" there is nothing to find true or false and a statement without is there for always true. so yes true, I had many teachers try and pull this bull statement on me. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.21 21:39:00 -
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ladwar wrote:without reference to the noun "statement" there is nothing to find true or false and a statement without is there for always true. so yes true, I had many teachers try and pull this bull statement on me.
I was right yes thank you |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:08:00 -
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What is the smell of purple? |
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