DUST Search - Treaty of Hedaleolfarber III: Refuge of Academia

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Orin the Freak wrote:

If indeed molden heath is the location of the first opening, then Hedaleolfarber is actually an ideal planet for a corporation.

More power to you though. But I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that I don't support this method of "claiming a planet". This is not a game for charitable people. What you are doing with these learning corps is admirable, but you say you want to "eliminate taxes". Well, thats what a lot of other corps probably hope to do with taking districts. how are they less important than you?

Hedaleolfarber is actually not ideal, Altbrard is, which has 14 districts and the same set up. Hedaleolfarber's dead end set up is seen as Defensive gold, but if everybody set up PC around the defense, more than half the planets would go untouched. Some planets offer great offensive position, being on the routes to various locations, making it a good home base for outward expansion. We are choosing a defensive secluded planet because that prevents invasion and also frees up the more offensive planets to the corporations who wish to attack things.

Look we gotta set up shop somewhere and we're merely letting you guys know that this is where. It's of least value and is not the only dead end planet out there. Altbrard is the same but more!


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Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 693	Posted - 2013.04.18 00:36:00 - [1] - Quote I would like to point out that I feel like Academia III still needs a third party on world. 12 districts: 4 Battle Zones (1 per major TZ group) 3 DU Campus (their number, not mine) 2 BSOTT Campus (last number I heard discussed) 3 Other This "third party" could be another college or it could be three different "booster" corps that provide adjunct faculty, both in the form of teaching part-time and attacking the BZs during scheduled battles. Such booster corps would of course be signatories to the Treaty of Academia. Those corps, purely by virtue of their contact with students (not any special quid-pro-quo) would be most likely to recruit the best and brightest students.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 694	Posted - 2013.04.18 01:10:00 - [2] - Quote Scrubby McScrubscrub wrote: I'm just gonna leave my two cents right here. You're basically asking for 12 districts of prime real estate and then claiming that no one should attack you. Why not take Kadlina instead. It's only got seven districts so you're not asking that much, no stations and only two tech moons. On top of that it's still deadend. Your asking for the most defendable (and therefore most valuable) moon in Molden Heath and then claiming people shouldn't attack you. Bottom Line: You can't have it both ways. Either pick a small, unvaluable planet and then create a pact to punish any corp dumb enough to try to take it or pick on that's easily defended and defend that. If you're not going to play the game get to the sidelines. Kadlina was considered. Unfortunately, it is part of the Tartatven-Elfrard megapocket. This megapocket will likely become the province of one or two of the kaiju corps within a month or so of Uprising. From a district number standpoint, it is also too small to support the four combat TZs that DU is looking to host. Last I heard, the leadership of DU felt that they would need three districts to supply the clones to supply those four battles per day. That is seven districts right there. Wait... Kadlina has TECH MOONS...?!
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 694	Posted - 2013.04.18 02:45:00 - [3] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: as pfbhz have stated ur base is a prime location and if u truly are a training corp why do u need land? this is sucspicous... The planet in question is only a prime base for a corp with no ambitions. It is three jumps from the nearest other PC planets, meaning that you have to dedicate a lot of SI to Science Labs, lose a lot of clones to attrition, or buy lots of Gen packs to attack anywhere else. The explanation for needing land is long and complicated, but here are the highlights: - Friendly Fire (Teaching in a FF environment) - PC Interfaces (Learning them to teach them) - Clone supply to enable FF practice battles - Income (small) to offset ISK losses from training supplies in the absence of other funding methods (no trading) It is also worth noting that we are only having discussions about specific planets because BSOTT took the initiative to conduct serious research into the starting region. There is still no official CCP announcement (so it could change), but the data currently available was provided to the entire community at the same time as part of our educational outreach.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 694	Posted - 2013.04.18 02:49:00 - [4] - Quote Dis Cord wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: quick question pfbhz ive never heard of noir. mercenary group what corps r part of it EvE Who Dotlan ^Good sites to know. These are very important. It is worth noting that in many cases the diplomatic contacts for alliances are often listed in the descriptions or in the description of the executor corp. Realistically, we should be talking to those people more than the forums at-large.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 694	Posted - 2013.04.18 03:06:00 - [5] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Orin the Freak wrote: If indeed molden heath is the location of the first opening, then Hedaleolfarber is actually an ideal planet for a corporation. More power to you though. But I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that I don't support this method of "claiming a planet". This is not a game for charitable people. What you are doing with these learning corps is admirable, but you say you want to "eliminate taxes". Well, thats what a lot of other corps probably hope to do with taking districts. how are they less important than you? Hedaleolfarber is actually not ideal, Altbrard is, which has 14 districts and the same set up. Hedaleolfarber's dead end set up is seen as Defensive gold, but if everybody set up PC around the defense, more than half the planets would go untouched. Some planets offer great offensive position, being on the routes to various locations, making it a good home base for outward expansion. We are choosing a defensive secluded planet because that prevents invasion and also frees up the more offensive planets to the corporations who wish to attack things. Look we gotta set up shop somewhere and we're merely letting you guys know that this is where. It's of least value and is not the only dead end planet out there. Altbrard is the same but more! Indeed, a corp with dreams of expansion that doesn't quite feel ready to take on the kaijus would be best served by setting up in one of these areas: - Sakulda midpocket: 3 planets, 29 districts (3 jumps) - Klingt midpocket: 2 planets, 27 districts (2 jumps) - Oddelulf-Bosena midpocket: 2 planets, 37 districts (2 jumps) By comparison, these are small-potatoes systems that only tiny corps would find worthwhile after a week or two: - Altbrard minipocket: 1 planet, 14 districts (2 jumps) - Hedaleofarber minipocket: 1 planet, 12 districts (3 jumps) - Hrober minipocket: 2 planets, 15 districts (3 jumps) The real prizes, the ones that the kaijus should be fighting over are the: - Tartatven-Elfrard megapocket: 8 planets, 67 districts (2 jumps) - Eoldulf-Besateoden megapocket: 5 planets, 43 planets (2 jumps)
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 694	Posted - 2013.04.18 03:37:00 - [6] - Quote Free Beers wrote: So you want for free what all the other mercs have to grind isk for and fight on a daily basis to keep? Are that lazy or just that incapable? Where ever you put down a flag so will imps just to prove a point. Actually, no. Since we have no means of getting cash from outside, we have to grind ISK for Gen Packs, same as you. We will end up fighting, perhaps daily, same as you. What we are asking for is a pledge from anyone who wants to be taken seriously as a kaiju to leave us alone and perhaps to help us if we need assistance running off griefers and/or sharks. Any corp that is worth fearing has absolutely nothing to gain by smacking down the colleges. Any "big name" corp that attacks a college has proved that they are either too incompetent or too chickenkitten to fight the real badkitten kaiju corps. Everybody knows that a corp like Imperfects could roll either college. All that doing so would prove is that the attacker is completely unable to stand toe-to-toe with Noir, Orion, or the other kaiju alliances. Honestly, given that some of the kaijus have their own colleges, maybe it makes sense to go for a different planet and pack `em all in- each school gets one district as a "campus" and everything else is a battle zone. Personally, I'm not wedded to Hageldnofarbenabelfraggingumptiboop either. I gave a bunch of reasons why it made sense, but I was a bit surprised when DU and Bojo ran with it as THE planet. I figured that we should reach out to the kaijus and get their hit on things before we made any announcements about a particular location. However, the value of a college planet to the overall progress of the game is considerable. One of the reasons for The Blue Donut in EVE is the lack of good learning opportunities. If you are not in a kaiju alliance, you have no hope of learning sovereignty except by blowing a few trillion ISK learning the hard way. If you are in a kaiju alliance, you have no hope of learning sovereignty because you will never get trusted with the power and even if you were, your NAPs prohibit invading your neighbors.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 695	Posted - 2013.04.18 03:40:00 - [7] - Quote Free Beers wrote: nope. I hate people that want stuff for free in this game. Earn it or stfu and gtfo basically. Like all those people from a certain corp^ who AFK in the MCC?
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 695	Posted - 2013.04.18 04:13:00 - [8] - Quote ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: I have heard enough from your tongue Bojo. Insulting a Negative Feedback director will never be tolerated. Especially when it is from a pathetic organization asking for food stamps on a video game. You come here begging for assistance, and instead you insult us. At this time Imperfects and her allies are Declaring War on Bojo and any organization affiliated with it. Expect an official Imperfect Statement in the next 24 hours I'm still wondering why your corp is not in the Negative-Feedback [DEVHX] alliance. Neither the DEVHX alliance description nor the description of its executor corp (IMPPP) list you as a diplomatic contact or spokesman. The fact of the matter, Mr. Regnum, is that you and your heretofore unidentified-as-a-spokesman "director" came in here looking for a fight. You came here looking for reasons to beat up colleges because you are terrified that people no longer take you seriously. Hence the board spam the last few days and all the necroing of Imp threads. Mr. Spero I respect. He does a lot of work for the community, participates in RP, and still manages to be tough. On the other hand- You, sir, are a troll and the sooner that DEVHX officially disowns you the sooner the rest of Dust will start taking them seriously again. Why? Because threatening to beat up colleges is about as awe-inspiring as picking a fight with Ralph Wiggum.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 695	Posted - 2013.04.18 04:14:00 - [9] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: I'm finding this whole exchange fairly amusing. Schools: Hey everyone, we want to be here, which is basically a terrible place for launching attacks on anywhere. imps: ** YOU! WE WANT THAT NAO! Schools: It's basically useless. imps: YOU! WE WANT IT SPECIFICALLY SO YOU CAN"T HAVE IT! Schools: Okay then. Anyone want to help us out here? imps: ** YOU! YOU SHOULD HAVE TO EARN EVERYTHING! Schools: Like you do, with AFK'ing? imps: ARGH! WARDEC WARDEC! it's honestly kind of sad, you imp guys are supposed to be good at this game, but all you seem to do is AFK, protostomp randoms, and now threatening to wardec schools? that's just low. Nicely summarized. Thank you.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 696	Posted - 2013.04.18 04:18:00 - [10] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Really peg us as impotent bullies is really the best you got. Sorry pop pyschology tactics aside you have any better reason why we shouldn"t. I hear ISK is a pretty powerful motivator. You don't care about ISK. You just want to watch the world burn.

Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 697	Posted - 2013.04.18 11:48:00 - [11] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Sure im was forged and tested by the hottest flames known in all the known worlds. I am death incarnate such is the way of the IMPS, your puny yellow-colored flames are like air conditioning to me. I will use the heat to melt your suit and feast on the charred carcass you leave behind. WOW. Go back to. That kind of kitten will fit right in.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 697	Posted - 2013.04.18 12:25:00 - [12] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: You're screwed no matter how you slice it, honestly. Pretending that Molden Heath is where CCP decides to start this off (nowhere near certain), Hedaleolfarber III is a huge economic asset. It's in a dead end system, and that's EXACTLY what makes it worth more, not less, than other planets in systems with many adjacent planets. It's very defensible because attacking it costs more. In addition to being very defensible, I think it has something like 20 districts on it, right? That's nearly one tenth of all the districts we're expecting to be able to capture at all. So Dust Uni is saying that you want 10% of potential PC income for free on a planet where that income is nearly guaranteed. First of all, thank you for being willing to interact intelligently. Second, Hedal-achoo! has 12 districts which is less than 5%- though your point is well-taken. As far as grabbing too much, we are still trying to discuss what sort of usage makes sense. Both BSOTT and DU have said that all 12 are not necessary to our academic work. I have proposed bringing in other training corps or members of the College Coalition to take over the rest. This makes it easier for Coalition members to attack rogue griefers, gives their trainees someone to fight, and also gives their corps more opportunity to recruit from the colleges. Leither Yiltron wrote: Sugar coating things isn't my style. There are two words explaining this whole situation: Misguided and stupid. I guess the word "diplomacy" is different in your books than in mine, because in mine "diplomacy" involves talking to other parties first, and then taking action. You've done the opposite here. If you had stopped to talk to other parties in the first place, you'd know that your plans... Again, point well-taken. I think that like many other people, we can get overly enthusiastic and not pause for reflection. How quickly this thread has devolved is good evidence of the need for diplomacy. Next time, we may try approaching some leaders directly first. Leither Yiltron wrote: You still have a chance to make the smart decision for Dust Uni and pull back on your plan to go into PC. Use Fac War for additional training exercises and wait until the major planetary sov holding parties settle down a bit after the starting pandemonium. Then negotiate 3 districts or so somewhere. From a security standpoint you are correct. However, any college that is not able to teach PC runs the risk of becoming irrelevant. Given that some griefers are already looking at the colleges as easy meat, the ultimate strategy must be well-considered, but doing nothing may not be an option.