The point of buying the Merc Pack was originally presented as a way to prepurchase gear for the Commercial Release. We've been asking about this since they day the final SP reset was announced with no response from CCP. The only reason it's being discussed now is because all of the CCP White Knights have decided to rise up and defend CCP's right to screw people who bought Merc Packs.

Humorously, CCP have now stated that they intend to honor the agreement, the white knights are just raging because that's what white knights do.

The point of buying the Merc Pack was originally presented as a way to prepurchase gear for the Commercial Release. We've been asking about this since they day the final SP reset was announced with no response from CCP. The only reason it's being discussed now is because all of the CCP White Knights have decided to rise up and defend CCP's right to screw people who bought Merc Packs.

Humorously, CCP have now stated that they intend to honor the agreement, the white knights are just raging because that's what white knights do.

Man, If I get a reset I won't be buying more Aurum. Bunch of kids with a cup full of tears demanding they get more than they paid for. We were promised no more resets, so CCP is either going to give us a reset, break the promise, lose the players that spend a lot of time grinding to get where they were because they were promised "no more SP resets unless the **** up real bad" and give these kids **** they didn't deserve to get, or the kids QQ more and more, try and sue CCP, get laughed at and leave the game.

Personally, I hope for the second option. I mean why pay for a BETA and not read **** properly? We got our Final reset, that was it, you're done.

Seriously. This sort of self-entitlement is what ruins things for everyone else. You knew the risks of buying it in beta. Our characters were reset, you got your aurum back. We AREN'T being reset, and there hasn't been a single mention from a Dev saying this is commercial release, so you aren't getting it back. I paid just like you so why is it that I'm not sitting here crying myself to sleep because I'm not getting refunded for a reset that's not happening?

Seriously. This sort of self-entitlement is what ruins things for everyone else. You knew the risks of buying it in beta. Our characters were reset, you got your aurum back. We AREN'T being reset, and there hasn't been a single mention from a Dev saying this is commercial release, so you aren't getting it back. I paid just like you so why is it that I'm not sitting here crying myself to sleep because I'm not getting refunded for a reset that's not happening?

becuauae you pretend to be an adult but you're really a child that doesnt know how to stand up for his consumer rights and it really shows.


next please.

Do you even know what you're talking about at this point? As it's been said several times now, if you played the game after the reset in january, you agreed to the new TOS, so cry as much as you want because you're still wrong.

Seriously. This sort of self-entitlement is what ruins things for everyone else. You knew the risks of buying it in beta. Our characters were reset, you got your aurum back. We AREN'T being reset, and there hasn't been a single mention from a Dev saying this is commercial release, so you aren't getting it back. I paid just like you so why is it that I'm not sitting here crying myself to sleep because I'm not getting refunded for a reset that's not happening?

The point of buying the Merc Pack was originally presented as a way to prepurchase gear for the Commercial Release. We've been asking about this since they day the final SP reset was announced with no response from CCP. The only reason it's being discussed now is because all of the CCP White Knights have decided to rise up and defend CCP's right to screw people who bought Merc Packs.

Humorously, CCP have now stated that they intend to honor the agreement, the white knights are just raging because that's what white knights do.

It's not so much that we're white knighting for CCP as we just like to make fun of over-entitled children who were born in the lawyer era.

And that's the problem. "Oh, you wont give in to my unreasonable demands? Fine, I'll just sue you."

Maybe I just missed it, but the ONLY people I've seen talking about legal action are the White Knights like yourselves building straw men to knock over and burn in effigy.

This isn't about legality, it's about being straight with the people buying your goods. You don't just **** around Willy Nilly and remove products from a purchase AFTER the POS. I don't care if their plans changed, that's THEIR problem not mine (the customer).

Did you NOT see the final line that SEVERAL have posted? They even said they may remove or change items. It's not my fault you can't read.

I think it's interesting that alot of the people demanding a refund of the merc pack items conveniently fail to mention the second to last sentence in the pre open beta merc pack description which states:

"CCP cannot guarantee that all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value"

Full Merc Pack Agreement can be seen here

Guess what? The items of similar value that you will be getting is the SP you have earned using the boosters, consumables, and aur. Any AUR/Consumables/Boosters that you still haven't used from your merc packs will not be refunded, because you still have them.

The point of buying the Merc Pack was originally presented as a way to prepurchase gear for the Commercial Release. We've been asking about this since they day the final SP reset was announced with no response from CCP. The only reason it's being discussed now is because all of the CCP White Knights have decided to rise up and defend CCP's right to screw people who bought Merc Packs.

Humorously, CCP have now stated that they intend to honor the agreement, the white knights are just raging because that's what white knights do.

Seriously. This sort of self-entitlement is what ruins things for everyone else. You knew the risks of buying it in beta. Our characters were reset, you got your aurum back. We AREN'T being reset, and there hasn't been a single mention from a Dev saying this is commercial release, so you aren't getting it back. I paid just like you so why is it that I'm not sitting here crying myself to sleep because I'm not getting refunded for a reset that's not happening?

How does people getting what they paid for ruin things for anyone else?

It all depends on if they have the SP gained via boosters revoked. If not, then they are gaining 100% SP boost instead of 50%, and 50% is already pretty steep as is.

That's not even including the advantage of using AUR gear to get SP faster and take advantage of the SP soft cap.

If people want their stuff back so bad, all they have to do is return the SP they gained via AUR. It's simple, and fair.

It all depends on if they have the SP gained via boosters revoked. If not, then they are gaining 100% SP boost instead of 50%, and 50% is already pretty steep as is.

That's not even including the advantage of using AUR gear to get SP faster and take advantage of the SP soft cap.

If people want their stuff back so bad, all they have to do is return the SP they gained via AUR. It's simple, and fair.

It all depends on if they have the SP gained via boosters revoked. If not, then they are gaining 100% SP boost instead of 50%, and 50% is already pretty steep as is.

That's not even including the advantage of using AUR gear to get SP faster and take advantage of the SP soft cap.

If people want their stuff back so bad, all they have to do is return the SP they gained via AUR. It's simple, and fair.

As i have stated before, jealusy is very unbecomming. Cry to Ccp about fairness Mr Fiend (lol carebear)

Your opinions, feelings and trolls have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Why do you think you (a random Ccp apologist) can introduce conditions onto the merc pack terms?

No, you guys are the ones attempting to twist the language to your advantage. A refund of AUR should mean a refund of SP gained via AUR. Just like AFKing though, I don't expect you guys to get it.

When people say "Cry to CCP" or "Take it up with CCP", what exactly do you people think these forums are for?

BS.

The people want CCP to live up to the letter of the contract they entered into when they sold the merc pack. Nothing more, nothing less.

If anyone gains anything because of the contract that CCP had written, then that is on CCP, not the people who bought a pack.

Wrong section...

This is "General Discussion", nothing is in the wrong section until it's moved elsewhere

Bacon!

Well if ya don't take it serious, nobody will get ****.

Sorry, but few would actually care about this "issue" if people didn't realize they have something to gain from it. If CCP promised a SP reset and then changed their mind then no one would be complaining.

Baal Roo is probably one of the few people who actually cares about the issue itself and not would he would gain from it.

How about: you all shut up and wait for ccp to write dev blog about this? Or that makes too much sense to you all...

I pointed this out in an another thread SP is not an item as it has no tangible value outside of time and effort so saying that CCP can substitute the SP already accrued while using the booster as an item is flawed logic.
I agree any item's that have not been used up do not need to be refunded I have not seen anyone say they want double item's just upon CR that the merc pack's be refunded to the original amount ie 50 locus grenades 50 shotgun's 50 hacked Drop Uplinks 40,000 Aurum and any 30-day booster's that have been used per merc pack.
I have not seen anyone request double the BPO's either so unless you deleted a character who happened to have a Dragonfly and Toxin on it those do not need to be refunded either but if you did then yes those should be returned upon CR.

Finally all these topic's are moot at the moment as we have not entered Commercial Release and CCP have yet to make a statement regarding refund's.
I strongly encourage everyone to just relax and wait till we actually receive word on what the final decision regarding refund's is as all these different topic's are just speculation by the player base and just cause more harm than good

It would seem that I could invert your assumption and say that the only reason that you lot are against people getting what they paid for is because you feel it would be unfair to you.

Nah, I'm against it because people are being annoying kittens about it. CR has not happened yet, so I'm not sure why people are getting their torches and pitchforks ready so early. For all They know CR will be in a year, what' the point of having 50+ threads on this subject right now?

Sloth nobody is forcing you to read said threads. Nobody is forcing yall to be cunts towards people who want what they payed for either.

How is this troll thread not locked?

Getting a written confirmation that CCP intends to honour the agreement is important to people. It has been for many months now.

It is people who went trolling for a general reset that started the panic that caused all the people concerned about their SP to come out of the woodwork. That isn't the fault of the people wanting what they paid for.

Okay, okay, SP isn't something tangible, but neo assault suits are right? So tell me how many of those equals the worth of a 30 day booster and the Aurum included in the pack?

Nobody is forcing people to start these annoying threads either. Like I said, why are these threads popping up now? Especially since CCP said a while ago that they were in fact working on a reimbursement program, Eterne even repeated it today, and still these stupid threads go on...

Eterne has said that they are working on a reimbursement program, seems good enough to me. At least good enough to get people to shut up for a while.

Well let's see 40,000 Aurum plus 28,000(value CCP placed on the 30 day booster)

So 40,000+28,000=68,000 Neo Vk.0 160 arum so 68,000/160=425 neo Vk.0 suits

But in reality if your trying to go the item of equal value route you could only count the 30 booster as the Aurum is currency and not an item so then it would be 28,000/160= 175

You still seem to be clicking on all those annoying threads. What the hell? Just say no fella.

Devs say a lot of things. Not all of them come to fruition. Given how CCP has a bad habit of seemingly forgetting aboutr things they have promised to deliver, holding their feet to the fire seems to be the only way of getting a response.

They fact that it has come to this much of a mess before CCP finally gets off their backside to deal with it is not a good sign at all.

I'm bored bro, it's this or... well, y'know what the internet is for

Wana see my what my merc packs?

You high? And I don't want to see your Yugioh cards either!

Ugh did the joke go over your head? Or is your response a joke and it weant over mine?

Nah, I'm against it because people are being annoying kittens about it. CR has not happened yet, so I'm not sure why people are getting their torches and pitchforks ready so early. For all They know CR will be in a year, what' the point of having 50+ threads on this subject right now?