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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:43:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Drud Green wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:How does people getting what they paid for ruin things for anyone else? It all depends on if they have the SP gained via boosters revoked. If not, then they are gaining 100% SP boost instead of 50%, and 50% is already pretty steep as is. That's not even including the advantage of using AUR gear to get SP faster and take advantage of the SP soft cap. If people want their stuff back so bad, all they have to do is return the SP they gained via AUR. It's simple, and fair. As i have stated before, jealusy is very unbecomming. Cry to Ccp about fairness Mr Fiend (lol carebear) Your opinions, feelings and trolls have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Why do you think you (a random Ccp apologist) can introduce conditions onto the merc pack terms? When people say "Cry to CCP" or "Take it up with CCP", what exactly do you people think these forums are for?
Wrong section... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:47:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:No, you guys are the ones attempting to twist the language to your advantage. A refund of AUR should mean a refund of SP gained via AUR. Just like AFKing though, I don't expect you guys to get it.
BS. The people want CCP to live up to the letter of the contract they entered into when they sold the merc pack. Nothing more, nothing less. If anyone gains anything because of the contract that CCP had written, then that is on CCP, not the people who bought a pack. Sorry, but few would actually care about this "issue" if people didn't realize they have something to gain from it. If CCP promised a SP reset and then changed their mind then no one would be complaining.
Baal Roo is probably one of the few people who actually cares about the issue itself and not would he would gain from it. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:48:00 -
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How about: you all shut up and wait for ccp to write dev blog about this? Or that makes too much sense to you all... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:49:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Wrong section...
This is "General Discussion", nothing is in the wrong section until it's moved elsewhere
Bacon! |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
138
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:56:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Wrong section...
This is "General Discussion", nothing is in the wrong section until it's moved elsewhere Bacon!
Well if ya don't take it serious, nobody will get ****. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:59:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Wrong section...
This is "General Discussion", nothing is in the wrong section until it's moved elsewhere Bacon! Well if ya don't take it serious, nobody will get ****. I'm semi new here, not really, I thought the correct place to post serious threads was in the feedback section, I'm just going with the flow |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
317
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:01:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote: Sorry, but few would actually care about this "issue" if people didn't realize they have something to gain from it. If CCP promised a SP reset and then changed their mind then no one would be complaining.
Baal Roo is probably one of the few people who actually cares about the issue itself and not would he would gain from it.
I have nothing to gain from the merc pack scenario.
I do want CCP to abide by their contracts though.
I am also quite troubled by how long it has taken for something like this to be resolved.
It would seem that I could invert your assumption and say that the only reason that you lot are against people getting what they paid for is because you feel it would be unfair to you.
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
317
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:02:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:How about: you all shut up and wait for ccp to write dev blog about this? Or that makes too much sense to you all...
I am sure that blog will be right after the suit blog.
That one is only a month late, so I am sure that this four month old issue will be handled promptly. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:03:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:Smots Ju-Kyu wrote:I think it's interesting that alot of the people demanding a refund of the merc pack items conveniently fail to mention the second to last sentence in the pre open beta merc pack description which states: "CCP cannot guarantee that all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value"Full Merc Pack Agreement can be seen here Guess what? The items of similar value that you will be getting is the SP you have earned using the boosters, consumables, and aur. Any AUR/Consumables/Boosters that you still haven't used from your merc packs will not be refunded, because you still have them. I pointed this out in an another thread SP is not an item as it has no tangible value outside of time and effort so saying that CCP can substitute the SP already accrued while using the booster as an item is flawed logic. I agree any item's that have not been used up do not need to be refunded I have not seen anyone say they want double item's just upon CR that the merc pack's be refunded to the original amount ie 50 locus grenades 50 shotgun's 50 hacked Drop Uplinks 40,000 Aurum and any 30-day booster's that have been used per merc pack. I have not seen anyone request double the BPO's either so unless you deleted a character who happened to have a Dragonfly and Toxin on it those do not need to be refunded either but if you did then yes those should be returned upon CR. Finally all these topic's are moot at the moment as we have not entered Commercial Release and CCP have yet to make a statement regarding refund's. I strongly encourage everyone to just relax and wait till we actually receive word on what the final decision regarding refund's is as all these different topic's are just speculation by the player base and just cause more harm than good Okay, okay, SP isn't something tangible, but neo assault suits are right? So tell me how many of those equals the worth of a 30 day booster and the Aurum included in the pack? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
884
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:07:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote: It would seem that I could invert your assumption and say that the only reason that you lot are against people getting what they paid for is because you feel it would be unfair to you.
Nah, I'm against it because people are being annoying kittens about it. CR has not happened yet, so I'm not sure why people are so early. For all They know CR will be in a year, what' the point of having 50+ threads on this subject? |
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Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:20:00 -
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Sloth nobody is forcing you to read said threads. Nobody is forcing yall to be kittens towards people who want what they payed for either.
How is this troll thread not locked? |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
317
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:21:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote: Nah, I'm against it because people are being annoying kittens about it. CR has not happened yet, so I'm not sure why people are getting their torches and pitchforks ready so early. For all They know CR will be in a year, what' the point of having 50+ threads on this subject right now?
Getting a written confirmation that CCP intends to honour the agreement is important to people. It has been for many months now.
It is people who went trolling for a general reset that started the panic that caused all the people concerned about their SP to come out of the woodwork. That isn't the fault of the people wanting what they paid for. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
885
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:26:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Sloth nobody is forcing you to read said threads. Nobody is forcing yall to be cunts towards people who want what they payed for either.
How is this troll thread not locked? Nobody is forcing people to start these annoying threads either. Like I said, why are these threads popping up now? Especially since CCP said a while ago that they were in fact working on a reimbursement program, Eterne even repeated it today, and still these stupid threads go on... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
885
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:30:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:
Getting a written confirmation that CCP intends to honour the agreement is important to people. It has been for many months now.
Eterne has said that they are working on a reimbursement program, seems good enough to me. At least good enough to get people to shut up for a while.
Quote:It is people who went trolling for a general reset that started the panic that caused all the people concerned about their SP to come out of the woodwork. That isn't the fault of the people wanting what they paid for.
No one is free of blame in this mess, no one except Bacon. |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
241
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:33:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Calgoth Reborn wrote:Smots Ju-Kyu wrote:I think it's interesting that alot of the people demanding a refund of the merc pack items conveniently fail to mention the second to last sentence in the pre open beta merc pack description which states: "CCP cannot guarantee that all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value"Full Merc Pack Agreement can be seen here Guess what? The items of similar value that you will be getting is the SP you have earned using the boosters, consumables, and aur. Any AUR/Consumables/Boosters that you still haven't used from your merc packs will not be refunded, because you still have them. I pointed this out in an another thread SP is not an item as it has no tangible value outside of time and effort so saying that CCP can substitute the SP already accrued while using the booster as an item is flawed logic. I agree any item's that have not been used up do not need to be refunded I have not seen anyone say they want double item's just upon CR that the merc pack's be refunded to the original amount ie 50 locus grenades 50 shotgun's 50 hacked Drop Uplinks 40,000 Aurum and any 30-day booster's that have been used per merc pack. I have not seen anyone request double the BPO's either so unless you deleted a character who happened to have a Dragonfly and Toxin on it those do not need to be refunded either but if you did then yes those should be returned upon CR. Finally all these topic's are moot at the moment as we have not entered Commercial Release and CCP have yet to make a statement regarding refund's. I strongly encourage everyone to just relax and wait till we actually receive word on what the final decision regarding refund's is as all these different topic's are just speculation by the player base and just cause more harm than good Okay, okay, SP isn't something tangible, but neo assault suits are right? So tell me how many of those equals the worth of a 30 day booster and the Aurum included in the pack?
Well let's see 40,000 Aurum plus 28,000(value CCP placed on the 30 day booster)
So 40,000+28,000=68,000 Neo Vk.0 160 arum so 68,000/160=425 neo Vk.0 suits
But in reality if your trying to go the item of equal value route you could only count the 30 booster as the Aurum is currency and not an item so then it would be 28,000/160= 175 |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:35:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Drud Green wrote:Sloth nobody is forcing you to read said threads. Nobody is forcing yall to be cunts towards people who want what they payed for either.
How is this troll thread not locked? Nobody is forcing people to start these annoying threads either. Like I said, why are these threads popping up now? Especially since CCP said a while ago that they were in fact working on a reimbursement program, Eterne even repeated it today, and still these stupid threads go on...
Do you think so many threads would appear if we didn't have to try and defend our rights as consumers from all the trolls here?
Look at how many refund ***** have posted 'no refund for you!'
You still seem to be clicking on all those annoying threads. What the hell? Just say no fella.
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
317
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:38:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote: Eterne has said that they are working on a reimbursement program, seems good enough to me. At least good enough to get people to shut up for a while.
Devs say a lot of things. Not all of them come to fruition. Given how CCP has a bad habit of seemingly forgetting aboutr things they have promised to deliver, holding their feet to the fire seems to be the only way of getting a response.
They fact that it has come to this much of a mess before CCP finally gets off their backside to deal with it is not a good sign at all. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
885
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:38:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote: Well let's see 40,000 Aurum plus 28,000(value CCP placed on the 30 day booster)
So 40,000+28,000=68,000 Neo Vk.0 160 arum so 68,000/160=425 neo Vk.0 suits
But in reality if your trying to go the item of equal value route you could only count the 30 booster as the Aurum is currency and not an item so then it would be 28,000/160= 175
I meant the STD Neo, not the Proto. But +1 for actually doing the math. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
885
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:39:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:
You still seem to be clicking on all those annoying threads. What the hell? Just say no fella.
I'm bored bro, it's this or... well, y'know what the internet is for |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
885
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:42:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Sloth9230 wrote: Eterne has said that they are working on a reimbursement program, seems good enough to me. At least good enough to get people to shut up for a while. Devs say a lot of things. Not all of them come to fruition. Given how CCP has a bad habit of seemingly forgetting aboutr things they have promised to deliver, holding their feet to the fire seems to be the only way of getting a response. They fact that it has come to this much of a mess before CCP finally gets off their backside to deal with it is not a good sign at all. There is such a thing as demanding their rights as a customer without resorting to spamming the forums. |
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Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:45:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Drud Green wrote:
You still seem to be clicking on all those annoying threads. What the hell? Just say no fella.
I'm bored bro, it's this or... well, y'know what the internet is for
Wana see my what my merc packs? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
885
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Posted - 2013.04.16 05:48:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Drud Green wrote:
You still seem to be clicking on all those annoying threads. What the hell? Just say no fella.
I'm bored bro, it's this or... well, y'know what the internet is for Wana see my what my merc packs? You high? And I don't want to see your Yugioh cards either! |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.04.16 06:00:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Drud Green wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Drud Green wrote:
You still seem to be clicking on all those annoying threads. What the hell? Just say no fella.
I'm bored bro, it's this or... well, y'know what the internet is for Wana see my what my merc packs? You high? And I don't want to see your Yugioh cards either!
Yes a bit. Ugh did the joke go over your head? Or is your response a joke and it weant over mine?
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
885
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Posted - 2013.04.16 06:03:00 -
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Drud Green wrote: Ugh did the joke go over your head? Or is your response a joke and it weant over mine?
No idea |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.04.16 06:06:00 -
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Pure Win |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1144
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:11:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote: It would seem that I could invert your assumption and say that the only reason that you lot are against people getting what they paid for is because you feel it would be unfair to you.
Nah, I'm against it because people are being annoying kittens about it. CR has not happened yet, so I'm not sure why people are getting their torches and pitchforks ready so early. For all They know CR will be in a year, what' the point of having 50+ threads on this subject right now?
If you actually take a closer look, most of the threads were started by people against the refund.
This has been an ongoing question that comes up over and over for months, but there's a newfound fervor against people getting the refund as people mistakenly assume Commercial Release is upon us. As always CCP can't seem to communicate even basic ideas to their playerbase.
Is it possible, being that their offices are in Iceland and shanghai, that some of this bad communication and conflicting information could be due to a language barrier? |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1365
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:32:00 -
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I am locking this topic for being redundant. We've already covered this in plenty of other threads. |
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