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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 21:36:00 -
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Illuminaughty-696 wrote:SmileB4Death wrote:I don't understand what their complaining about. They want free Aurum?.. No. The merc packs originally stated that they would be refunded every SP reset AND upon commercial release. Some people purchased them without reading them. Many, such as myself, took the time to read what we were buying and only purchased the packs on that understanding.(further spending AUR in game based on the understanding it would be refunded on commercial release). Originally, before people QQ'ed about SP resets all day every day and CCP caved and stated there would be no more SP resets, this would not have been an issue as an SP reset and a merc pack refund would have happened upon commercial release. Now we're here. CCP is in the unenviable position of having to decide to enact the something catastrophic clause and reset everyone's SP on commercial release, violating the purchase agreement wherein it was clearly stated the merc packs would be refunded on commercial release (despite there now no longer being a planned SP reset), or trying to find some compromise that doesn't still get them sued. This is a catastrophe of their own making albeit influenced by all the people that threatened to quit the game if an SP reset happened. Perfect example of the SP reset QQ mentality: Zekain Kade wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:If they do a reset to 0 sp??
Then screw this game. Unfortunately that might happen if people keep bitching. They'll destroy thus game over an outdated deal. Yeah, it'll destroy this game. Hyperbolic much? I'd love to have you as a customer. You clearly believe it's okay to not deliver on what is paid for once it is 'outdated' by a whole three months.
"Deliver on what is paid for"
You have no idea what you are talking about.
All CCP has to do is say: once we finish 45 builds of Dust 514 expansions and content upgrades then we feel that the game will be ready for commercial release on the Playstation Five *
*unless further upgrades and content expansions delay our commercial release until the Playstation Six is released**
**unless further upgrades and content expansions delay our commercial release until the Playstation Seven is released***
***unless further upgrades and content expansions delay our commercial release until the Playstation Eight is released****
****unless further upgrades and content expansions delay our commercial release until the Playstation Nine is released*****
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Tiel Syysch
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.15 21:53:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:1. Disputes must go through arbitration rather than filed in court 2. Disputes that are filed in small claims court (where something over a $20 merc pack would end up) are not subject to these requirements What was the point of highlighting that section? People were saying they were going to go to court which as long as you accept the tos you waive your rights to sue them. Btw this was added about a year ago.
You obviously didn't read the ToS or my post. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:47:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:SmileB4Death wrote:I don't understand what their complaining about. They want free Aurum?.. We paid for a set of Merc Pack items at commercial release. Commercial release hasn't happened yet. It's that simple. slypie11 wrote:me neither. They still get to keep everything they bought with Aurum right? Yes, but we haven't GOTTEN everything we bought yet. One final refund of all Merc Pack items is due to us at commercial release.
No you didnt you bought them in the beta, closed or open its still buying them in the beta and you knew this, we wasnt buying for commercial release we were buying them because we wanted them now and to use them now
Yes we have, every merc pack i have bought i have got all the items and the AUR included in the merc pack, with the AUR i bought boosters and got to 8.5mil SP
If you want your refund at commercial release then expect to go back to square 0 and have your player be completely wiped of everything
For me i will be fine because i dont want a refund so i get to keep my player and everything they have |
Mortedeamor
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:52:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:If they do a reset to 0 sp??
Then screw this game.
people need to stop whining when push comes to shove anyone who spent aur did so to get where they are ..me im in the 8 mill club and ide be extremely upset if i had to get to that point for like the 2nd or 3rd time since this beta started ...they will enable asset transfer next build if your changing your specialization and you has a huge inv you cant use anymore sell it |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:52:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:1. Disputes must go through arbitration rather than filed in court 2. Disputes that are filed in small claims court (where something over a $20 merc pack would end up) are not subject to these requirements What was the point of highlighting that section? People were saying they were going to go to court which as long as you accept the tos you waive your rights to sue them. Btw this was added about a year ago. Court? Why?
Just do a credit card charge back. No waiver applies.
People need to read up on their credit card T&Cs. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:09:00 -
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1. DUST has covered in its EULA that nobody has rights to "their" content as defined within the context of the beta.
- This is a perfectly valid example when CCP decide to reset/delete/not credit back content you aquired within the game client through normal gameplay or use of the in-game marketplace. Unfortunately, it DOESN'T apply to the external purchase of a Merc Pack. That's covered as a purchase agreement and not performed within the DUST client, and is therefore not subject to the limitations applied by the EULA.
2. Sony terms of service claim "arbitration" is the only valid option.
- To quote the referenced portion of the agreement:
Quote:The term "Dispute" means any dispute, claim, or controversy between you and any Sony Entity regarding any SEN First Party Services
FIRST PARTY services, meaning that DUST, which is a third-party product made by someone other than Sony, is totally independent of this clause anyway, and thus not bound by it.
- Even if DUST was covered by that portion of the agreement, this part would apply:
Quote:Exclusions from Arbitration. YOU AND THE SONY ENTITIES AGREE THAT ANY CLAIM FILED BY YOU OR BY A SONY ENTITY IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE ARBITRATION TERMS CONTAINED IN THIS SECTION 17.
Take it to small claims court, arbitration doesn't apply.
Also, this particular version of the agreement is only valid for US accounts, and EU and other regions are covered by different agreements that were written on different dates and specify different conditions, many of which are far more limited because of various local laws which prevent certain clauses in the agreements from applying in some countries. |
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