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Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:00:00 -
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It took me a while to figure this one out and IF I am wrong, so be it.
CCP why does each grenade types explosion have the SAME explosion Animation?
As I am curious how a grenade with the splash damage of 7.2 meters looks the same exploding in thin air off the ground as one that has only a 6.0meter splash or even the M8 frag type that has only a 3.3 meter splash and I didn't even mention the 9.0 meter blast radius of the Sleek Variant. My mind seems to think there should be some differential visuals in order to understand how they work.... let alone if they are working right.
Just so we are clear, what type of explosion is it, because it is at most (rest assured) not a (7.2 meters ='s 23.622 Foot) Balloon of death, is it a cone (does it go this way > or this <)? When will the device extend in elevation the explosive effect properly and not fall thru the map slighlty?
Shall we continue to discuss, why is there no cavity thukker still when there is still the merc pack item of the Fused Contact locus grenade? |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:37:00 -
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Grenades are working as intended. If you can't get two kills per M1 or Core locus your not good with frags. |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:41:00 -
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mass driver rounds have variety... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:55:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:Grenades are working as intended. If you can't get two kills per M1 or Core locus your not good with frags.
I love the part where you totally didn't read the OP, and skipped straight to trolling.
To the OP, I haven't really payed that kind of attention, so I can't really say whether or not the animations match their description. |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:56:00 -
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Mercs have terrible throwing skills.
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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:57:00 -
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Its called shrapnel |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:00:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:Grenades are working as intended. If you can't get two kills per M1 or Core locus your not good with frags. I love the part where you totally didn't read the OP, and skipped straight to trolling. To the OP, I haven't really payed that kind of attention, so I can't really say whether or not the animations match their description.
Protoman don't even listen to this forum trash. You should of seen some of the threads he posted in II.
Anyways Grenades are working as intended. |
Wakko03
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:34:00 -
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Actually, I have had many problems with grenades.
But to clarify I have gotten 8 with one perfect grenade, and to be honest it is mostly a question of luck, having frag instead of AV when your enemy is not being camped by a cru spawn point and coming up on a group of them.
Fine, I say that they are also acting with objects in undesireable ways. I've thrown grenades at someone hiding behind a box/crate, hit them with a cooked grenade had it fall on the top of the cargo crate, distance to the enemy - mere inches away; on the edge of the lone crate (realize that it didn't fall off beccause it hit them and there was no room for it to fall off the edge of the crate)off the top of the small-ish crate to the enemy attempting to cower behind it for cover..... splash damage is supposed to be 7.2 meters .... so tell me how the enemy took no damage, not even reduced damage but NONE? He was looking over the top of the crate from a crouched position, almost perfectly head high. The next grenade thrown landed in the same place next to them, but on the ground and sent the body flying thru the air.
The same thing goes for hucking them over some walls or thru some doorways.
Then there is the angled wall surfaces that instead of bouncing off results in the grenade falling to the ground, although there are some (wall surfaces) like the velcro hills (next your going to tell me none of the hills or bumps in the game act like velcro and prevent your character from moving properly) that eat the grenade and allow them to pass inside objects.
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dust badger
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:39:00 -
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I chuck a grenade and then GTFO so havent really noticed what they look like |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:01:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:Grenades are working as intended. If you can't get two kills per M1 or Core locus your not good with frags.
reading comprehension ftw 
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loumanchew
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:18:00 -
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I sometimes throw AV grenades at infantry when I want to gain a few seconds to get out of dodge. Psychological warfare works wonders.  |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:52:00 -
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Does it really matters how big of a radius it is, or bigger animation ?
If it goes BOOM, the opponent will either be in or outside of it and it won't matter how big the animation gets.
Its not like he can see the M carved into the M8 Grenade and think OW F*CK have to RUN!!!
What does matter is if the animations ARE bigger we get worse FPS drops then what we get already, when 16 berries toss their grenades wildly at the front of the battle..
Also i doubt you are an expert on exploding grenades unless you had one go off in your face IRL. :p |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:55:00 -
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loumanchew wrote:I sometimes throw AV grenades at infantry when I want to gain a few seconds to get out of dodge. Psychological warfare works wonders.
I always realise to late i am carrying AV nades at the time, just get mowed over by a Lav, spawn with AV nades, Lav nowhere to be seen you circle towards the opponent and OMGAWD!! there 8 redberries packed all ontop of each other +NADE NOAW!!!!
/Tosses AV grenade
/Performs Heavy Duty FacePalm
/Gets mowed down by trolling Lav
*FUUUUUUUUUUU*
Sad part of the story it Happened ... |
dust badger
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:01:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:loumanchew wrote:I sometimes throw AV grenades at infantry when I want to gain a few seconds to get out of dodge. Psychological warfare works wonders. I always realise to late i am carrying AV nades at the time, just get mowed over by a Lav, spawn with AV nades, Lav nowhere to be seen you circle towards the opponent and OMGAWD!! there 8 redberries packed all ontop of each other +NADE NOAW!!!! /Tosses AV grenade /Performs Heavy Duty FacePalm /Gets mowed down by trolling Lav *FUUUUUUUUUUU* Sad part of the story it Happened ...
haha done this so many times |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:37:00 -
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First thing: There are no "frag" grenades, they're Locus grenades, which don't function that much like their real-world equivalent.
Secondly, the animations probably do need some tweaking (or scaling).
And finally, I personally think the damage issues are probably terrain-based - the grenade might be clipping partway into terrain, and registering the upward blast as coming from below ground level, thus getting blocked by the terrain even though that makes no sense by any coherent version of real-world physics. Related to this is the fact that grenade blasts are most definitely NOT matched to their marked radius, and at best are significantly smaller than stated - I suspect they may be explosion DiAMETER instead of RADIUS, but incorrectly labeled. |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.04.16 16:02:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Does it really matters how big of a radius it is, or bigger animation ?
If it goes BOOM, the opponent will either be in or outside of it and it won't matter how big the animation gets.
Its not like he can see the M carved into the M8 Grenade and think OW F*CK have to RUN!!!
What does matter is if the animations ARE bigger we get worse FPS drops then what we get already, when 16 berries toss their grenades wildly at the front of the battle..
Also i doubt you are an expert on exploding grenades unless you had one go off in your face IRL. :p
Yes, it really does matter IF the INFORMATION CCP says about the grenades is incorrect and is unwilling to answer this relatively simple question. I spent the 1.2 million SP and the 18,000 isk per grenade, that I haven't gotten as salvage.
Hrmm, do I think it is the amount of grenade animations going off at one time or the perchant of most corps to pull out 5 tanks for the fishbowl ambush (non-oms) that creates the lag, and IF the Locus Grenades type are to blame then so be it.... I guess I'll just use precision strikes and have my entire team load out with mass drivers.
If you are experiencing that much framerate drop it probably has something to do with the daily optimization of the server and how long after that you are playing versus the number of people playing that day, add in a smidge of squads being pooled together from around the world, not to mention doing any sort of restocking of suits while in a match, the audio drop out, the idiot in your local on a 5 pages long rant, how many blank emails the other dweebs fire off at you; divided by the last time you reset your ps3.
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek
IT Infotech
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Posted - 2013.04.16 19:19:00 -
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If you pull the pin, that sucker should go off regardless of whether you die in the process of cooking it or not.
That's what needs to fixed in my opinion. |
Lord-of-the-Dreadfort
The Lions Guard
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Posted - 2013.04.16 19:32:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Mercs have terrible throwing skills.
this^^^ |
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