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blue gt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:24:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:If you wipe one single person wipe everyone. Wanna be level then set the bar level.
don't care about level I care about double dipping, If this really is about keeping CCP honest or consumer rights then you would accept the refund with reset. if its about anything else....... |
blue gt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:30:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Tidaen wrote:Agreed with the OP. The 'refund clause' in the merc pack was included to assure players that their purchase would be safe in the event of a reset including the one originally planned for commercial release. Then CCP decided to give the playerbase a big gift and declared that no SP would be reset on release day.
In my way of thinking, CCP's decision to let us keep our SP was a nice action that I will respond to with gratitude and happily release them from their agreement to refund the merc pack upon launch.
For those people who want CCP to refund their merc packs, I will say that you purchased that merc pack at a time when a launch day reset was expected. If you expect CCP to refund your merc pack, then you should also accept the character reset which the 'refund clause' was intended to PROTECT YOU against.
How about this? Why not turn around the idea laid out in the original post. Upon release, have players opt in to waive their refund in return for avoiding a character reset. This way CCP is honoring their original agreement by default but allowing people to keep their characters if they agree to a modified terms of service.
No, that is not what I meant. Did you even read my OP in detail? There was no mention anywhere in the merc pack that CCP would originally reset your SP in the event of commercial release. Commercial release and reset are two separate things that are mutually exclusive as worded by the merc pack during closed beta. Don't twist my words. Where are people getting this idea that a reset was intended for commercial release?
for as long as I can remember that was the understanding of the entire community before CCP said no more resets. In fact their are entire threads requesting that we should get some sort of benefit upon release as beta testers.
and +1 tidaen. |
blue gt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:33:00 -
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actualy this whole mind set that we should be anything but grateful(or afraid that it will kill the game) that there will not be resets, happened only after people found a nice little loophole in the mercpack wording. thats when this became hostile. |
blue gt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:47:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:blue gt wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:If you wipe one single person wipe everyone. Wanna be level then set the bar level. don't care about level I care about double dipping, If this really is about keeping CCP honest or consumer rights then you would accept the refund with reset. if its about anything else....... Just cuz? Seriously, why would we want to get unfairly reset just to receive the stuff we bought? I don't understand your "logic". Will this be your position on any offer CCP puts up that you think is "unfair". "Sure, you can buy an Armored Pack, but you only get half the tanks unless you take a reset. Which isn't mentioned until after you buy it." wouldn't want to be "unfair" or "double dip" amirite?
you did receive the stuff you bought and you spent it, every thing you did with that gear will have a consequence in the release you would have gotten twice the gear and twice the benefit with out a reset.
This stupid belief that the wording meant anything other the a release day reset only came about when ccp said that was not the case.
this is my point no one would accept these terms, the only reasonable ones, unless they were truly being altruistic and not trying to double dip and in the case of the latter YOU CAN GO **** YOUR SELF!
you know what **** it CCP tell these guys they can have their refund and reset every one ****** IF I CARE I would rather have that then a victory for these **** gobbling self righteous/serving ass hats that would abuse technicalities just because they can. just give me a way to op out of that refund. |
blue gt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.16 03:28:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:Illuminaughty-696 wrote:Ryder Azorria wrote:Firstly you have questionable legal grounds at best for demanding a refund, gotta love that EULA (you signed away your consumer rights with regards to in game items and currency - in case you forgot to read the legally binding document before signing it ). Secondly, even if CCP is legally obligated to give you your stuff back, they still have the legal right to destroy your existing stuff first, again, gotta love that EULA. CCP agreed to a purchase agreement that stated the merc pack would be refunded upon commercial release.. However, yes, they could delete anyone's character,. EULAs attempt to argue you have no rights to any of the 'virtual' property, but plenty of EULA's have had clauses proven unenforceable and voidable in court. The entire virtual property concept is relatively new and its legal implications are still being determined. Would it hold up in court? The at times obnoxious thing about the legal system in many places today is that i the end result is not always what it could or should logically be, especially when dealing with such novel concepts as virtual property with real world value. Regardless, the damage CCP would do to their image as a corporation that can be trusted and deserve to be supported would not be insignificant if they took the approach you suggest. They would be walking the same path as EA, now synonomous with bad customer service, horrible incomplete games, and screwing over their customer base. Unlike EA, CCP has a solid reputation that they should and likely will seek to maintain. Deleting characters of paying customers simply for expecting what they paid for would do as much, if not more damage, than any court case. I'm not even sure why I'm arguing these points in the forums except CCP has shown they can sometimes consider all the QQ in these forums far too much and if more sane, less idiotic viewpoints aren't offered then all CCP sees is the idiocy many spew herein. Putting any legal stuff aside for now, you seem to have conveniently skipped over the part where you you have no Moral right to demand a second, free, merc pack. Basically YOU HAVE ALREADY GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR - YOU PAID FOR A MERC PACK (or whatever) AND YOU GOT A MERC PACK, UNLESS CCP DOES SOMETHING TO REMOVE SAID MERC PACK, YOU SHOULD NOT GET ANOTHER. Caps lock used in an attempt to make it sink in, but alas, some people are simply immune to logic.
oh god now youve done it brought morality and ethics into it, but it is a good point, it is ethically unsound far more so then CCP not refunding the packs on release, in fact one could say it would be more unethical for CCP to refund the packs then to not, as they would be giving a advantage to closed beta testers over open beta testers.
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