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Harkon Vysarii wrote:

undeadsoldier90 wrote:

Harkon Vysarii wrote:

Just so you know with the given SP from the start of the game plus even a little bit of effort you can actually have a decent suits down in a matter of hours.

With the initial 250k you can get-

Assault Rifle Operation III- Yay you have the GEK (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT WEAPON IMBALANCE!)
Weaponry III- YAYA you have enchanced damage mods (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT DAMAGE MODS)
with a slight bit of grinding
Racial Dropsuit II- Yeah you have a decent drop suit.

Now knowing this how can you complain about being taken out by better weapons and drop suits when you already have those things from the get go?

E,G- Caldari Assault Suit II= Unlocks Type II suits for shield tanking which for new players will increase survivability two fold
Assault Rilfe Operation III and Weaponry III= you shoudl be on par with other players weapons now

Now after this you can specc any which way you like and can grind for ISK and SP very easily.

How can you complain when CCP gives you everything you need to be competitive?

NO! This is all wrong. Noobs please put all of your sp into scrambler pistols, lavs, swarms, and endurance/vigor...... then proceed to murder taxi in a militia heavy with proto sscramblers.... game over you win dust.

Um so should I be telling them to max Heavy Nova Knife builds?

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Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 154	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:52:00 - [1] - Quote Just so you know with the given SP from the start of the game plus even a little bit of effort you can actually have a decent suits down in a matter of hours. With the initial 250k you can get- Assault Rifle Operation III- Yay you have the GEK (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT WEAPON IMBALANCE!) Weaponry III- YAYA you have enchanced damage mods (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT DAMAGE MODS) with a slight bit of grinding Racial Dropsuit II- Yeah you have a decent drop suit. Now knowing this how can you complain about being taken out by better weapons and drop suits when you already have those things from the get go? E,G- Caldari Assault Suit II= Unlocks Type II suits for shield tanking which for new players will increase survivability two fold Assault Rilfe Operation III and Weaponry III= you shoudl be on par with other players weapons now Now after this you can specc any which way you like and can grind for ISK and SP very easily. How can you complain when CCP gives you everything you need to be competitive?
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 154	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:56:00 - [2] - Quote Addendum- You can also pick up any weapon operation skill with minimal effort after this seeing as you will still be in week 1 of your SP gathering cycle so with that in mind other skill worthing looking at are CORE SKILLS Shield Boost Systems Shield Enhancments Shield Control Armour Enchancements Field Mechanics Armour Repair Systems Laser Rifle Operation Sniper Rifle Operation Combat Engineering These are all ungodly useful get them soon and you will see a huge difference after week 1 of gameplay.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:03:00 - [3] - Quote It is of human nature to complain. It is of human nature in it-¦s early years, to complain even more.
Goon ReGnUM Immobile Infantry 28	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:16:00 - [4] - Quote This is some of the worst advice ever. Bad players need to STFU, and stop passing on their bad habits. *Once again this thread proves that the forums hurt more then help new players.
HIV in yourHAV Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:19:00 - [5] - Quote Bad thread gives bad advice.
Soldier of Mawat Amat Al'Mawat Militia 36	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:22:00 - [6] - Quote Sure you can have the gek and a type 2 assault suit in the first week, but there is no way a new player will have the isk to run that suit consistently.
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Legacy Rising 299	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:26:00 - [7] - Quote Circuitry? Field Mechanics? Combat Engineering? How did those get missed but you council someone to GEK it up right out of the gate? They would be better off investing those GEK SP right into weaponry to get the 10% applied to all his weapons, instead of whatever bump the GEK can get. Core skills, core skills, core skills. They have that name for a reason.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 155	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:49:00 - [8] - Quote I ran it first week after grinding isk. This game isnt that difficult you just need someone to show you how to do things. I fail to see how this is bad advice.... Im suggesting one way of speccing yourself to be reasonably competitive within a short amount of time. How would you guy suggest telling newer player to place thier stats so they dont get put off in the intial three days? I would like to hear. I see all these threads about the game being too hard, or not being able to compete so I tried to suggest ways to get new players stuck and allocate skills. Perhaps I came off all L33t which im most assuredly not which was not my intention to do.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 155	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:52:00 - [9] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Circuitry? Field Mechanics? Combat Engineering? How did those get missed but you council someone to GEK it up right out of the gate? They would be better off investing those GEK SP right into weaponry to get the 10% applied to all his weapons, instead of whatever bump the GEK can get. Core skills, core skills, core skills. They have that name for a reason. This i basically a way to get guys playing the game and being competitive.You could max out those skill quickly off of the bat but you woudlnt have anything better than militia gear. This is just a week 1 suggestion not a How To....
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Legacy Rising 300	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:57:00 - [10] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: This i basically a way to get guys playing the game and being competitive.You could max out those skill quickly off of the bat but you woudlnt have anything better than militia gear. This is just a week 1 suggestion not a How To.... Field mechanics gives you 25% more armor. This is great on every suit and every vehicle you fit, even starter fits. Circuitry and Combat Engineering allow you to fit more items into your basic suits, allowing a brand new player to experiment within the starter fits, and risk very little ISK. Weaponry is almost an automatic starter to level 5. Take a militia assault rifle, add ten percent damage. Congrats, you now have that flat model GEK you were recommending him to buy. Except it is free, has twelve less rounds, and uses less CPU and PG to fit. And think, all you need is 49k SP to get into any of the type one suits. No need to jump to type II right off the hop with no modules, that is a recipe for disaster. Better to learn in starter fits than to be pissing away ISK trying to stay above water in a stripper Assault suit with a GEK. People act like the starter fits are bad, but unless you are facing a proto squad, they are not so bad that you have no chance.

Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 155	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:59:00 - [11] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: This i basically a way to get guys playing the game and being competitive.You could max out those skill quickly off of the bat but you woudlnt have anything better than militia gear. This is just a week 1 suggestion not a How To.... Field mechanics gives you 25% more armor. This is great on every suit and every vehicle you fit, even starter fits. Circuitry and Combat Engineering allow you to fit more items into your basic suits, allowing a brand new player to experiment within the starter fits, and risk very little ISK. Weaponry is almost an automatic starter to level 5. Take a militia assault rifle, add ten percent damage. Congrats, you now have that flat model GEK you were recommending him to buy. Except it is free, has twelve less rounds, and uses less CPU and PG to fit. And think, all you need is 49k SP to get into any of the type one suits. No need to jump to type II right off the hop with no modules, that is a recipe for disaster. Better to learn in starter fits than to be pissing away ISK trying to stay above water in a stripper Assault suit with a GEK. People act like the starter fits are bad, but unless you are facing a proto squad, they are not so bad that you have no chance. Well there you go thats far more constructive.

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 3066	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:19:00 - [12] - Quote Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D

GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Legacy Rising 300	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:22:00 - [13] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D Just give us the list now, I'll crank you out some sweet fits.
Jake Bloodworth DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:23:00 - [14] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D You know, you wouldn't have to wait if you would tell us about all these "changes".
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 275	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:24:00 - [15] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D oooh...on topic question! What's the basic Dropsuit? And why does it have a proto basic? And why does the proto basic costs as much as the other "specialized" proto?
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 156	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:37:00 - [16] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D YUS DEV POST I WIN FOREVERS! Anywho now you are obligated to divulge all you mighty, world changing Dev secrets to these angry thread goers!
undeadsoldier90 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 259	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:59:00 - [17] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Just so you know with the given SP from the start of the game plus even a little bit of effort you can actually have a decent suits down in a matter of hours. With the initial 250k you can get- Assault Rifle Operation III- Yay you have the GEK (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT WEAPON IMBALANCE!) Weaponry III- YAYA you have enchanced damage mods (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT DAMAGE MODS) with a slight bit of grinding Racial Dropsuit II- Yeah you have a decent drop suit. Now knowing this how can you complain about being taken out by better weapons and drop suits when you already have those things from the get go? E,G- Caldari Assault Suit II= Unlocks Type II suits for shield tanking which for new players will increase survivability two fold Assault Rilfe Operation III and Weaponry III= you shoudl be on par with other players weapons now Now after this you can specc any which way you like and can grind for ISK and SP very easily. How can you complain when CCP gives you everything you need to be competitive? NO! This is all wrong. Noobs please put all of your sp into scrambler pistols, lavs, swarms, and endurance/vigor...... then proceed to murder taxi in a militia heavy with proto sscramblers.... game over you win dust.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 157	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:30:00 - [18] - Quote undeadsoldier90 wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Just so you know with the given SP from the start of the game plus even a little bit of effort you can actually have a decent suits down in a matter of hours. With the initial 250k you can get- Assault Rifle Operation III- Yay you have the GEK (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT WEAPON IMBALANCE!) Weaponry III- YAYA you have enchanced damage mods (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT DAMAGE MODS) with a slight bit of grinding Racial Dropsuit II- Yeah you have a decent drop suit. Now knowing this how can you complain about being taken out by better weapons and drop suits when you already have those things from the get go? E,G- Caldari Assault Suit II= Unlocks Type II suits for shield tanking which for new players will increase survivability two fold Assault Rilfe Operation III and Weaponry III= you shoudl be on par with other players weapons now Now after this you can specc any which way you like and can grind for ISK and SP very easily. How can you complain when CCP gives you everything you need to be competitive? NO! This is all wrong. Noobs please put all of your sp into scrambler pistols, lavs, swarms, and endurance/vigor...... then proceed to murder taxi in a militia heavy with proto sscramblers.... game over you win dust. Um so should I be telling them to max Heavy Nova Knife builds?
ShwerShwerShwer The Marching Mercs 31	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:32:00 - [19] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: undeadsoldier90 wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Just so you know with the given SP from the start of the game plus even a little bit of effort you can actually have a decent suits down in a matter of hours. With the initial 250k you can get- Assault Rifle Operation III- Yay you have the GEK (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT WEAPON IMBALANCE!) Weaponry III- YAYA you have enchanced damage mods (NOW DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT DAMAGE MODS) with a slight bit of grinding Racial Dropsuit II- Yeah you have a decent drop suit. Now knowing this how can you complain about being taken out by better weapons and drop suits when you already have those things from the get go? E,G- Caldari Assault Suit II= Unlocks Type II suits for shield tanking which for new players will increase survivability two fold Assault Rilfe Operation III and Weaponry III= you shoudl be on par with other players weapons now Now after this you can specc any which way you like and can grind for ISK and SP very easily. How can you complain when CCP gives you everything you need to be competitive? NO! This is all wrong. Noobs please put all of your sp into scrambler pistols, lavs, swarms, and endurance/vigor...... then proceed to murder taxi in a militia heavy with proto sscramblers.... game over you win dust. Um so should I be telling them to max Heavy Nova Knife builds? Shh!!!! Don't tell them that secret
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 157	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:33:00 - [20] - Quote This is why I made the thread to cover for our sneaky secret tubbies

GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Legacy Rising 305	Posted - 2013.04.15 03:15:00 - [21] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Um so should I be telling them to max Heavy Nova Knife builds? I got you covered. Heavy A series 2x complex sidearm mods 2x Kinetic catalysts Scrambler pistol(militia for Boss status) Nova knives Get a logi friend to spec out a militia suit with a triage rep tool, and just go to town. They never know what to do when you just charge wildly at them like a bull and pull out blades.
Mr Gloo Gloo What The French CRONOS. 52	Posted - 2013.04.15 08:08:00 - [22] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D Where's the DB ?
Lord-of-the-Dreadfort The Lions Guard 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 08:16:00 - [23] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D Just give us the list now, I'll crank you out some sweet fits. i take it this is the ass end of a build and burn out has been going on for some time? :/ means i will be smacking into walls of insanely over powered weaponry (oh wait, i already have)
Lord-of-the-Dreadfort The Lions Guard 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 08:16:00 - [24] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Um so should I be telling them to max Heavy Nova Knife builds? I got you covered. Heavy A series 2x complex sidearm mods 2x Kinetic catalysts Scrambler pistol(militia for Boss status) Nova knives Get a logi friend to spec out a militia suit with a triage rep tool, and just go to town. They never know what to do when you just charge wildly at them like a bull and pull out blades. bad troll, bad!
Judge Rhadamanthus Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 63	Posted - 2013.04.15 09:52:00 - [25] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D Complaints. Not from me though. If I have opinions they will be : 1) Constructive in essence. 2) Polite in presentation. 3) Respectful in nature. 4) Flavored with bacon.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2054	Posted - 2013.04.15 10:28:00 - [26] - Quote You are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. The fact you put sniper rifles under core skills says it all. You do not pose a threat without weeks of SP, either active or passive. Simple as that.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones 33	Posted - 2013.04.15 10:34:00 - [27] - Quote My advice? Stop running full speed at a redberry and firing your default AR as if that will work. And for the love of God, when you die, don't be so quick to respawn and do the same thing over again. It's bad that you just decided to Chuck Norris a player but even worse that you hit respawn as if your efforts are needed so quickly. No triage can come to your aid because your body is in the bloody middle of a hot zone!!!
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 164	Posted - 2013.04.15 10:46:00 - [28] - Quote okay okay snipers and laser arent core skills but they are very useful skills to have.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2	Posted - 2013.04.15 10:56:00 - [29] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Can't wait to see what you guys come up with after all the skill changes in Uprising! :D Can't wait to see the extensive tutorial you guys come up with for new players in uprising so they don't have to rely on bad information :D
ca ronic Moffit Bros 2	Posted - 2013.04.15 14:32:00 - [30] - Quote Its going to be tough for new players, more so after respec. Type 2 suit and a GEK, with no skills, one merc with maxed skills can take on a dozen of those guys with just a starter fit.

Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 419	Posted - 2013.04.15 14:55:00 - [31] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: This i basically a way to get guys playing the game and being competitive.You could max out those skill quickly off of the bat but you woudlnt have anything better than militia gear. This is just a week 1 suggestion not a How To.... Field mechanics gives you 25% more armor. This is great on every suit and every vehicle you fit, even starter fits. Circuitry and Combat Engineering allow you to fit more items into your basic suits, allowing a brand new player to experiment within the starter fits, and risk very little ISK. Weaponry is almost an automatic starter to level 5. Take a militia assault rifle, add ten percent damage. Congrats, you now have that flat model GEK you were recommending him to buy. Except it is free, has twelve less rounds, and uses less CPU and PG to fit. And think, all you need is 49k SP to get into any of the type one suits. No need to jump to type II right off the hop with no modules, that is a recipe for disaster. Better to learn in starter fits than to be pissing away ISK trying to stay above water in a stripper Assault suit with a GEK. People act like the starter fits are bad, but unless you are facing a proto squad, they are not so bad that you have no chance. Really? Over 300,000 SP in Field Mechanics just to increase your armor by 1 AR bullet if you are an Assault, Scout or Logi....umm, not worth it IMO. If you run heavy or vehicles, then yes, it is worth it. But if you are focusing on being an infantry with an Assault, Scout or Logi suit...waste


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