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Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 112	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:31:00 - [1] - Quote CCP: Reset everyone. All our SP. All our stats. Refund the Aurum we bought. Make us buy the Militia BPOs at the higher price. I don't care anymore. GM's: Please go ahead and lock this thread before people start complaining/trolling/internet lawyering. Just wanted to get a thread out here to express my opinion to reference to later.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 188	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:33:00 - [2] - Quote Please don't reset our characters, let people moan why should the rest of the class be punished because a small group of kids are ********?
Crash Monster Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:33:00 - [3] - Quote No ****! Far too much whining and complaining by kids pretending to be lawyers.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2570	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:35:00 - [4] - Quote It's the month before a new build. This is standard procedure. Carry on.
Icy TIG3R Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 92	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:35:00 - [5] - Quote Well, I was sick and tired of you thread about Scouts being too "feminine" I didn't complain.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 113	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:42:00 - [6] - Quote Icy TIG3R wrote: Well, I was sick and tired of you thread about Scouts being too "feminine" I didn't complain. lolwut? When did I ever say that?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 70	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:46:00 - [7] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Please don't reset our characters, let people moan why should the rest of the class be punished because a small group of kids are ********? ^^This Mods, please lock this thread.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 373	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:51:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah, don't think so OP. I worked hard for all the SP and stuff I have now, no way am I giving it up just so we can get our AUR to use again. If CCP resets us all again, I would likely stop playing. I've been reset enough times already, and am NOT going though it again. I say people who want an AUR refund should get a complete character wipe, and those that don't can keep everything they have. End of debate.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2499	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:51:00 - [9] - Quote We're ALL sick and tired of the Merc Pack debate. But until we get a straight answer from CCP, it's not going away.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1112	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:53:00 - [10] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Yeah, don't think so OP. I worked hard for all the SP and stuff I have now, no way am I giving it up just so we can get our AUR to use again. If CCP resets us all again, I would likely stop playing. I've been reset enough times already, and am NOT going though it again. I say people who want an AUR refund should get a complete character wipe, and those that don't can keep everything they have. End of debate. so, in other words, if you want to actually get the entire contents of the merc pack you purchased, you have to get reset. otherwise, CCP just gets to keep your money without rendering you the stuff you bought. Sounds like blackmail to me. Like Garret said, we're all tired of this debate. If CCP would just give a response to the questions we've been asking since January on this, the threads would stop.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2570	Posted - 2013.04.14 22:54:00 - [11] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: We're ALL sick and tired of the Merc Pack debate. But until we get a straight answer from CCP, it's not going away. Just like AFK, unfortunately =_=
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 113	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:05:00 - [12] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Yeah, don't think so OP. I worked hard for all the SP and stuff I have now, no way am I giving it up just so we can get our AUR to use again. If CCP resets us all again, I would likely stop playing. I've been reset enough times already, and am NOT going though it again. I say people who want an AUR refund should get a complete character wipe, and those that don't can keep everything they have. End of debate. so, in other words, if you want to actually get the entire contents of the merc pack you purchased, you have to get reset. otherwise, CCP just gets to keep your money without rendering you the stuff you bought. Sounds like blackmail to me. Like Garret said, we're all tired of this debate. If CCP would just give a response to the questions we've been asking since January on this, the threads would stop. Hence the solution: Reset everyone. After all they did say if things we catastrophic. At this point the complaining has reached that level. Reset away CCP.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 373	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:05:00 - [13] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Yeah, don't think so OP. I worked hard for all the SP and stuff I have now, no way am I giving it up just so we can get our AUR to use again. If CCP resets us all again, I would likely stop playing. I've been reset enough times already, and am NOT going though it again. I say people who want an AUR refund should get a complete character wipe, and those that don't can keep everything they have. End of debate. so, in other words, if you want to actually get the entire contents of the merc pack you purchased, you have to get reset. otherwise, CCP just gets to keep your money without rendering you the stuff you bought. Sounds like blackmail to me. What are you talking about? Did CCP take the contents of your merc pack and hide it somewhere? Did it magically disappear by the all powerful hand of CCP? No wait, you just used it all... which as a result gained your character SP, ISK, kills, deaths, WP and loot from games that is never going to be reset for the remainder of the games lifetime. Sorry, but you got what you paid for. And until CCP takes those things from you and us, no refund is needed.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1112	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:06:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Baal Roo wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Yeah, don't think so OP. I worked hard for all the SP and stuff I have now, no way am I giving it up just so we can get our AUR to use again. If CCP resets us all again, I would likely stop playing. I've been reset enough times already, and am NOT going though it again. I say people who want an AUR refund should get a complete character wipe, and those that don't can keep everything they have. End of debate. so, in other words, if you want to actually get the entire contents of the merc pack you purchased, you have to get reset. otherwise, CCP just gets to keep your money without rendering you the stuff you bought. Sounds like blackmail to me. What are you talking about? Did CCP take the contents of your merc pack and hide it somewhere? Did it magically disappear by the all powerful hand of CCP? No wait, you just used it all... which as a result gained your character SP, ISK, kills, deaths, WP and loot from games that is never going to be reset for the remainder of the games lifetime. Sorry, but you got what you paid for. And until CCP takes those things from you and us, no refund is needed. I have yet to receive the most important part of the Merc Pack, the part we are to receive at commercial release. I can't use something I haven't gotten yet.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 97	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:08:00 - [15] - Quote Or CCP could just tell us their intentions... we don't even know if a AUR refund was already planned.. They havn't communicated anything to us. The question was asked if we are still getting a refund four months ago.... four months later CCP is still on the "I'll get back to you on that" stage.
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1979	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:09:00 - [16] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: We're ALL sick and tired of the Merc Pack debate. But until we get a straight answer from CCP, it's not going away. Unfortunately I have to agree. Until we get an answer that's as straight as John McCain's straight talk express, this debate will remain ongoing.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2571	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:09:00 - [17] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: I have yet to receive the most important part of the Merc Pack, the part we are to receive at commercial release. I can't use something I haven't gotten yet. We're not near commercial release, so I'm confused why everyone is crying all of a sudden.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1112	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:10:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Baal Roo wrote: I have yet to receive the most important part of the Merc Pack, the part we are to receive at commercial release. I can't use something I haven't gotten yet. We're not near commercial release, so I'm confused why everyone is crying all of a sudden. We've been asking since January, seems lately the CCP White Knights have taken up the cause in defense of CCP's perceived (lack of) honor and want to argue about it.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 972	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:19:00 - [19] - Quote No.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 114	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:31:00 - [20] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: No. Explain why not.

Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 972	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:32:00 - [21] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: No. Explain why not. I'm not grinding out anymore. I'm keeping my ****.
Thog A Kuma Planetary Response Organisation 60	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:50:00 - [22] - Quote We need another thread on the Merc pack reset and how it will or won't affect casual players/hardcore players. Maybe we need one on how this would affect corps vs randoms too. someone get on this please we need more threads!
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 115	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:52:00 - [23] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: No. Explain why not. I'm not grinding out anymore. I'm keeping my **. Except it's not yours to begin with. From the End User License Agreement: "PLEASE NOTE THAT THE VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED TO YOU UNDER THIS EULA IS A BETA VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE, AND THEREFORE: THE FINAL VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND MAY DIFFER FROM THE BETA VERSION PROVIDED TO YOU; CCP RESERVES THE RIGHT TO MAKE CHAGES TO THE BETA VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE IN ITS ABSOLUTE DISCRETION; AND ANY ITEMS, OBJECTS, CURRENCY, CHARACTER ATTRIBUTES, RANK, OR STATUS ATTAINED IN THIS BETA VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE POTENTIALLY MAY NOT BE CARRIED THROUGH TO THE FINAL VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE.** Because, beta right? You are still just a tester. It isn't commercial release.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 115	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:57:00 - [24] - Quote Thog A Kuma wrote: We need another thread on the Merc pack reset and how it will or won't affect casual players/hardcore players. Maybe we need one on how this would affect corps vs randoms too. someone get on this please we need more threads! Please note: Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. This is a thread expressing my opinion so I can discuss with the community at large and would like to discuss my opinion. Normally I wouldn't mind trolling, derailling, and bacon discussions, but I prefer them to stay out of this thread specifically for SRS BZNS purposes.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 860	Posted - 2013.04.14 23:57:00 - [25] - Quote Not enough bacon in this thread... bacon!
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1979	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:00:00 - [26] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1979	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:01:00 - [27] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443 I post this a second time in case you missed it.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 115	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:01:00 - [28] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Not enough bacon in this thread... bacon! Please note: Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. This is a thread expressing my opinion so I can discuss with the community at large and would like to discuss my opinion. Normally I wouldn't mind trolling, derailling, and bacon discussions, but I prefer them to stay out of this thread specifically for SRS BZNS purposes.
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1979	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:01:00 - [29] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443 One more to be sure.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 860	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:04:00 - [30] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Not enough bacon in this thread... bacon! Please note: Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. This is a thread expressing my opinion so I can discuss with the community at large and would like to discuss my opinion. Normally I wouldn't mind trolling, derailling, and bacon discussions, but I prefer them to stay out of this thread specifically for SRS BZNS purposes. Sir, bacon is as serious as it gets.

Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1979	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:08:00 - [31] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443 Have you read this yet? Its important. It has a quote from a dev.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 133	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:12:00 - [32] - Quote well my stance is that do not refund Aur, only refund the Sp and Isk spent on skill books and anyone wanting more AUR is just greedy, yes greedy. if you bought and spent the AUR why do you want it back... makes no sense to me non do i really care. dev/gm please lock this before trolls get to it. btw only read the OP and don't care to make any replies to this thread.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 117	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:13:00 - [33] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443 One more to be sure. What they say and what they do are 2 different things. Yes CCP has said something and followed through by doing that something. However, I believe most of the community can attest to CCP saying 1 thing and doing something else. In some case, they may have NOT said something, and done that something anyways. The bottom line is this: Anything we have done to earn what we have is ENTIRELY UP TO CCP. Everything we have MAY NOT be carried over to commerical release. And WE HAVE NO RIGHT to retain anything from our characters. Considering the "Uprising" in the community about the mercenary pack and creating a catastrophic mess, a reset is the only solution.
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 1980	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:17:00 - [34] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443 One more to be sure. What they say and what they do are 2 different things. Yes CCP has said something and followed through by doing that something. However, I believe most of the community can attest to CCP saying 1 thing and doing something else. In some case, they may have NOT said something, and done that something anyways. The bottom line is this: Anything we have done to earn what we have is ENTIRELY UP TO CCP. Everything we have MAY NOT be carried over to commerical release. And WE HAVE NO RIGHT to retain anything from our characters. Considering the "Uprising" in the community about the mercenary pack and creating a catastrophic mess, a reset is the only solution. Dude. Give it a rest. You are obviously avoiding the facts.
Icy TIG3R Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 94	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:20:00 - [35] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Icy TIG3R wrote: Well, I was sick and tired of you thread about Scouts being too "feminine" I didn't complain. lolwut? When did I ever say that? I'm sorry, I just went full ****** and got you mixed up with someone else lol. My apologies.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 117	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:33:00 - [36] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443 One more to be sure. What they say and what they do are 2 different things. Yes CCP has said something and followed through by doing that something. However, I believe most of the community can attest to CCP saying 1 thing and doing something else. In some case, they may have NOT said something, and done that something anyways. The bottom line is this: Anything we have done to earn what we have is ENTIRELY UP TO CCP. Everything we have MAY NOT be carried over to commerical release. And WE HAVE NO RIGHT to retain anything from our characters. Considering the "Uprising" in the community about the mercenary pack and creating a catastrophic mess, a reset is the only solution. Dude. Give it a rest. You are obviously avoiding the facts. The facts are: CCP Eterne said "We've only said we won't reset your SP to 0. We haven't said anything about not refunding your SP and allowing you to respec. That option is still on the table prior to release if we feel it will be worthwhile." CCP Eterne ALSO said "Just a note, we've said we won't reset skill points to 0 (without a HUGE GIANT CURRENTLY-UNFATHOMABLE reason). There might still conceivably be a time where we reset skill point allocation." (Granted, this was an earlier post. CCP Eterne finally had to sticky this and say "We have been getting a lot of questions about Skill Point resets lately. In order to help everyone find this information, here is CCP's official stance on resetting skill points. We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic." There are numerous threads talking about wanting a merc pack refund. Many of them have concerns, many want extra Aurum, many are threatening lawsuits. You can find them here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here (this one is references the DEV sticky), and here. Maken Tosch, I've run with you before. I like you (no-homo) and you have inspired me to run a Nova Knive class in the next build with the impressive Diary you ran about becoming a ninja kniver (knifer?). I would love to give this a rest. I also voice the same voice that Paran Tadec in that I also don't want to have to grind everything again. However, this community has complained. It has done so to the point where I believe CCP may reach for the big red button labeled "Catastrophic". While I'm sad to see this, I believe we have forced onto CCP the one and only solution they have left. A reset.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 117	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:35:00 - [37] - Quote Icy TIG3R wrote: Kaze Eyrou wrote: Icy TIG3R wrote: Well, I was sick and tired of you thread about Scouts being too "feminine" I didn't complain. lolwut? When did I ever say that? I'm sorry, I just went full **** and got you mixed up with someone else lol. My apologies. You just went full **? NEVER go full ****... (It's no problem. Water under the bridge. )
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Legacy Rising 300	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:43:00 - [38] - Quote Honestly, I would vote for a rest now just to watch all those pubstars scream. Seems like the best way to level the playing field before PC. Just run a wipe through, burn it all down and give us all 10 days to get our corps reformed and get to fighting. Just make sure those of us who bought merc packs early get our couple of days head start. Oh, and our items bro.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 117	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:47:00 - [39] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Honestly, I would vote for a rest now just to watch all those pubstars scream. Seems like the best way to level the playing field before PC. Just run a wipe through, burn it all down and give us all 10 days to get our corps reformed and get to fighting. Just make sure those of us who bought merc packs early get our couple of days head start. Oh, and our items bro. At this point I agree. Run a wipe, give us a couple days to reform, allow those who have merc packs to get a couple days head start (though I would also include anyone who bought Aurum as well. Debatable on Tank package or Starter pack, but I really don't want another debate right now...). And yes, I would like to see the items we earned as gifts from the closed beta, the items we get from the merc pack, etc. (Exile, Skinweaves, Dragonfly, etc.)
Second Cerberus Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2013.04.15 00:55:00 - [40] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: However, this community has complained. It has done so to the point where I believe CCP may reach for the big red button labeled "Catastrophic". While I'm sad to see this, I believe we have forced onto CCP the one and only solution they have left. A reset. Kaze, the "community" complains about everything. Seriously, *everything*. If they reset every time there was a complaint, we wouldn't get 10 minutes into a new build. With that said, CCP has left the door open multiple times for at least partial resets or SP reductions, so the "community" can complain all they like, but CCP could do it. May not be popular, but since joining in the beta, I've read "that's EVE" or "welcome to New Eden" at least a 1,000 times so I don't see how this is any different. I have a few merc packs from Beta but don't really have an opinion either way. I used them, I got what I expected from them and I am satisfied. I'm not a fan boy and have never played EVE, that's just how I see it. If someone else expected something different they are welcome to try and get it and good luck to them. However, if CCP is looking for feedback, I would rather see a loss of a few experienced players in the "community" due to discontent than a total reset. The number of players impacted by a reset > the number of players dissatisfied with the merc pack problem. There are solutions without going nuclear on everyone.



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