DUST Search - Why is the sticky about no more SP reset gone ?

Ignoble Son wrote:

ignoble son wrote:

The simple fact is that CCP should never have included "commercial release", in the contract literature, if that is not what the were intending to do. it is miss leading in the extreme, and gives those who were mislead by it a valid argument:

I was not responsible with my money because CCP assured me that I did not have to be until the "commercial release".

There is, legally, only three options that CCP can pursue:

1. Reset all player accounts upon commercial release

This is an option that neither the majority of the player base nor CCP themselves want. I can tell you personall that, if my lifetime skill points is reset to zero again, I will no longer be playing this game, and I am sure that there are many others out there who would feel the same, which is the reason why CCP does not desire this option ether.

2. CCP can offer to reset the accounts of any one who wants a Mercenary Pack credit, however, this is entirely unethical toward those who were genuinely mislead by the language of the purchase contract. If this is the path CCP chooses, I will not choose to have my character reset, but neither will I be leaving the game.

3. CCP can take it on the chin like a real man, cut their losses and give out the credits to every one who bought a Mercinary Pack, as to HONOR the original agreement. I would actually consider it a reward to those who helped CCP develop their game in beta. This seems reasonable, and was, in all honesty, what I interpreted this thing to mean when CCP announced that there will be no further "character resets".

And that's my 20 cents worth. Hope this all in some way helped this debacle to get resolved in a desirable fashion that is agreeable to all parties involved.


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Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 93	Posted - 2013.04.14 20:12:00 - [1] - Quote You're on the ball. About four weeks ago it was edited to include some substantial caveats and about two weeks ago it was deep-sixed. I hope that someone seeks an injunction on the whole thing. I don't care which way.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2013.04.14 21:38:00 - [2] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: ignoble son wrote: The simple fact is that CCP should never have included "commercial release", in the contract literature, if that is not what the were intending to do. it is miss leading in the extreme, and gives those who were mislead by it a valid argument: I was not responsible with my money because CCP assured me that I did not have to be until the "commercial release". There is, legally, only three options that CCP can pursue: 1. Reset all player accounts upon commercial release This is an option that neither the majority of the player base nor CCP themselves want. I can tell you personall that, if my lifetime skill points is reset to zero again, I will no longer be playing this game, and I am sure that there are many others out there who would feel the same, which is the reason why CCP does not desire this option ether. 2. CCP can offer to reset the accounts of any one who wants a Mercenary Pack credit, however, this is entirely unethical toward those who were genuinely mislead by the language of the purchase contract. If this is the path CCP chooses, I will not choose to have my character reset, but neither will I be leaving the game. 3. CCP can take it on the chin like a real man, cut their losses and give out the credits to every one who bought a Mercinary Pack, as to HONOR the original agreement. I would actually consider it a reward to those who helped CCP develop their game in beta. This seems reasonable, and was, in all honesty, what I interpreted this thing to mean when CCP announced that there will be no further "character resets". And that's my 20 cents worth. Hope this all in some way helped this debacle to get resolved in a desirable fashion that is agreeable to all parties involved. I have reported your screed in every thread I see it in. Quit it for goodness sakes.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2013.04.15 09:33:00 - [3] - Quote It seems strange that CCP would provide even LESS information on this whole topic. A good clue about their overall behaviour and intent though.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 100	Posted - 2013.04.15 09:40:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: I unstickied the thread because we're going to have a dev blog on the topic soon which will contain more information than the sticky did. Removed weeks ago for a "dev blog" that will arrive "soon". Seems legit.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 101	Posted - 2013.04.15 09:53:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Three Double-A Batteries wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: I unstickied the thread because we're going to have a dev blog on the topic soon which will contain more information than the sticky did. Removed weeks ago for a "dev blog" that will arrive "soon". Seems legit. Soon (tm). I guess you'll just have to deal with it. It doesn't worry me. It's only CCP's reputation and credibility on the line. All the more supportive of my view that giving CCP money for a game where it's quite clear they aren't running anything like an open beta is far too risky. The foot dragging, silence except for the promises of "soon" should be a warning to all would be customers.
Three Double-A Batteries Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 101	Posted - 2013.04.15 10:08:00 - [6] - Quote blue gt wrote: oh GOD YES that would be amazing id would take the hit on my aur balance and SP just to see all the whining on the forums about how the aur they had was no longer sufficient and how ccp NEEEDs to give them the stuff they bought before at the prices they were before, because THEY'LL SUE!!. You don't need to sue you silly rabbit. You just need to do a credit card chargeback. The onus is entirely on CCP and Sony to prove the customer received goods as per their expectations. It will cost them many, many more times the value of the goods to process the chargeback. There's no assurance that the customer won't win as the burden of evidence is much lower than a court of law. Also, the going in position is that the merchant has to prove it, not the customer. There's no clear customer consensus either. That only tells me that you could argue that the T&C's were poorly applied. Don't forget the CCP and Sony dynamic either. If they start arguments over refunds that could be interesting. I would bet that that is largely in Sony's favor even after a 50/50 split which is the norm. So no need for lawyers, just wait for whatever dodgy PR spun message CCP put out then choose for yourself if you want to exercise your rights as a credit card holder. Yes, I'd consider a chargeback message delivered.