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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:18:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:CCP could say stuff like that as well and also give items away too. But why would they? People know the state of the game we shoudlnt have to be showered with gifts so we say good things. You have it backwards. The guys who made Defiance were giving those rewards out for making mistakes on their part. Not so that people would say nice things. The bigger point here is that a dev came out, apologized for making errors, and offered two patch dates, as well as a reward for their early adopters who had to suffer through the growing pains. That is how a dev takes care of their community, in a open, clear fashion. So yes, CCP could take a hint from them.
Maybe, back when the game was still in closed beta, in an even worse state than it is now (still in beta), CCP should have run events where you could win free stu-
Oh yeah, they already did that.
Maybe now that we're in open beta, CCP should run events where we can get even more free stuff just by playing a few games every da-
Oh. Right. Human Endurance.
Maybe when you look at the fact that DUST is already in a better state than Defiance was on release, it looks like less of an imperative to offer free stuff like they already have and are continuing to do. Or am I somehow magically not correct in pointing out that DUST is still in beta and we're getting more free stuff from CCP than any of the Defiance beta testers? |
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:51:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:What is the obsession with items, as if they are the end all?
I think some of you lot are a little too obsessed with stuff. So much so that you turn my comments, which have almost nothing to do with items of any sort, into a give me more stuff rant, which baffles me.
The funny thing is that those items that we are getting for the event are mostly unusable. I have no SP into anything other than my heavy, and even the heavy week is a joke. So all that stuff is just further numbers on a page. That I can't use or sell, or even give to a friend.
The funny thing is, no one on here would be able to give me any idea when we are getting trading, because the devs are not saying. Just like the rest of what is missing from here.
What are the Defiance devs giving their players as "rewards" for putting up with a botched launch? Stuff? Or some variety of magical "not stuff"?
This thread is showing off that the Defiance devs are giving players stuff. We're pointing out that CCP have given THEIR players MORE stuff. I don't see the point in CCP apologising to us that the beta isn't currently in the state it should be by the time we're no longer in beta. With Defiance, which actually IS no longer in beta, it's reasonable to expect an apology when the game isn't in a state fit for release. It's nice to see, but it would be better to see a game released in a ready-for-release state.
I don't own a magic crystal ball, and if I did, I doubt I'd use it (too many risky side effects), but I'm fairly sure DUST will be in better condition on release than Defiance was.
If there's a valid reason for CCP to apologise after release, I'm actualy pretty sure they'll be apologising.
EDIT: Also, what variety of Heavy fits do you run that don't include Armour Repairers, suits, HMGs or Forge Guns? I can understand being confused by Swarm Launchers, and think with how most players run their Heavies that Laser Rifles would have been a better option, but there aren't many options that go without all those things and still fit the title "Heavy"... |
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Posted - 2013.04.14 12:14:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Armor Repairers? So I should downgrade from my 5 hp/s to 3? This helps me how?
MH-82 Machine Gun? Why? The Boundless is better for tryharding, the standard is better for cost cutting.
9K330 Forge gun? If you think getting this is some sort of prize, you obviously haven't seen enough good forge gunners. Real heavies use Assault Forge Guns, or they suck it up and go for their Gastuns.
A-Series Suits? Alright, this one I cannot dispute, I run A series alot, so it is nice to get 12 free.
Armour Reppers: Build a few suits with the FREE gear you're being given FOR FREE so you aren't spending ISK on gear that's only slightly better?
HMG: Take your fit with the Standard HMG, make a version with the MH-82, use the FREE things you've been given FOR FREE and get a slight boost at no extra cost?
Forge Gun: You have a point here.
A-Series: And another useful one.
How about my Scout week, then?
SMGs: Why waste them - even free ones - when I have a Merc Pack and a Toxin BPO? I'm using these on my LOGI character, not my Scout.
Sniper Rifles: I'd give them to my girlfriend if I could...
Scout suits: They're... not really much better than my Dragonfly... Yeah, nice to have, but... not really ideal.
Kinetic Catalysers: So I can make my already-fast-enough suit even faster at the cost of things I actually want to upgrade?
Shotguns: SHOTGUNS!!!! 
1 out of 5 ain't bad?
I think a lot of the stuff we're getting will become spontaneously more awesome for all involved when we get to sell it off to buy things we actually want for our characters. Or at least when we can donate to a Corp Armoury and provide some extra gear for Corpmates who might want things that we don't have use for. |
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Posted - 2013.04.14 12:18:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Please point to one instance where I demanded an apology. Since I didn't, I think we can move past that point.
So what exactly ARE you asking for?
The thread shows a dev offering an apology and free stuff.
The devs in question have good reason to be offering an apology, while CCP don't, so that shouldn't be your point.
The free stuff they're offering is less than what CCP have given players so far, so that shouldn't be your point.
You're arguing that CCP could learn from these devs, when CCP either have no reason to do what this example showed, or are already doing it better.
So if your point isn't that CCP need to apologise, and isn't that we need free stuff, can you explain the point you WERE trying to make? |
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