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ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.13 22:36:00 -
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alright since our dropsuits are made to handle planets different heat and weather and whatnot flame throwers wouldn't do a whole lot correct? but those cooling pools around the reactors that are that green stuff sure drop you but you can walk right through fire on here
so why not make a acid thrower or something? basically it has a long term burn effect like a flame thrower but does almost squat to shield it comes in a heavy version which has these different variations
standard comes out in a sprayed out shower head like affects larger range reasonable damage and range normal heat up time
assault comes out in a stream longer distance less spread and less damage per second longer heat up time
concentrated smaller mag longer reload shorter heat up shorter range wider spray more damage per second and longer burn
burst comes out in a burst of acid soaking a whole area with a wave same specs as a standard accept burst and soak factor
well if anyone like this idea more than a stereotypical flame thrower make sure to bring it to attention and get some DEV's on this and hit the +1 :)
water guns in dust XD lethal squirt gun fight FTW!!! |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
231
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Posted - 2013.04.13 22:57:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:alright since our dropsuits are made to handle planets different heat and weather and whatnot flame throwers wouldn't do a whole lot correct? No. Heat burns, no matter where that heat comes from.
And acid? Really? Acid would do far less. |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.13 22:59:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:alright since our dropsuits are made to handle planets different heat and weather and whatnot flame throwers wouldn't do a whole lot correct? No. Heat burns, no matter where that heat comes from.
not when your suit is specially designed to absorb heat some of those planets are scorched or freezing so i dunno i think since the acid affects armor it makes sense but i get what your coming at but instead of lead we shoot plasma instead of solid armor we have electronic shields so how about instead of fire we have acid? |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
231
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:10:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:alright since our dropsuits are made to handle planets different heat and weather and whatnot flame throwers wouldn't do a whole lot correct? No. Heat burns, no matter where that heat comes from. not when your suit is specially designed to absorb heat some of those planets are scorched or freezing so i dunno i think since the acid affects armor it makes sense but i get what your coming at but instead of lead we shoot plasma instead of solid armor we have electronic shields so how about instead of fire we have acid? 1. Hot air is a whole lot different than flaming hot napalm. Flamethrowers will burn you, dropsuit or not.
2. Minmatar shoot lead (and titanium) all the time, and it works well for them.
3. We have both shields and armor, remember? Short-term memory or...?
4. Damage from plasma weaponry is 50% thermal.
5. Acid is weak, and sometimes doesn't even affect certain materials. Heat affects all materials, especially you. |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:14:00 -
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yeah, i guess it is just that i don't like the stereotypical weapons of combat games... that is one of the factors that drew me to dust and made me a keeper through closed beta so i guess this would be a better alternative to a flame thrower >_>
i guess you have to make everything the exact same technology from so many years ago.... i dunno i thought of a flame thrower changing through the years... kinda of how we don't use muzzle loaded rifles anymore?
but well i hope if they do add one it won't look stereotypical i still think there could be something with the same affect as a flame thrower just not a flame thrower maybe thermite? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCsbZf1_Ng
(acid doesn't burn through everything.... as far as my knowledge goes flame doesn't either XD) |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
45
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:20:00 -
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firste things first, heres a list of what the race TENDS to use as ammo.
Caldari: explozives, pounder based guns liek mdoern day. Gallanta: Plasma (a gallante Plasma thrower thats a heavy gun? they don`t have a heavy weapon yes anyways). Ammar: laser (Laser FG hehehe, that would be cool) Minimatar: railgun based weapons. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:54:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:firste things first, heres a list of what the race TENDS to use as ammo.
Caldari: explozives, pounder based guns liek mdoern day. Gallanta: Plasma (a gallante Plasma thrower thats a heavy gun? they don`t have a heavy weapon yes anyways). Ammar: laser (Laser FG hehehe, that would be cool) Minimatar: railgun based weapons.
Actually...
The Gallente (Go Gallente!) use plasma based weaponry. This includes the AR's and Shotguns. Plus, the new plasma launcher, coming SOONGäó
The Caldari use rail gun technology; sniper rilfles, forge gun and rail gun installations. Plus, the new Gauss Gun.
The Amarr use direct energy weapons (I.E lasers and scrambler pistols). Plus the new scrambler rifle
Last but not least (Amarrens may disagree), use gun powder weaponry. This includes the HMG, MD and SMG. Including the rocket firing Flaylock pistol. My favorite weapon type, though my Gallente pride will digress
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
811
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:57:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote: 5. Acid is weak, and sometimes doesn't even affect certain materials. Heat affects all materials, especially you.
Dear Sir.
Please inform the acid vats I occasionally fall into that they shouldn't be harming me, you know, the ones on the Biomass map and can be occasionally found surrounding the hack point of certain null cannons, as they don't seem to have read the latest memo.
Thanks. |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:59:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:firste things first, heres a list of what the race TENDS to use as ammo.
Caldari: explozives, pounder based guns liek mdoern day. Gallanta: Plasma (a gallante Plasma thrower thats a heavy gun? they don`t have a heavy weapon yes anyways). Ammar: laser (Laser FG hehehe, that would be cool) Minimatar: railgun based weapons. Actually... The Gallente (Go Gallente!) use plasma based weaponry. This includes the AR's and Shotguns. Plus, the new plasma launcher, coming SOONGäó The Caldari use rail gun technology; sniper rilfles, forge gun and rail gun installations. Plus, the new Gauss Gun. The Amarr use direct energy weapons (I.E lasers and scrambler pistols). Plus the new scrambler rifle Last but not least (Amarrens may disagree), use gun powder weaponry. This includes the HMG, MD and SMG. Including the rocket firing Flaylock pistol. My favorite weapon type, though my Gallente pride will digress
I see my miix up between Minimatar and Caldari, but I did get the Gallante correct.... |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
231
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:16:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote: 5. Acid is weak, and sometimes doesn't even affect certain materials. Heat affects all materials, especially you.
Dear Sir. Please inform the acid vats I occasionally fall into that they shouldn't be harming me, you know, the ones on the Biomass map and can be occasionally found surrounding the hack point of certain null cannons, as they don't seem to have read the latest memo. Thanks. You assume that the liquid is acidic. For all you know, it could be basic. Yes, that's right. Bases can be corrosive, too. And besides, that is a pool, not a spritz here and there. Besides, the fact that it kills you is almost certainly for gameplay, not realism, because if you got trapped in a pit it would suck, and because you would be campy as **** if you could just sit down there shooting at things that have no idea that you are there. Hell, we don't even have water yet, so even having it act as water would cause problems. Realistically, there are some materials that aren't even affected by most acids. Furthermore, to actually kill you the acid would have to seep all the way through your dropsuit and into a vital organ or something. Heat can seep through materials that can withstand it. Acids, being matter and not energy, cannot.
It is such an asinine idea to assume that acid-based weapons could ever work in actual battle. They cannot, which is why militaries have never used acid on an appreciable scale (compare that to flamethrowers, if you would). Why? Because acid cannot kill you quickly on contact. Heat can. |
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DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
30
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:58:00 -
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Acid mixed with bleach and set a light with napalm thrown in. Also it's electric.
The liquid will be called Goosh. That;s the sound it makes when it shoots. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
816
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Posted - 2013.04.14 03:00:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote: 5. Acid is weak, and sometimes doesn't even affect certain materials. Heat affects all materials, especially you.
Dear Sir. Please inform the acid vats I occasionally fall into that they shouldn't be harming me, you know, the ones on the Biomass map and can be occasionally found surrounding the hack point of certain null cannons, as they don't seem to have read the latest memo. Thanks. You assume that the liquid is acidic. For all you know, it could be basic. Yes, that's right. Bases can be corrosive, too. And besides, that is a pool, not a spritz here and there. Besides, the fact that it kills you is almost certainly for gameplay, not realism, because if you got trapped in a pit it would suck, and because you would be campy as **** if you could just sit down there shooting at things that have no idea that you are there. Hell, we don't even have water yet, so even having it act as water would cause problems. Realistically, there are some materials that aren't even affected by most acids. Furthermore, to actually kill you the acid would have to seep all the way through your dropsuit and into a vital organ or something. Heat can seep through materials that can withstand it. Acids, being matter and not energy, cannot. It is such an asinine idea to assume that acid-based weapons could ever work in actual battle. They cannot, which is why militaries have never used acid on an appreciable scale (compare that to flamethrowers, if you would). Why? Because acid cannot kill you quickly on contact. Heat can. And I never said that acid cannot kill you. I said acid was weak. You know what else is weak? Hitting someone in the stomach, but if you do it hard enough or do it enough times, you can kill them. You can even do that in Dust, despite our heavy duty dropsuits, or perhaps because of it.
Wait to go super serious bro :( |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:03:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote: 5. Acid is weak, and sometimes doesn't even affect certain materials. Heat affects all materials, especially you.
Dear Sir. Please inform the acid vats I occasionally fall into that they shouldn't be harming me, you know, the ones on the Biomass map and can be occasionally found surrounding the hack point of certain null cannons, as they don't seem to have read the latest memo. Thanks. You assume that the liquid is acidic. For all you know, it could be basic. Yes, that's right. Bases can be corrosive, too. And besides, that is a pool, not a spritz here and there. Besides, the fact that it kills you is almost certainly for gameplay, not realism, because if you got trapped in a pit it would suck, and because you would be campy as **** if you could just sit down there shooting at things that have no idea that you are there. Hell, we don't even have water yet, so even having it act as water would cause problems. Realistically, there are some materials that aren't even affected by most acids. Furthermore, to actually kill you the acid would have to seep all the way through your dropsuit and into a vital organ or something. Heat can seep through materials that can withstand it. Acids, being matter and not energy, cannot. It is such an asinine idea to assume that acid-based weapons could ever work in actual battle. They cannot, which is why militaries have never used acid on an appreciable scale (compare that to flamethrowers, if you would). Why? Because acid cannot kill you quickly on contact. Heat can. And I never said that acid cannot kill you. I said acid was weak. You know what else is weak? Hitting someone in the stomach, but if you do it hard enough or do it enough times, you can kill them. You can even do that in Dust, despite our heavy duty dropsuits, or perhaps because of it.
well my friend would we be playing this game if it was for realisticy? and i know basic makes people and things explode on a microscopic level and since it is a cooling unit i would assume it is basic, but anyways maybe some type of nanites in it that eat away your suit while the liquid is a dangerous nuerotoxic, hemotoxic slur? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
858
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:08:00 -
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Lasers use heat to deal damage last time I checked, go try and walk through a laser. |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:16:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Lasers use heat to deal damage last time I checked, go try and walk through a laser.
what on earth are you freakin talking about?! this is a flame thrower thread |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
858
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:18:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Lasers use heat to deal damage last time I checked, go try and walk through a laser. what on earth are you freakin talking about?! this is a flame thrower thread You said flamethrowers wouldn't do a lot of damage because they're heat based and our suits are designed to resist heat, lasers prove you wrong. |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:09:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:ARF 1049 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Lasers use heat to deal damage last time I checked, go try and walk through a laser. what on earth are you freakin talking about?! this is a flame thrower thread You said flamethrowers wouldn't do a lot of damage because they're heat based and our suits are designed to resist heat, lasers prove you wrong.
well it is a chemical laser but this is direct heat like lets pretend your going to cut metal with water... are you going to use this http://www.toysplash.com/images/products/101754C_L.jpg ? or this http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cP0bsU5mhrA/TYjY5SC4EtI/AAAAAAAACyw/tcXvzz6z5dk/s1600/water-jet-metal-cutting.jpg ? the flame thrower VS laser conundrum i think you can figure out what i was reffering to by these pictures |
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