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0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 230	Posted - 2013.04.12 20:32:00 - [1] - Quote Poison Prey wrote: I'm saving those Thales, for when actual start securing planets for FW... Smart man. I have no idea why people blow officer gear in pub games. Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Scout. I'm not sure if you're serious or just trolling.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 230	Posted - 2013.04.12 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Either way, logi snipers are a joke. I guess that's why you've been in a training corp for so long... Logi sniper is good. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. And just because you've killed something does not mean it's bad. "Thales, other officer weapons, Proto suits, and tanks are a joke. I've killed enough to know that." edit: I forgot to mention that scout is the worst dropsuit for sniping. Just search in the training forums for a bunch of stuff on it. There is plenty explaining why.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 231	Posted - 2013.04.13 14:45:00 - [3] - Quote mollerz wrote: But then I found the assault vK0. To me- this is the primo sniper suit. two equipment slots, heavy on the armor, and a sidearm. You can put 2 complex dam mods and use a charged sniper rifle FTW. I put two enhanced profile dampeners on it as well. A charged can be used in CQC, it just takes practice. I kind of like it, but it's very good to have a backup just in case. I'm not sure if you're just trying the neo version of assault, but if you have proto skilled up you might want to try the VK.1 The VK.1 is faster, has a higher shield recharge rate, and higher stamina recovery. Last I checked, strafe speed is based off of your movement speed, so you will be able to strafe faster with the VK.1. The VK.1 also has four high slots and three low (instead of 3/4 like the vk.1) so you can still equip your two damage mods, and also be able to put two shield extenders. Profile dampeners are not worth it when compared to other mods, and are definitely not worth it if you decide to run with a team instead of staying behind the red line. mollerz wrote: Logi = sniping behind the redline, IMO, solely. The faster you can move, the better, especially in CQC. The logi vk.1 is faster than the assault. You can find the differences somewhere. The big ones are 4 high and 4 low so you do not have to sacrifice a high or low slot like the assault does, and the logi comes with higher PG and CPU. So if you're fast and can accurately place all of your shots in CQC, you probably want to go with a shield tanked logi. I haven't seen more than two or three people in DUST who can actually do this, so unless you're like one of them, you should probably get the assault suit for the sidearm. The logi suit is best at almost everything =/ If you're sniping from the red line or something, logi all the way. There's no need for a sidearm if you do it right. The only problem is that you said that you like to armor tank. You also said that you might want to do CQC or get into the battle and be useful at some point. Unfortunately, armor reduces your movement speed, and movement speed is frequently the deciding factor in CQC. It also gives you better control over where you will engage your targets. So I would advise you to go with the logi suit if you stay in the red line 90% of the time. I have a tanked out logi sniper, and I can take more than one mag from a basic AR. 900 HP, tons of armor rep and even armor rep nanohives? yes please ^.^ It's like a heavy, but faster and with equipment slots. If you feel like you'll go into battle, I'd go with the Assault VK.1. Logi suit has an advantage at long range, and the Assault has an advantage in CQC. Keep in mind that at long range during corp battles, the gap between assault and logi is significantly smaller than it usually is, because you can go toe to toe with a thale. Thales own everything. Also, the logi suit is better than assault at the prototype level. The assault suit wins at anything over. I have one more point. Then I will get some coffee and wake up, hopefully I'll read this and not lol @ myself for bad grammar or anything like that. Anyways, you can only skill into a weapon so far. This is likely to change in the future, (from what we know) but the light weapon skills work for all light weapons. Once you max out your light weapon skills and your sniper, the only thing you have to do is skill up an AR to get the full benefit from it. Skilling up one weapon requires significantly less SP than skilling a whole new dropsuit. So if you have this much SP, you might want to think about the logi suit again. It is just plain better than the assault when using an AR... and assaulting 0_0. The likely change is that you will have to skill up all of the light weapon skills for each weapon. So capacity works for all light weapons now, but in the future you might have sniper rifle capacity, and ar capacity.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 231	Posted - 2013.04.13 14:57:00 - [4] - Quote I feel a bit bad about it, but I cannot give you a definite answer. As you can see, even if you do decide to engage in CQC, the logi suit may be better because you can swap over to assault with a supply depot if you need to. Your squad can cover you if you do not swap and decide to hard scope, or you can run around in CQC with it. But then the assault comes in with its sidearm, which is nice to have. It makes up for the difference between the two at long range because Thales are just that good. If you decide to laser, having a sidearm is also nice too. But if your corp is good and you're on a map like Manus Peak, your squad should be able to engage the enemy at close range and protect you so that you can capitalize on your long range advantage. I guess I should add a quick disclaimer, I have done many corp battles, but I have never done a serious corp battle when I am the sniper. I can snipe, so I have switched over to using a sniper rifle during some CBs, but it has never been my primary role. If I were creating team compositions, I would prefer a sniper who can switch over and do something useful most of the time. So that would be: > Sniper with beast CQC skills and a sidearm > Logi who can pull out a sniper rifle for the small amount of time it is needed, then switch back to a different role If you want to check out some CQC snipers, Sleepy Zan is notorious for it. :P That long explanation can be shortened to: > Go Assault to be good now > Go logi to be the best next year but most importantly, All of this probably means nothing when the new content comes out.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 231	Posted - 2013.04.13 15:05:00 - [5] - Quote > Profile dampening means next to nothing > Scouts can be one shot by almost every sniper rifle > Scouts are terrible at CQC in proto v proto fights > Scouts are terrible at medium range combat if all players are in proto > Scouts are terrible at long range combat if all players are in proto > Scouts have terrible PG and CPU > Scouts have fewer mod slots than Assault and Logi > Scouts have less HP than Assault and Logi > Scouts have terrible stamina recovery when compared to logi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout is the Weakest Dropsuit in the Game <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< edit: but other than the scout suit, you should probably watch sleepy zan or gemcutter. They are good :P They also know far more than I about sniping, so some of the stuff I said might be off D: except for scout is the weakest dropsuit. Fun and weak. You should try all of this stuff out in game too. Spend a bit of time out of the game if you feel like it, but time spent in the game testing stuff is usually more valuable.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 235	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:17:00 - [6] - Quote Yani Nabari wrote: Also what is a traditional sniper, traditional being something I see as a subjective term (see Traditional Family Values) and I'd like to know how it differs from an overwatch sniper. +1 lol.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 238	Posted - 2013.04.16 23:46:00 - [7] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: All overwatch snipers do is tell their team about enemy movements That is not all they do -.- A number of spots can cover at least one objective, or cover the spots where other snipers might try to snipe from.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 262	Posted - 2013.04.22 00:32:00 - [8] - Quote Tyjus Vacca wrote: it really just comes down to your play style bro ;) It was a joke referencing this comment by bob. Scheneighnay McBob wrote: logi snipers are a joke. I've killed enough to know that. Bob has plenty of funny quotes, everyone teases him about it :> 0 Try Harder wrote: "Thales, other officer weapons, Proto suits, and tanks are a joke. I've killed enough to know that." ^.^ Hopefully that clears up any confusion about it. I guess it does seem weird at first.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 262	Posted - 2013.04.22 03:05:00 - [9] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: 0 Try Harder wrote: "Thales, other officer weapons, Proto suits, and tanks are a joke. I've killed enough to know that." Ah, but officer weapons, proto suits, and tanks don't become completely defenseless once any scout who knows what they're doing gets into CQC Once your scout tried to nova knife my proto tank. I guess he took your advice and went CQC. Good news is he's no longer in a scout suit, bad news is that he's roadkill.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 267	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:45:00 - [10] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: People say the scout is terrible at everything. It wins hands down for one thing above all other suits though - giving yourself a challenge. I love that quote. Scout dropsuits are loads of fun too. It also makes me feel bad when I see a good one. They are moving everywhere running, strafing, doing everything. Then I see them, and they see me, and they start bouncing around. I imagine the scout is thinking: LOL I am a scout! I am so fast! U CAN'T TOUCH THIS and then I come in and it's like, LOL I CAN AIM. Oh yah, another type-A scout dropped by Assault - Frontline They really need to buff those things -.- So there's a guy in my corp, Xero, who is pretty good with the scout suit. There was another scout running around who has always given him a run for his money. Before the new patch, Xero started playing around with a type-II assault just to see what would happen. The guy in the scout suit was rocking proto everything, and xero was just in a type-II with a GEK (that's the adv AR). They got into a couple of fights, and xero just dropped the guy like he was a first day player in all MLT gear and xero was in full proto with officer weapons. I am skeptical that CCP will be able to balance the scout in the next build, and allow it to compete on an equal level with other suits at the proto level. I think they were balanced around the STD/ADV level of gear. The amount of damage that people can put out on the proto level is just so much higher that scouts cannot stand a chance. Especially when the skill levels are factored in, like L5 AR proficiency and the like. I believe that the limited mod slots also restrict the options that a scout can have. Assault and logi suits can go multiple different ways, the logi being the most versatile in a large part due to higher PG, CPU and 8 mod slots and plenty of equipment slots. Speed does matter a lot, so perhaps a minimatar assault will help to balance things out. If the assault suit was faster with better stamina control than logi, it would probably be better or at the same level as the current proto vk.1 logi dropsuit. IMO it is bad that there is one suit with the best or second best in almost everything. Even the base stats can be looked at to realize this. Best mod slots? (4/4 check!) Best speed? Comes in second to scout. Best stamina control? (check!) Best CPU/PG for what is required? (check!) Highest number of equipment slots? (check!) -.- btw I rage a lot @ the logi suits, but I use them on almost all of my guys, so it's not like I'm angry because I feel as though the suits are better than what I already have. I have everything but heavy, because I hate heavies!

0 Try Harder Faabulous 312	Posted - 2013.05.04 22:15:00 - [11] - Quote Poison Prey wrote: And I believe the Answer Shall be: AMARR LOGI Just make sure it's better than the other assault suits. I haven't gone over the suits in detail, and of course I cannot comment on how they fare in corp battles because we do not have them yet. As you know, 4 high, 4 low, and more cpu/pg were huge for the old logi suit. Plus if you're planning on armor tanking, there are other suits better suited for that.

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