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Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 622	Posted - 2013.04.08 00:47:00 - [1] - Quote Hi folks, After verifying on the Singularity test server that Molden Heath is the only region that has districts meeting the requirements for the first wave of Planetary Conquest (Uprising expansion, May 6th, 2013), I spent several hours mapping out the systems and their associated planets and districts. Here is that map: http://i.imgur.com/K9l1FyR.jpg The map only shows lowsec systems (except for Teonusude). As a result, it is not recommended for moving starships, only clones. The map shows each system's temperate planets (if any), their designation, and the number of districts on said planets. The map also shows how many space stations are in the system, its security rating, and how many moons orbit temperate planets (how many POSs could get bonuses from SI in districts). Green jumps between systems mean that there are two or more adjacent PC systems, while an orange jump means that at least one side of the jump does not have PC planets.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 625	Posted - 2013.04.08 01:50:00 - [2] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Where the districts actually in the Singularity Test server? Or did you have another way of figuring it out? Edit: also I only counted 245 districts, I was under the impression it was going to be 250... or did I miss count? +1 for standing up as a school and putting good info out there for everyone. They are in Molden Heath on Singularity. I spent several hours flying around from region to region looking. I was about to give up when I found a planet with districts in Molden. The devs told us "about 250", so that's in the ballpark. Thanks!
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 625	Posted - 2013.04.08 02:00:00 - [3] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Great stuff, our corps really do need to link up. I know Bojo was talking to your corp's directors about a "college planet" or something. I thought about this one: http://i.imgur.com/M4Yvt1E.jpg The problem is that it has more districts (12) than we could fairly take up for two corps. We'd need at least one more college or maybe a couple of other "friendlies" that we'd fight with for practice battles.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 633	Posted - 2013.04.08 03:33:00 - [4] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: So 38 moons. Anyone want to do the work to find out what they have? http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Molden_Heath/Teonusude#minerals It may not be 100% accurate, but if you click the systems you can get a list of what people have reported finding.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 651	Posted - 2013.04.08 12:16:00 - [5] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Great work. thanks dude. Do you mind me using your file in an article for dust-france website ? Certainement, monsieur.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 652	Posted - 2013.04.08 12:28:00 - [6] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Yeah I think this will be a war for the big boys I really doesn't see a place for the small people not at all they are welcome to try but I only see them getting caught in the middle of the bigger corps wars. From my perspective (I wrote on this elsewhere), there are three "sizes" of pockets. The "Sharks" and "Minnows" will aim for the minipockets, the "Monsters" will aim for midpockets, and the "Kaijus" will aim for the mega pockets. Minipockets: Altbrard - 14 Districts (2 jumps to nearest other planet) Hedaleo... - 12 Districts (3 jumps) Hrober - 15 districts / 2 planets (3 jumps) Midpockets: Bosena & Oddelulf - 37 Districts (2 jumps to nearest other pocket) Sakulda - 29 Districts (3 jumps) Klingt - 27 Districts (2 jumps) Megapockets: Audesder to Kadlina - 68 Districts (2 jumps to nearest other pocket) Osvetur to Meildolf - 43 Districts (2 jumps)
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 656	Posted - 2013.04.08 16:26:00 - [7] - Quote charlesnette dalari wrote: Another useful map of the area which also tells you where the ice belts are (this dotlan map also good for navigation in eve) which are very important EVE side of things as well as much more info to help planning. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Molden_Heath I made a LOT of use of those yesterday.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 659	Posted - 2013.04.08 18:22:00 - [8] - Quote rebecca watson wrote: One question I still have is this: Who stands a better chance in all of this PC business?: One large corp (competent or not....) or An alliance made up of smaller corps (competent or not...) ??? Well, I don't think anybody who is totally incompetent is going to have much of a chance. Overall, the largest corps/alliances will do better in that they can take and hold more territory and generate more ISK. However, the average ability (not just shooty, but tactics, teamwork, etc.) of the corps will determine their relative success. Thus, lets say that both Kaiju Allied National Enterprises (KANE) and the Enclave of Notoriously Accurate Kaijus (ENAK) both have 1000 members. If ENAK has a W/L of 1.5 and KANE has a 1.3, then we can expect ENAK to have a few more districts than KANE. However, if KANE has a 2.0 and ENAK has a 0.5, then KANE is likely to control a lot more territory. The same holds true for smaller corps. A 24-member corp might have a shot at taking and holding a small number of districts if it has a good W/L, but not if it has a bad one. The reality is that PC will likely require a minimum of 24 players in the same timezone to have a shot at being successful. I'm not happy about it, but it's basically just the way it is. Even then, those players will all need to be well-coodinated (practice together) and at least moderately skilled at the gun game.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 661	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:18:00 - [9] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: If say DUST University and BojoGÇÖs School of the Trades took control of Hrober VIII (3 permanent districts each and 4 contentiously contested training zones), then Hrober V (5 districts) would be small and isolated, making it perfect for small Corporations to try their hand at PC, and they could also attack the training districts on Hrober VIII to get used to Friendly Fire and such. If it wound up being just us two, maybe Hrober V might be better. That would enable us to each hold one district as a campus and leave the other three as the training grounds. That would certainly reinforce the neutrality. That Hrober VIII would be potentially open for other corps, meaning that we would have as many as ten other corps in system to fight against if we needed them. Of course, that would leave us with no backup campus. Hmm... Is there a third college around here?
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 661	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:27:00 - [10] - Quote rebecca watson wrote: I guess what I'm trying to ask is this: Is there a mechanic that will favor one side over the other: 200 member corp with x skill level vs. 200 member alliance made up of half-a-dozen corps with the same x skill level Yes. A well-run corporation will always be tighter than a well-run alliance. There are very good reasons to spend 1,000,000,000 ISK on starting an alliance, but those usually have to do with POS management or different roles. Not to mention the 2,000,000 ISK per month per corp maintenance fee from CONCORD. Since you are talking about all of the corps in the alliance as Dust corps, there is, AFAIK, no advantage (in terms of game mechanics) to dividing yourselves up. Indeed, depending on how attack warnings are sent- corp only or alliance-wide, you may be gimping your ability to gather defenders because 80% of your alliance members did not see the memo. If you want to be in an alliance, have one DUST corp and the rest be EVE corps. Your EVE peeps can (last I heard) provide OBs and reap the rewards of your PC sovereignty, but you are not mucking up the chain-of-command on the Dust side. -- If on the other hand, you are talking about a "coalition" as opposed to an alliance recognized by the game mechanics... Don't bother. Coalitions generally serve some purpose in the metagame- politics, mutual goals, etc.. Coalitions do not have any effect on the game mechanics so you have to do a lot of things the hard way.

Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 661	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:47:00 - [11] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Just a word to the wise educated people among you, Rooks and Kings live in Molden Heath. Don't expect any EVE side support for anything. Well, pirates will be pirates. That's another good reason not to go with Hrober. Flying to Hrober means going through the pirate capital of Molden Heath, Bosena: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Molden_Heath/Bosena#kills24 Admittedly, there are plenty of systems with more than 72 player ships killed and 16 player pods killed. But anyone who wants EVE-side support would be wise to pay attention to the chokepoints that the pirates like.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 661	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:59:00 - [12] - Quote gbghg wrote: Vaerana Myshtana wrote: That's another good reason not to go with Hrober. Flying to Hrober means going through the pirate capital of Molden Heath, Bosena... anyone who wants EVE-side support would be wise to pay attention to the chokepoints that the pirates like. what are the other major choke points in the region?, for us uneducated mercs who don't have our heads in the stars Based on recent activity (the Dotlan map), none. Bosena is a big target because it's directly adjacent to the hisec regional trade hub, so people are always going into Teonusude and then back into lowsec from there. Often those people are carrying valuable cargo. If an alliance like HARK really wanted to interdict people in Molden, I would say that Aedald, Egbinger, Illamur, and Osvetur are the other systems where they could easily set traps for people. Indeed, the HARK killboard shows that they like Aedald and Egbinger: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Rooks_and_Kings/kills
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 665	Posted - 2013.04.09 11:57:00 - [13] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Question: EVE nub here but on ur map http://twitter.yfrog.com/z/h7qvfhzhj Gonheim to Half is missing a line that is present on Dotlan http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Molden_Heath#temperate dunno if u missed it or im missing something :s Oh! Good catch! I will fix it in the next iteration. Thanks!
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 665	Posted - 2013.04.09 12:08:00 - [14] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: DUST University has over 700 members and is active in all time zones. We would probably want to have 3 or 4 Planetary Conquest fights per day at different times so that all our members have access. This would probably require 3 permanent districts to produce enough clones to support this. Students burn through a lot of clones. I just donGÇÖt think that Hrober V with 5 districts would be big enough. Also, Hrober V has 3 moons, making it more valuable than Hrober VIII which only has 1 moon. Hedaleolfarber III would also be a viable option. With 12 districts it is too big for just the training Corps, unless a third one joined us, so we would be sharing the planet with at least 1 non training Corp. Now one possibility is that a few of the big corps could each take a district on Hedaleolfarber III and then train their new players by attacking our training districts. This would provide a nice supply of battles and give us some verity. Good points. Personally, I lean towards Hedaleo(*cough) because in a way it's even more distant from the action. I think that because Hrober has 4 moons around PC planets, it is more valuable to mixed EVE/Dust corps and so is more likely to be viewed as somewhere between a minipocket and a midpocket. In other words, I can see a small, hungry corp going for total domination of the whole system. So, if each college had three districts, then there would be six left over. Potentially, that could support another college or something. It occurs to me that in EVE, there are three main "colleges"- EVE University, Red-vs.-Blue, and Agony Unleashed. Each provides a different type of service. (Yes, I know education is a sideline for Agony, but they are famous for it.) EVE University offers a general education. RvB offers basic, hisec PVP experience. Agony offers hardcore, advanced PVP in nullsec. We need to start thinking about the niches in Dust and how different schools can meet those needs.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 665	Posted - 2013.04.09 12:47:00 - [15] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: In truth I never had any affiliation with EVE University EVE side, but I fought Agony Unleashed in Syndicate space many times, and I knew a few Agony Unleashed alumni. I always had the greatest respect for them. Nothing like having your small battlecruiser fleet swarmed by 20 or 30 cheap cruisers on one of their training roams. They brought some Good Fights! Speaking purely for myself (not for Bojo), I see BSOTT eventually moving into the same kind of training role as Agony. One of their big values seems to be disciplined creativity- try a bunch of creative stuff to see how it works, use your discipline to smack people around with it, then show anyone who wants to learn how you did it. I really respect that. Of course, for BSOTT to get to that level, we really need to get certain people (CoughBojoCough) to invest in microphones.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 675	Posted - 2013.04.11 02:41:00 - [16] - Quote No, sorry. I will try to get on it tomorrow night.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 677	Posted - 2013.04.11 21:37:00 - [17] - Quote SHANN da MAN wrote: Also change the Jump Line between AEDALD and MUTTOKON from orange to green Got it. Thanks. NEW VERSION POSTED 1) Jump added between Half and Gonheim. 2) Jump between Aedald and Muttokon changed to correct color.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 678	Posted - 2013.04.13 22:36:00 - [18] - Quote NEW VERSION POSTED 1) Trade hub changed to correct station based on Tranquility data, not Singularity.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 679	Posted - 2013.04.14 00:27:00 - [19] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Vaerana Myshtana wrote: NEW VERSION POSTED 1) Trade hub changed to correct station based on Tranquility data, not Singularity. Question total space nub here so dont bite........but whats the different colour lines mean? In this case, it just has to do with Dust PC. Green lines mean that the system on both sides of the jump (link) have PC planets, orange means only one side or neither side has PC planets.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 679	Posted - 2013.04.14 01:31:00 - [20] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Has this been confirmed by a Dev? I keep meaning to pick up one of those... Here is the original thread which includes all of the clues we were given by the devs and the basis for the information: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64258 One of the clues was that it would not be a new region.

Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 679	Posted - 2013.04.14 01:32:00 - [21] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: didn't ccp just outright add a region at some point, black rise during Emperian Age i think Yes, they added Black Rise for Empyrean Age. The devs said that the region would not be newly added and that it was live on the test server.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 723	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:20:00 - [22] - Quote Hopefully we will get an official announcement in the next few days. I wonder if they will move it to the far side of Caldari space just to be mean.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 749	Posted - 2013.04.28 05:59:00 - [23] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Has this been confirmed by a Dev? Molden Heath was confirmed as the region during the Dust keynote.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 802	Posted - 2013.05.03 03:59:00 - [24] - Quote Given the number of threads in which people are asking about district counts...
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 841	Posted - 2013.05.04 20:36:00 - [25] - Quote Passive SP Bonus wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: So 38 moons. Anyone want to do the work to find out what they have? Why are moons important? Are we fighting on them? Pilots in EVE online can build starbases (POS) near the moon to harvest resources, manufacture items, etc. If Dust soldiers control districts on a planet and the EVE pilots in their alliance have a POS at a moon orbiting that planet, the POS gets bonuses. So I put the moons in to the map because they have economic importance. Beren Hurin was asking if anyone had determined what resources those moons might produce.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 936	Posted - 2013.05.04 20:40:00 - [26] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Dotlan is quite helpful =) Absolutely. Unfortunately, their moon goo information is based on voluntary reports, so Beren's question is still pretty wide open.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 938	Posted - 2013.05.17 12:58:00 - [27] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: I used the map as a background to make a simplified, dust-only A4/A3 print version. Here is a bad quality jpeg link to it. This map might be used internally in CRONOS. for strategic presentation of campaign coals and propaganda. ... The basic idea of presentation is to show the size of planets in hexagons scaled by the number of districts. This allows quick demonstration of powerblocks and strategic weights. Nice! I think people would love a high-res. If you post the high-res, I'll add it up at the top. I'm working on collecting a list of district maps for everyone too: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78674&find=unread I look forward to CREST/API access so that maybe we can get the district info in realtime and see really neat sovereignty maps outside of the PS3.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 941	Posted - 2013.05.17 17:52:00 - [28] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: Got a pdf, png and jpg file but photobucket is automatically crap quality jpg >:( I think IMGUR takes PDFs. If not, maybe a Google Drive share?

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