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Covert Clay
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:19:00 -
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Just wondering what tanking will be like after the respec. Will we see a lot more tankers? Will shield tanks get a buff and/or armor tanks get nerfed? And most importantly, will we see more tanks to buy or new modules or turrets? |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:21:00 -
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im taking all my sp out of tanks and putting it into my assault guy its too much of an isk & sp sink for the little time i spend actually playing in a tank and the handling with them is so terribad with a DS3 atm. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:23:00 -
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Hard to say. A lot of veteran tankers are leaving tanking behind, including myself.
I'm only doing it because I can't maintain dropships, Logistics and a tank.
Other old players are dropping it because it's too much money just to be killed by a OHK railgun tank.
On the other hand, new players are liking tanks and with the addition to new vehicle items it might promote tank use among the newer crowd. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:25:00 -
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Requires a crap tonn more SP from the looks of it. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:26:00 -
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Passive skills be being separated into infantry and vehicle types, so you can either go vehicles or infantry. |
Covert Clay
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:26:00 -
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Does anyone know if they will Nerf AV weapons like swarms with the next build? |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:29:00 -
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being able to field a decent tank requires at least 750k-1mil sp plus all the isk for the skill books and items means your looking at about 7-10mil to have 5 decent gunnloggi's that wouldn't stand an icecubes chance in hell of beating a decent sagaris unless they got the drop on it.
a decent sagaris will cost about twice the amount of sp & isk than the gunnloggi and that new tankers are craven by a fault because if they lose the tank then they need to survive about 3 matches at first place without dying to make the isk back to replace the lost gunnloggi. |
Covert Clay
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Requires a crap tonn more SP from the looks of it.
If I wanted to throw all my SP into tanking next build and I had 4.5 million SP. would I be able to get a surya with proto blaster, proto plates, and proto rep along with whatever elce you wanted? |
Covert Clay
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:33:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:being able to field a decent tank requires at least 750k-1mil sp plus all the isk for the skill books and items means your looking at about 7-10mil to have 5 decent gunnloggi's that wouldn't stand an icecubes chance in hell of beating a decent sagaris unless they got the drop on it.
a decent sagaris will cost about twice the amount of sp & isk than the gunnloggi and that new tankers are craven by a fault because if they lose the tank then they need to survive about 3 matches at first place without dying to make the isk back to replace the lost gunnloggi.
Right. Which is why you need a good corp that will fund a tanker. Tanks are going to be key for PC when it gets released. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:03:00 -
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With 6-8m SP and the complete separation of skill trees you won't be able to dabble in vehicles in the next build.
AV will be strong so it will be "All in" or nothing. Going half way in will just invite huge losses.
On the other hand I'm hearing lots of players talk of abandoning Heavies so the FG threat may diminish.
That would make it possible for serious drivers and pilots to make a living.
It will take about 4m for a standard DS or HAV, and more if we get the pilot suit. I'm betting that you would want to start out with the ADV model and that will chew up what SP you have left. That means anyone with less than 6m would risk going broke quickly if they went directly for vehicles.
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2689
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:06:00 -
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if it requires a **** load more SP to invest into tanks but tanks are still squishy and AV still hella easy to get into then there will be no balance. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:10:00 -
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With the introduction of assault dropships a lot of people who, like me, only drove HAVs because there was no way to earn SP in dropships will likely be making the switch. Expect to see fewer HAVs and more dropships. The LAV will probably remain the red headed stepchild. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:20:00 -
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LAVs won't get any respect unless and until they get far more capabilities than they now have.
Assault dropships are built on a light frame, so it's still to be seen if they will be any more durable than the LAV. A lot of folks may be very disappointed if the Assault DS turns out to be a flying jeep, especially if they devoted all their SP for it. |
Covert Clay
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:21:00 -
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Skihids wrote:With 6-8m SP and the complete separation of skill trees you won't be able to dabble in vehicles in the next build.
AV will be strong so it will be "All in" or nothing. Going half way in will just invite huge losses.
On the other hand I'm hearing lots of players talk of abandoning Heavies so the FG threat may diminish.
That would make it possible for serious drivers and pilots to make a living.
It will take about 4m for a standard DS or HAV, and more if we get the pilot suit. I'm betting that you would want to start out with the ADV model and that will chew up what SP you have left. That means anyone with less than 6m would risk going broke quickly if they went directly for vehicles.
Well I'm going to go for tanking 1 way or another. Period. So it looks like every one is saying that HAVs will cost a hell a lot more SP and AV is still going to be OPed. Do you guys think we will see less or more AV in the next build? Shihids, I'm interested in this pilot suit you mentioned. Any rummors of new tanks or turrets?
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DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
422
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:46:00 -
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With up coming plasma canon, there will probably be a couple people like me that will try them out. However also like me, I will be skilling out of the heavy. But that doesn't mean I'm not gunna have a forge suit  |
Covert Clay
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.14 07:59:00 -
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So are there going to be any new tanks or turrets? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.04.14 08:06:00 -
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With all the tankers respecing into infantry and infantry respcing into tanking just because the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence, we're going to see more blown up tanks and dead infantry just before they get washed away by a flow of tears that could turn Manus Peak into Manus Falls. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1225
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Posted - 2013.04.14 08:10:00 -
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Tankers with alot of SP will probs skill into multiple vehicles cause the vehicle skills apply to all vehicles. So i could imagine that a tanker could have a fully specced sagaris, a logistic LAV and eventually a assault dropship. And when we have planetary conquest corps will fund vehicles. I could imagine that its gonna be like this:
vehicle player calls in 2 tanks and 2 logistic LAV's (those LAV's are extreme hard to destroy). So that the tanks will constantly be supllied with additional shield boosts while causing havoc for the enemy team. And while the enemy team is busy shoting the tanks the infantry proceeds and kills them and takes the objective. You have to keep in mind that tanks force the other team to get more then 1 guy with a swarm launcher to keep them at bay. Another thing that people forget is that tanks break trough camped positions on ambush. Playing as dedicated driver is important for corps. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.14 08:13:00 -
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Covert Clay wrote:So are there going to be any new tanks or turrets?
according to the sisi leak, there may be a new classification of tanks. Enforcers, bonuses to range and zoom functionality. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.14 08:50:00 -
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Deciding to carry on with Vehicles, chances are I'm going to get shafted some more by CCP though, AV is far too easy (Worked out how to do like 4k damage with proto swarms, pce armor tanks.) |
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.14 11:09:00 -
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Covert Clay wrote:Does anyone know if they will Nerf AV weapons like swarms with the next build?
Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:It would really help if they fix already stacking penalty.
btw: In next build Swarm Launcher Operation skill will give +10% ammo per level instead of "+5% swarm launcher missile damage radius per level.", so huuureeey another buf to AV guys.
SL will have to resupply much faaaaster because of that, and they will carry more ammo. Beside that the new AV weapon is coming "Plasma Cannon" it's gone be similar to Forge gun at some point. |
Val'herik Dorn
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
407
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Posted - 2013.04.14 12:28:00 -
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I hope the plasma cannon is a light weapon assuming it is my scout will be much much scarier to tanks :) |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.14 12:49:00 -
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When it finally gets to the 6th (which cant come soon enough) i will be getting out a pen and some paper with my calculator and working out how much more SP it may cost for me to spec into tanks
Either way i do think i will still spec into tanks but im not sure if i will do shield and armor like i am doing now, plus i will swap normal dropships for maybe the attack versions
I hope mods get balanced out for shield at least so they are no par with armor and not as useless but also it will be intresting to see what mods have changed in general and what the new HAV looks like
Plus see if AV will still be about as much or if it will require the same specialization as vehicles, if its like it is now then everyone and ther mum will have decent AV and HAVs may yet again be WP pinatas waiting to be cracked open
I hope that everything has become more speciailized so it takes alot of WP to get into and so you cant really be jack of all trades and be awesome at all |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
1180
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:53:00 -
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The basic support skills needed to run a top of the line Myron ran me 3m SP. That's 3m that used to be shared with infantry:
Circuitry 1x
Combat Engineering 1x
Power grid Upgrades 2x (to L4)
Shield Boost Systems 2x
Shield Control 3x
Shield Enhancements 2x (to L3)
Field Mechanics 1x
2,935,080 SP
Then there are the Vehicle Only Skills:
Vehicle Command 155,460
Piloting 18,660
Vehicle Maneuvering 31,100
Caldari Dropship 62,200
Turret Operations L5 310,920
Small Hybrid Turret Operations L5 310,920
Small Hybrid Turret Proficiency L2 74,610
870,570 SP
From the sneek peek of of new skill tree it looks like the vehicle skill tree is getting deeper which will bump the latter cost.
I wouldn't be surprised if it took 5-6m SP to run a decked out ADV dropship in the next build, and that's without the prospect of a pilot suit. |
Covert Clay
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:39:00 -
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So what about this pilot suit I keep hearing about? What will it do? |
agent se7en
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:09:00 -
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Covert Clay wrote:
Well I'm going to go for tanking 1 way or another. Period. So it looks like every one is saying that HAVs will cost a hell a lot more SP and AV is still going to be OPed. Do you guys think we will see less or more AV in the next build? Shihids, I'm interested in this pilot suit you mentioned. Any rummors of new tanks or turrets?
AV isn't really all that OP, since, outside of high-dollar corp maches, the most 90% of the playerbase pulls out is a militia forge/heavy suit combo with tier 1 AV grenades, or the freebie swarm launcher suit, maybe tweaked with tier 1, or rarely, tier 3 av grenades. And, since swarms don't even do that much against higher level tanks, even with focused fire, they're usually used for cracking installations and popping LAVs and cheap dropships. Forge guns, on the other hand, even militia ones, in the right hands, can shred even the best tanks with a bit of concentrated fire...but that doesn't make them OP, it simply gives infantry a fair shot against armor, and forces HAV pilots to play defensively and utilize tactics rather than simply mowing over everyone.
So you take a few hits and have to retreat to recoup, or a band of forge gunners get the drop on you and trash your tank, that doesn't make AV op. If you're having an issue with AV, coordinate with your squad, surely not every one of your squad members is riding in your tank with you (tanks only have 3 seats), and even if they are, they should be at least decent gunners, and can help keep the AV heat off you. |
BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
56
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:30:00 -
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Covert Clay wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Requires a crap tonn more SP from the looks of it. If I wanted to throw all my SP into tanking next build and I had 4.5 million SP. would I be able to get a surya with proto blaster, proto plates, and proto rep along with whatever elce you wanted?
I am at 7M SP, of which ALL went to tanks and I maxed all my core skills, have proto blasters, surya, gunloggi, shield modes and such.
If you have 4.5 M SP you better stay at ADV blasters and do other stuff first. |
Covert Clay
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:43:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Covert Clay wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Requires a crap tonn more SP from the looks of it. If I wanted to throw all my SP into tanking next build and I had 4.5 million SP. would I be able to get a surya with proto blaster, proto plates, and proto rep along with whatever elce you wanted? I am at 7M SP, of which ALL went to tanks and I maxed all my core skills, have proto blasters, surya, gunloggi, shield modes and such. If you have 4.5 M SP you better stay at ADV blasters and do other stuff first.
Well I was talking about next build and according to other guys its going to take a lot more SP to go into tanking. By the next build I should be around 6 million SP. |
BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
56
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:47:00 -
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Covert Clay wrote:BOZ MR wrote:Covert Clay wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Requires a crap tonn more SP from the looks of it. If I wanted to throw all my SP into tanking next build and I had 4.5 million SP. would I be able to get a surya with proto blaster, proto plates, and proto rep along with whatever elce you wanted? I am at 7M SP, of which ALL went to tanks and I maxed all my core skills, have proto blasters, surya, gunloggi, shield modes and such. If you have 4.5 M SP you better stay at ADV blasters and do other stuff first. Well I was talking about next build and according to other guys its going to take a lot more SP to go into tanking. By the next build I should be around 6 million SP.
Well, I can not comment on next build now since I have no idea what skills will take how much SP but, given that you spend 6M you probably will be able to do stuff you want if you do not spec into both tanks. |
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