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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
1930
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:20:00 -
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I still say it's too strict and overboard. Let the user operate his own weapon at least.
I'm against the center spawn part because how will you explain spawning without a CRU or uplink in a corp battle skirmish match? Also, let the AWOXER have a chance to switch sides but let the opposing team know that an AWOXER is wanting to switch sides and the team leader can elect to let him in or keep him out. |
Charizard Zakalwe
Immobile Infantry
11
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:26:00 -
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You guys do realise that you're soldiers fighting for corps that have already WarDec'd each other right? And that if you're not familiar with EVE and WarDec's, they are essentially bribes paid to Concorde to get to liberally murder people in High/Low Sec.
Why would Concorde get involved at all? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
1930
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:03:00 -
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Charizard Zakalwe wrote:You guys do realise that you're soldiers fighting for corps that have already WarDec'd each other right? And that if you're not familiar with EVE and WarDec's, they are essentially bribes paid to Concorde to get to liberally murder people in High/Low Sec.
Why would Concorde get involved at all?
Concord has limited jurisdiction on planets. It's the Directive Enforcement Division (DED) that seems to have some influence but I'm not sure. |
Philipp Achtel
Immobile Infantry
33
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:16:00 -
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Did this really warrant two threads? |
Free Beers
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:19:00 -
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I can promise you one thing. If ccp ever puts friendly fire in hisec, which it wont, I will be able to break whatever system is there. I will grief any and every one possible doing it.
example: I will walk in front of people shooting and get them introuble for shooting me.
TKing is a past time in dust. I fear blues as much as reds and have hardly every been tk'd. Lots of people try and God knows I deserve it. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
422
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:54:00 -
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Welcome to New Eden, where friendly fire is not only allowed, but encouraged. Providing there's money in it. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
1932
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Posted - 2013.04.07 20:33:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Welcome to New Eden, where friendly fire is not only allowed, but encouraged. Providing there's money in it.
The guy has already been welcomed to New Eden long ago. |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
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Posted - 2013.04.07 20:48:00 -
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I'v not been awoxed or awoxed anybody yet so my opinion may not count much. I would not let a computer decide who to punish if a kill is not a result of direct friendly fire. We humans are better at it...
Instead let CCP introduce a standings system into DUST contacts management (the same as in EVE). Then when a match ends you just do "show info" on your offender then add her/him to your contacts and adjust standing accordingly. This way you can keep track of your grudges and stay away from them... Or whatever you like... |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
1932
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Posted - 2013.04.07 21:12:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:I'v not been awoxed or awoxed anybody yet so my opinion may not count much. I would not let a computer decide who to punish if a kill is not a result of direct friendly fire. We humans are better at it...
Instead let CCP introduce a standings system into DUST contacts management (the same as in EVE). Then when a match ends you just do "show info" on your offender then add her/him to your contacts and adjust standing accordingly. This way you can keep track of your grudges and stay away from them... Or whatever you like...
This. Allowing players to decide what to do with the AWOXer is far more practical than allowing a computer to decide such things. Besides, a computer cannot account for certain circumstances that are beyond simple coding of the program.
Take for example a city traffic camera that you regularly see on the intersections meant to discourage drivers from running red lights or stopping too far ahead of the solid lines when stopping. It seemed simple at the time until a few cases started showing up that exposed a major problem with the system.
One example (true story): A funeral precession was being escorted by police to cross an intersection. The traffic lights were on RED but the police halted traffic to allow the row of funeral cars to drive through anyways. The next day or two, the owners of each and every one of those funeral cars were issued a ticket by the city costing about $150-$250 per violation. When the owners took this to court, it was discovered that literally no one was hired to review the camera footage before the tickets were issued. The court dropped the tickets in favor of the owners.
Now let's consider different scenario. Let's say you are at the intersection and you stopped at the red light. You are in the very front. Suddenly an ambulance or fire truck starts coming from behind. You and everyone behind you had to move out of the way (BY LAW) so that the emergency vehicles can get through or else you will be issued a heavy fine or citation. But the traffic camera nearby takes a picture of your car crossing the solid line and two others that were next to you and decides to issue the tickets anyways.
The point here is that computers currently lack the capacity to judge properly like humans by accounting for unusual circumstances. This is why it's best to allow the team in the match to decide what to do with the player rather than let the server decide. Allowing a computer to decide opens the possibility to be exploited.
Let's say I don't like you and you are on my team. All I have to do is jump right in front of you (the OP) constantly and the system (that you recommended) will punish you for 15 minutes. Once the 15 minutes are over, I can do it again and screw you over one more time before the skirmish match is over. Or how about you have a member in your team that nobody likes and wants to punish him for not following orders or not helping the team. If the team shoots that one guy as punishment, they will be the ones punished instead, not the insubordinate scrub. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
423
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Posted - 2013.04.07 21:20:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The guy has already been welcomed to New Eden long ago.
I know, I was simply trying to insinuate things. And stuff.
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