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I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
177
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Posted - 2013.04.05 23:41:00 -
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Okay so I've seen some crazy kill death ratios lately with some ridiculous amounts of WP totals. Namely from really good snipers and tank drivers.
BUT WAIT.
Us logibros were restricted from our earning potential because players were sitting in the redzone getting WP by damaging vehicles or dropsuits and repairing them. Now we have tanks and snipers sitting in the redzone doingthe exact same thing.
I've seen wp gains of 3500 or more for tanks and upwards of 2750 for snipers.
Not only this but let me review the earning potential of a logibro:
You can get a max of 5 bonuses. 25 from triage (30 with defend order), or 35 from guardian (42 with defend order). After getting these bonuses, you have a 1 minute (estimated) cooldown before you can get points again. In a 15 minute match this means you can get a maximum of 125 from repairing dropsuits, or 175 from keeping your repair tool on someone who makes a kill.
let's round this number to 150 just for ease of math purposes.
During that 1 minute of cooldown, the logibro can also revive players or get kill assists or kills. let's assume in this minute the logi gets 1 kill, two assists, and one revive. that's 50 + 25(2) + 60.
Again let's round this number to 150. Adding it to our older number of 150 to make 300 wp. 200 wp without kills and assists.
TLDR: That's 300 wp every two minutes. MAX: 2250 as a battle logi, 1500 as a support logi. This needs to be changed. |

gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
1045
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Posted - 2013.04.06 00:05:00 -
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why those are decent numbers, we're a support role, and your making some assumptions in regards to the number of kills/revives we can rack up aren't you? |

Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1050
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Posted - 2013.04.06 00:15:00 -
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Excuse me? I've gotten WP rewards in excess of 3500, and I'm not even a team player. |

Geth Massredux
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
110
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Posted - 2013.04.06 00:22:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Excuse me? I've gotten WP rewards in excess of 3500, and I'm not even a team player. Well DUHH!!! Thats because your the original LOGI BRO. When you look at the sun, the sun goes blind. Your that epic. ... And why you leave Zion? |

Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1050
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Posted - 2013.04.06 00:26:00 -
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Like I said, not a team player. Plus I was bored. And I never did anything corp-related. And I rarely if ever squaded with my corp-mates. So, like I said, not a team player. |

Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
549
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Posted - 2013.04.06 00:32:00 -
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I'd just like to get points for repping installations, vehicles, and in-map infrastructur. There can still be a cool down time and all that.
Still, I miss the days of helping my teams and getting points for all my efforts. Sigh... |

rebecca watson
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.04.06 03:09:00 -
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forgot wp for supplying teammates w ammo supplies? |

XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1266
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Posted - 2013.04.06 03:11:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Okay so I've seen some crazy kill death ratios lately with some ridiculous amounts of WP totals. Namely from really good snipers and tank drivers.
(BUT WAIT.)
Us logibros were restricted from our earning potential because players were sitting in the redzone getting WP by damaging vehicles or dropsuits and repairing them. Now we have tanks and snipers sitting in the redzone doingthe exact same thing.
I've seen wp gains of 3500 or more for tanks and upwards of 2750 for snipers.
Not only this but let me review the earning potential of a logibro:
You can get a max of 5 bonuses. 25 from triage (30 with defend order), or 35 from guardian (42 with defend order). After getting these bonuses, you have a 1 minute (estimated) cooldown before you can get points again. In a 15 minute match this means you can get a maximum of 125 from repairing dropsuits, or 175 from keeping your repair tool on someone who makes a kill.
let's round this number to 150 just for ease of math purposes.
During that 1 minute of cooldown, the logibro can also revive players or get kill assists or kills. let's assume in this minute the logi gets 1 kill, two assists, and one revive. that's 50 + 25(2) + 60.
Again let's round this number to 150. Adding it to our older number of 150 to make 300 wp. 200 wp without kills and assists.
TLDR: That's 300 wp every two minutes. MAX: 2250 as a battle logi, 1500 as a support logi. This needs to be changed. but wait there is more or what |

Sextus Hardcock
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
129
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Posted - 2013.04.06 03:32:00 -
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No WP for Redline Tanks and snipers.
problem solved.
Come out and fight B!tches |

ugg reset
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
247
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Posted - 2013.04.06 03:44:00 -
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you didn't add in that Logi bros can also get WP from killing the enemy hacking and resupplying/ healing with nano hives. The disparity of WP for Logi bros is obscured! I get placed in the top 5 of the score board regularly with single diget kills.
The role of the Logi is to keep the squad in top shape not to grind out WP; that's what tanks are for.
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Skihids
The Tritan Industries
1145
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Posted - 2013.04.06 05:40:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:you didn't add in that Logi bros can also get WP from killing the enemy hacking and resupplying/ healing with nano hives. The disparity of WP for Logi bros is obscured! I get placed in the top 5 of the score board regularly with single diget kills.
The role of the Logi is to keep the squad in top shape not to grind out WP; that's what tanks are for.
And the role of dropship is to move his squad around, only with no WPs comes no taxi service.
The Triage points won't come unless your target hurt the enemy recently, and that's enough to prevent farming. We don't need the cool down. That hurts the logi who is keeping his squad repped so they don't go own and require a rez. The logi who forgoes shooting for constant support is penalized for filling his role. |

The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
65
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Posted - 2013.04.06 07:01:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:you didn't add in that Logi bros can also get WP from killing the enemy hacking and resupplying/ healing with nano hives. The disparity of WP for Logi bros is obscured! I get placed in the top 5 of the score board regularly with single diget kills.
The role of the Logi is to keep the squad in top shape not to grind out WP; that's what tanks are for.
Same here. I am the top ten almost every time when I am in squad with good players. I use my OP LR and get lots of assists. |

The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
65
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Posted - 2013.04.06 07:05:00 -
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Skihids wrote:ugg reset wrote:you didn't add in that Logi bros can also get WP from killing the enemy hacking and resupplying/ healing with nano hives. The disparity of WP for Logi bros is obscured! I get placed in the top 5 of the score board regularly with single diget kills.
The role of the Logi is to keep the squad in top shape not to grind out WP; that's what tanks are for.
And the role of dropship is to move his squad around, only with no WPs comes no taxi service. The Triage points won't come unless your target hurt the enemy recently, and that's enough to prevent farming. We don't need the cool down. That hurts the logi who is keeping his squad repped so they don't go own and require a rez. The logi who forgoes shooting for constant support is penalized for filling his role.
Try vehicle rep or shield transfer vehicle to vehicle. 0. Nothing. None. However, I have saved many tanks and it is a challenge and pretty fun if there are people at all 4 guns.
P.S. 0/0 kdr 0 WP 650 SP not afk just doing logi stuff. |

Ripcord19981
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
22
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Posted - 2013.04.06 17:36:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'd just like to get points for repping installations, vehicles, and in-map infrastructur. There can still be a cool down time and all that.
Still, I miss the days of helping my teams and getting points for all my efforts. Sigh... Why did Youuu live zion? |

Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
144
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Posted - 2013.04.06 18:41:00 -
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I went 7/1 and got +2500 WP.
Wanna know my secret?
....Drop Uplinks....
25 Each time someone spawns, a maximum of 10 spawns on my Gauged and that thing is going to run out sooner or later, so you can get 250 from each one. Being able to carry 3 Gauged means I can get 750 WP per match from just people spawning.
My Logibro fit consists of the 3 things that get the most WP, but also help the team the most.
Drop Uplinks, Nanohives and a Repair Tool.
Look for Heavies with the Nanohives because they cant carry equipment, repair anyone you can with the repair tool and place the Drop Uplinks on elevated positions.
I dont carry a Nanite Injector because I think its useless, but if you do carry one. Revive someone, then stand in front of them, chances are they've got less health and you can tank much more damage than them. |

The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
71
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Posted - 2013.04.09 02:55:00 -
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I agree. Logi has the potential for the some of the highest points in the game. Flexible too. |

Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2013.04.09 03:03:00 -
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I'd like to see reduced repair WP but an elimination of the cap. I HATE repairing and not getting any points. Reducing the point gain to give an equal number we would receive now is fine. It just makes no sense to make players feel like they are not doing anything.
I understand this is a point of perception vs. reality. This is a game, i want to persive i am a madman who is bringing points on points on points. Although on second thought, when i stop getting rep points i go shoot things. A good incentive. |

Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2408
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Posted - 2013.04.09 03:32:00 -
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They need triage points to be limited by EITHER the "only when recently damaged" OR "with a cooldown on WP earnings", not both.
And there shouldn't be a cooldown on Guardian points, but they should be worth slightly less. 25 or 30 instead of 35. |

Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1116
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Posted - 2013.04.09 04:08:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Excuse me? I've gotten WP rewards in excess of 3500, and I'm not even a team player. Well DUHH!!! Thats because your the original LOGI BRO. When you look at the sun, the sun goes blind. Your that epic. ... And why you leave Zion?
Looking back at this thread and tasting irony.  |

Tiberion Deci
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2013.04.09 04:17:00 -
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gbghg wrote:why? those are decent numbers, we're a support role, and your making some assumptions in regards to the number of kills/revives we can rack up aren't you?
Agreed. How often does someone break 1500 WP on their own? Or 2000? Not very. I can break 1000 with my militia logi fairly consistently (unless we are getting rolled) and if I have a good heavy I can break 1300-1400. |
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copy left
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2013.04.09 04:46:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Okay so I've seen some crazy kill death ratios lately with some ridiculous amounts of WP totals. Namely from really good snipers and tank drivers.
BUT WAIT.
Us logibros were restricted from our earning potential because players were sitting in the redzone getting WP by damaging vehicles or dropsuits and repairing them. Now we have tanks and snipers sitting in the redzone doingthe exact same thing.
I've seen wp gains of 3500 or more for tanks and upwards of 2750 for snipers.
Not only this but let me review the earning potential of a logibro:
You can get a max of 5 bonuses. 25 from triage (30 with defend order), or 35 from guardian (42 with defend order). After getting these bonuses, you have a 1 minute (estimated) cooldown before you can get points again. In a 15 minute match this means you can get a maximum of 125 from repairing dropsuits, or 175 from keeping your repair tool on someone who makes a kill.
let's round this number to 150 just for ease of math purposes.
During that 1 minute of cooldown, the logibro can also revive players or get kill assists or kills. let's assume in this minute the logi gets 1 kill, two assists, and one revive. that's 50 + 25(2) + 60.
Again let's round this number to 150. Adding it to our older number of 150 to make 300 wp. 200 wp without kills and assists.
TLDR: That's 300 wp every two minutes. MAX: 2250 as a battle logi, 1500 as a support logi. This needs to be changed.
Dude im a logi, and I can make 3000 WP a game easily.
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
40
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Posted - 2013.04.09 04:50:00 -
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Someone way back when had suggested limiting or separating out the Support War Point gains from the standard pool to stop the orbital farming. During the days when farming was an activity that actually required effort, it's funny how that has changed. |
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