DUST Search - [BUG] skill - xxxx logistic dropsuit (before relase)

Eltra Ardell wrote:

Apparently no one here plays EVE. The racial dropsuits can be thought of as T2 suits. For example, a T2 ship in EVE gets a bonus for the racial cruiser skill and the relevant T2 skill. Example:

Ishtar (Gallente Heavy Assault Ship)
Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level.
Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: +5 km bonus to Scout and Heavy Drone operation range and +50 m3 extra Drone Bay space per level

This ship requires both skills to be flown. One skill gives one bonus, the other skill gives the other bonus.

These suits in DUST will be similar, though the skill requirements "flipped" (in EVE, the racial skill is the base and the generic skill is the T2 skill). So:

Racial Logistics Suit
Prereqs: Generic Logistics, Racial Logistics
Generic Logistics Bonus: +1 HP Armor Repair per Second
Racial Logistics Bonus: Whatever

Training the generic skill to 5 will give you 5 HP regenerated every second. This skill is separate from the racial skills and training racial skills will not confer additional bonuses related to the generic skill. Racial skills will only provide the relevant bonus to the relevant suit.

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Jack Boost Zarena Family 224	Posted - 2013.04.05 07:39:00 - [1] - Quote Things to consider: Best tanking suit will be caldari logistic, why? 1. Train up ALL faction logistic dropsuit. This give you +20HP!!! to armor recharge rate (even without armor reps?)(+5HP for faction logistic dropsuit skill at max lev) 2. With caldari logistic dropsuit you got also +5% HP to any shield extender. CCP ? You know what you doing? * http://imgur.com/a/JfzwX#1 ** first bug before relase
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 16	Posted - 2013.04.05 10:23:00 - [2] - Quote I guess (and hope) that these bonusses are linked to the suit not to the character. So if you train Gallente Logistics to 5 you will get +5HP/sec Armorrepair for your Gallente Logi Suit but your Caldari would still have +0 But yes I have wondered myself the about the bonusses ^^ a clarification would be nice
Jack Boost Zarena Family 224	Posted - 2013.04.05 10:52:00 - [3] - Quote For now (lol) there are two bonuses: - for logistic dropsuit (any) - HP rep rate rise - for specific factional logistic dropsuit Posibly fix is to move this bonus for specific factional logistic dropsuit. If this stay at this noone in normal fight kill logibro.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 261	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:10:00 - [4] - Quote The wording involved follows EVE lines, where faction logistics dropsuit skill will affect the faction logistics dropsuit, resulting in only 5hp/s from caldari logistics. It's just a work in progress at the SiSi server. We haven't got the base slot layout and stats yet, either. Given that, the ability to fit +25% modded shield extenders and full low rack of plates (with the suit repper) will make it my preferred tanky sniping dropsuit, based on the given info. I'm hoping heavy suit base stats get buffed through the roof to make them the ultimate tanks.
Cat Merc OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 379	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:27:00 - [5] - Quote So Legis are now both versatile and more more resilient than an Assault? Why am I using an assault again?
NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens EoN. 59	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:59:00 - [6] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Things to consider: Best tanking suit will be caldari logistic, why? 1. Train up ALL faction logistic dropsuit. This give you +20HP!!! to armor recharge rate (even without armor reps?)(+5HP for faction logistic dropsuit skill at max lev) 2. With caldari logistic dropsuit you got also +5% HP to any shield extender. CCP ? You know what you doing? * http://imgur.com/a/JfzwX#1 ** first bug before relase For you people that are clearly new to EvE race bonuses only work if your using that races gear.... You can't use gallente drop suits and get caldari bonuses. If you don't believe me or think I'm trolling hop on EvE online and check out the ships they have role bonuses as well. And getting in one ship does give you every other ships bonuses please stop this rumor it madness.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 16	Posted - 2013.04.05 12:05:00 - [7] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Jack Boost wrote: Things to consider: Best tanking suit will be caldari logistic, why? 1. Train up ALL faction logistic dropsuit. This give you +20HP!!! to armor recharge rate (even without armor reps?)(+5HP for faction logistic dropsuit skill at max lev) 2. With caldari logistic dropsuit you got also +5% HP to any shield extender. CCP ? You know what you doing? * http://imgur.com/a/JfzwX#1 ** first bug before relase For you people that are clearly new to EvE race bonuses only work if your using that races gear.... You can't use gallente drop suits and get caldari bonuses. If you don't believe me or think I'm trolling hop on EvE online and check out the ships they have role bonuses as well. And getting in one ship does give you every other ships bonuses please stop this rumor it madness. That makes sense :). The question is will the Caldari Logistics Bonus affect Caldari Assault Suits or just the Logistic Suits the (propably not final) description isn't clear here...
Jack Boost Zarena Family 224	Posted - 2013.04.05 12:14:00 - [8] - Quote From skill description Caldari logistics dropsuits: ... Logistic suit bonus: + 1 HP to dropsuit armor repair rate per level. Caldari Logistic bonus: +5% to efficacy (!?) of shield extender modules per level. 1 bonus to ALL. I dont care if this is racial skill.. but bonus apply to all logistic dropsuit... so this topic is about. 2 bonus apply to caldari logistic dropsuit - true
NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens EoN. 59	Posted - 2013.04.05 12:40:00 - [9] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: From skill description Caldari logistics dropsuits: ... Logistic suit bonus: + 1 HP to dropsuit armor repair rate per level. Caldari Logistic bonus: +5% to efficacy (!?) of shield extender modules per level. 1 bonus to ALL. I dont care if this is racial skill.. but bonus apply to all logistic dropsuit... so this topic is about. 2 bonus apply to caldari logistic dropsuit - true Ah nvm I see ur point carry on^^
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1271	Posted - 2013.04.05 13:07:00 - [10] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Things to consider: Best tanking suit will be caldari logistic, why? 1. Train up ALL faction logistic dropsuit. This give you +20HP!!! to armor recharge rate (even without armor reps?)(+5HP for faction logistic dropsuit skill at max lev) 2. With caldari logistic dropsuit you got also +5% HP to any shield extender. CCP ? You know what you doing? * http://imgur.com/a/JfzwX#1 ** first bug before relase i think it's obvious that every faction bonuses are tied to the racial suit itself. Same goes for every Class Bonus. Skilling level 5 in all logistics suit shouldnt give you 5*5 the logistic bonus.

Jack Boost Zarena Family 224	Posted - 2013.04.05 13:21:00 - [11] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Skilling level 5 in all logistics suit shouldnt give you 5*5 the logistic bonus and i think CCP knows it. I know how is diference with having +2, +3 or +5HP at armor reps.... so clarifying this at skill now is crucial. If CCP know this why they 'split' this bonus for two bonuses (racial and base)? Just leave it as one racial bonus... and noone ask, but... ... if... nvm Remember CCP rebalances dropsuits. We dont know witch way. If logibro got huge autorepair bonus ... heavy can get huge HP overal boost and others dropsuit get another. Now all is only speculation, but this topic can be fixed without any delay.
G Torq ALTA B2O 129	Posted - 2013.04.07 08:38:00 - [12] - Quote Seems to be similar with Assault suits, whose shield recharge rate goes up by a lot.
Thranx1231 CowTek IT Infotech 99	Posted - 2013.04.07 11:15:00 - [13] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: If you don't believe me or think I'm trolling We all know that. What corner of the planet have you been lounging at?
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD 325	Posted - 2013.04.07 11:57:00 - [14] - Quote @Jack Boost, This is the unofficial version, correct? Since the one that will still be subject to change isn't due until Apr 28, this cannot really be a bug. Also the document doesn't actually say that. It says there will be a 5% efficacy to shield extender modules. Which doesn't translate to 5HP no matter how I read it. Efficacy does not mean efficiency so I wonder if it is just a typo as well. Efficiency would imply a 5% reduction is its requirements. Much like the CPU requirements get modified by various Skills and would be consistent with what currently exists. If it does mean efficacy I would read that to mean a 5% boost to the shield extenders value. A 22HP shield extender at lvl 1 would be a 23.1 in effect while the current Complex Shield Extender based at 66 HP would be 82.5 HP at lvl 5. Hardly enough to make it a tank. Unless your version of tank and mine are significantly different.
Agent Overkill Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.04.07 18:14:00 - [15] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Logistic suit bonus: + 1 HP to dropsuit armor repair rate per level. The way I see it as Logistic suit bonus = a bonus for logistic dropsuits.
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.04.08 05:49:00 - [16] - Quote So you played uprising build and you know that they will do this to dropsuits right? No? Well sorry bud, wait for the build then... and stop posting "bugs" before new build comes up.
Mark0h SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:41:00 - [17] - Quote The skills don't look to bad. I mean seriously, 25% of 66(Complex Shield Extender). 16 more shield hp per complex mod, so an extra 50-60 Shield hp depending on how many extenders(3-4) you use. So one more AR bullets worth of s/hp at lvl 5. Lol, its not that over powered.Its the ability to maybe substitute another mod instead of using a straight rack of extenders. Like maybe a scan mod, or a damage mod if that's your preference.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 972	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:51:00 - [18] - Quote It appears that these suits have a bonus tied to a separate logistic suit skill, in addition to the skill required to unlock them.
Eltra Ardell Immobile Infantry 14	Posted - 2013.04.08 19:33:00 - [19] - Quote Apparently no one here plays EVE. The racial dropsuits can be thought of as T2 suits. For example, a T2 ship in EVE gets a bonus for the racial cruiser skill and the relevant T2 skill. Example: Ishtar (Gallente Heavy Assault Ship) Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: +5 km bonus to Scout and Heavy Drone operation range and +50 m3 extra Drone Bay space per level This ship requires both skills to be flown. One skill gives one bonus, the other skill gives the other bonus. These suits in DUST will be similar, though the skill requirements "flipped" (in EVE, the racial skill is the base and the generic skill is the T2 skill). So: Racial Logistics Suit Prereqs: Generic Logistics, Racial Logistics Generic Logistics Bonus: +1 HP Armor Repair per Second Racial Logistics Bonus: Whatever Training the generic skill to 5 will give you 5 HP regenerated every second. This skill is separate from the racial skills and training racial skills will not confer additional bonuses related to the generic skill. Racial skills will only provide the relevant bonus to the relevant suit.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 218	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:00:00 - [20] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: Apparently no one here plays EVE. The racial dropsuits can be thought of as T2 suits. For example, a T2 ship in EVE gets a bonus for the racial cruiser skill and the relevant T2 skill. Example: Ishtar (Gallente Heavy Assault Ship) Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: +5 km bonus to Scout and Heavy Drone operation range and +50 m3 extra Drone Bay space per level This ship requires both skills to be flown. One skill gives one bonus, the other skill gives the other bonus. These suits in DUST will be similar, though the skill requirements "flipped" (in EVE, the racial skill is the base and the generic skill is the T2 skill). So: Racial Logistics Suit Prereqs: Generic Logistics, Racial Logistics Generic Logistics Bonus: +1 HP Armor Repair per Second Racial Logistics Bonus: Whatever Training the generic skill to 5 will give you 5 HP regenerated every second. This skill is separate from the racial skills and training racial skills will not confer additional bonuses related to the generic skill. Racial skills will only provide the relevant bonus to the relevant suit. This.

Jack Boost Zarena Family 236	Posted - 2013.04.09 08:56:00 - [21] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: Apparently no one here plays EVE.... Ishtar (Gallente Heavy Assault Ship) Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: +5 km bonus to Scout and Heavy Drone operation range and +50 m3 extra Drone Bay space per level As can you see (if you play Eve) this skill design dont give you extra benefits. Racial skill bonus (Gallente Cruiser Skill ) + general skil bonus (Heavy Assault Ship Skill ) Here in dust in the next build 4 racial skils give you extra bonus: 4x general bonus for logistc suit + 1 faction bonus for faction logistic dropsuit .. if used. This is difference and this can be fixed wihout playing new build ... now. End of transmition.
Lasarte Ioni Noob Gaming 92	Posted - 2013.04.30 14:01:00 - [22] - Quote since everyone is telling you but you don't want to undestand... anyone (but you) can see that there's gonna be a "logistic dropsuit" skill that you probably need to get to lvl 3 or something to unlock the racial variant : "[race] logistic dropsuit" Without both of em, you can't fit a [race] logistic dropsuit. So its a tree: first you unlock "logistic dropsuit" then it spreads into 4 branches, one of each race. Since "logistic dropsuit" is a shared skill, there's no such thing as "i got 4 different logistic skills (actually u got 5) so i can get +20HP/s" names are quite literal things in videogames(and anything computer related) , if it says "bonus to logistic dropsuit skill" you should watch for a skill exactly named like that and not anyting that has "logistic dropsuit" as part of its name It's like saying:"hey yo, i got 4(races)*4(suits)+4(base suit skill) skills with the word "dropsuit" on it, i'm gonna get crazy bonuses on any suit if i get em all to 5" ofc you don't, the names don't match. Sorry if i'm rude, but ppl keep telling you while you just keep playing "contract lawyer" seeking the smallest grammatical ambiguity and calling it a bug. PD: srry for my awful english :D Edit:grammar fixes; seems that having "spanish languaje" to lvl 4 doesn't stack with "english languaje" lvl 1 while trying to write in english, exactly the same that happens with dropsuits
Jack Boost Zarena Family 239	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:38:00 - [23] - Quote Check this thread with test pic current build https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774919#post774919 So CCP 1. Bug or works as intended? 2. For now this it is broken description anyway. (Put here that it is working only with one faction line : basic and specialized) or give ppl bonus acros the board ;)


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