This has me a bit worried. If AR, or worse, ScR cannot hit head precisely at 100 meters... Forget about any targeting, just spray at chest and hope for lucky head dispersion. Skill factor non existent. Sniper long range field control and tactical play non existent. Even if this would be fixed at sharpshooter V so that you hit where you aim instead of where the dice decides, all it will do is remove the last advantage newbies could have on veterans.

Wish this gets confirmed at the spreadsheet. This might be the worst decision in dust design history. An fps games competitiveness is measured by being able to out aim others, take it away and dust is skillpoint spray online.

The ballistic properties of fictional weapons firing fictional ammunition vs real weapons and physics has about as much place in this as building a star gate does to nasa's space program, although i get what you are saying and smgs could use a range buff but at the same time pistols deserve some sort of balance in their favor as well, right now we only have scramblers but there should be others down the pipe at some point.. The time it takes to switch from AR to a smg compared to a pistol should be 2x as long because its way easier to draw a pistol then ready a smg. Also a pistol should probably hit harder as it would use heavier slugs or make movement quicker and easier.

I find it interesting that year 2000 rifles will be more effective then super technology futuristic rifles. I guess progress does not always march forward.

Pretty sure he's just making the example that SMGs should have more range. we know videogames cant mirror reality because the maps simply arent big enough. I think SMGs would be cool with 40m of range. They would still be outdistanced by ARs.

I'm surprised the SMG users havent cried foul. 15m is crazy. If any weapon should have that short a range it should be the pistol. its damage per round is VERY HIGH and if you cant hit anything with it then the fault is within.

I never understood this whole "we need a reason to use it" argument...WE HAVE ONE. The single round damage is higher than anything but the sniper rifle, mass driver and forge gun and the fire rate is high. If you're missing with it you're doing it wrong.

Pretty sure he's just making the example that SMGs should have more range. we know videogames cant mirror reality because the maps simply arent big enough. I think SMGs would be cool with 40m of range. They would still be outdistanced by ARs.

I'm surprised the SMG users havent cried foul. 15m is crazy. If any weapon should have that short a range it should be the pistol. its damage per round is VERY HIGH and if you cant hit anything with it then the fault is within.

I never understood this whole "we need a reason to use it" argument...WE HAVE ONE. The single round damage is higher than anything but the sniper rifle, mass driver and forge gun and the fire rate is high. If you're missing with it you're doing it wrong.

This has me a bit worried. If AR, or worse, ScR cannot hit head precisely at 100 meters... Forget about any targeting, just spray at chest and hope for lucky head dispersion. Skill factor non existent. Sniper long range field control and tactical play non existent. Even if this would be fixed at sharpshooter V so that you hit where you aim instead of where the dice decides, all it will do is remove the last advantage newbies could have on veterans.

Wish this gets confirmed at the spreadsheet. This might be the worst decision in dust design history. An fps games competitiveness is measured by being able to out aim others, take it away and dust is skillpoint spray online.

I don't think the skill will change guys, according to the new skills, if they ever come out as final.

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not sure if serious...but I hope not. One AR should be able to hit a target at 100m and its the Tactical. You've literally lost your mind if you think even the Duvolle should have that kind of range. Medium range is 40-70m, not 100+

The LR and Tac AR need to have advantages over the AR and they should dominate the medium long range area (70-120m)

not sure if serious...but I hope not. One AR should be able to hit a target at 100m and its the Tactical. You've literally lost your mind if you think even the Duvolle should have that kind of range. Medium range is 40-70m, not 100+

The LR and Tac AR need to have advantages over the AR and they should dominate the medium long range area (70-120m)

great point. lasers and tactical assault rifle users need to be able to outrange the normal assault rifle just like the ar does to the shotgun and smg.

you guys realise that 99% of the time snipers operate well within their maximum range, right? There are only 2 maps in which it is efficient to operate outside that range, and then only in certain circumstances..... I don't see this having much of an effect on sniping whatsoever.

Incidentally, if maximum range isn't going to be affected, and the optimal range for a sniper is the same as its maximum range, what will the sniper sharpshooting skill do?

All we've been told is that AR Sharpshooter isn't going to affect max range. There's the Sisi info that suggests Heavy Sharpshooter will be a range buff. Sniper Sharpshooter makes sense to be a range increase as well.

All we've been told is that AR Sharpshooter isn't going to affect max range. There's the Sisi info that suggests Heavy Sharpshooter will be a range buff. Sniper Sharpshooter makes sense to be a range increase as well.

All we've been told is that AR Sharpshooter isn't going to affect max range. There's the Sisi info that suggests Heavy Sharpshooter will be a range buff. Sniper Sharpshooter makes sense to be a range increase as well.

just saying, the SMG will be pathetic without a range buff and without a skill to increase its range.

it already is very situational in the current state where you can upgrade the optimal range to 23m with MAX skills in both sharpshooter skills (you get ONLY 7m of optimal range from a big SP investment, quite pathetic). most fights happen beyond 20m and now imagine the sharpshooter skill does not increase range anymore and you end with pathetic 16m optimal range.

also what kind of design is this actually? I can tell you, it is very bad. you can limit the range of most weapons much easier with their ACCURACY stat. sure, you can include a max range but atleast make it REASONABLE. just take the SMG, with max. skills you can pump the optimal range up to 23m but the SMG is not the most accurate and will actually miss alot of damage at ranges of 20 meters making it already supbar beyond 20m (oh look the optimal range of 23m is not optimal at all), even if it had 40m optimal range you would not hit anything with it at such ranges.

considering that maps are going to get HUGE, there will absolutely be a skill in order to increase distance for snipers. This is common sense.

No, the heavy weapons sharpshooter skill does not add range. It clearly says in the description that it increases maximum effective range, the same as the Assault Rifle Sharpshooter skill.

All weapons will have fixed maximum values now. Your weapon sharpshooter skill will increase how effective you are over that range.

It is a change for the news, because weapons with wildly different ranges would have been quite confusing.

the only thing is they have to raise the SMG cpu/pg and along with the range. if it stays the same people can exploit it to basically outfit two primaries.

maybe only the militia and toxin have low range and cost. the STD and higher will be like a normal primary.