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Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:31:00 -
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They home in and can do some pretty immense damage, but even if somehow you manage to miss they turn into temporary Proximity Mines.
Win/Win |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:36:00 -
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if you'd stop trying to roll me over with your free lav, maybe you wouldn't worry so much about them.
also every grenade has it's perfect scenarios, flux are amazing to spam when you are behind cover, and locus are amazing to spam when they are behind cover.
either way every grenade results in easy kills given the right scenario. |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:38:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:if you'd stop trying to roll me over with your free lav, maybe you wouldn't worry so much about them.
also every grenade has it's perfect scenarios, flux are amazing to spam when you are behind cover, and locus are amazing to spam when they are behind cover.
Since when is my Gunnlogi free? 
Is it not enough that AV Nades home in? Do they really need to turn into Proxy Mines when we already have real Proxy Mines? |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
57
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:40:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:calisk galern wrote:if you'd stop trying to roll me over with your free lav, maybe you wouldn't worry so much about them.
also every grenade has it's perfect scenarios, flux are amazing to spam when you are behind cover, and locus are amazing to spam when they are behind cover. Since when is my Gunnlogi free? Is it not enough that AV Nades home in? Do they really need to turn into Proxy Mines when we already have real Proxy Mines?
I think i've seen a grenade successfully work as a proxy mine once, either way it doesn't happen near enough to be an issue.
also it takes about 9-11 packed av grenades or more depending on your mods to take out a decently specced gunlogi.
also if you are rail gun sniping from 2-3 miles into the red zone, theirs little to no chance an av grenade will ever grace the presence of your shields |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
Red Rock Consortium
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:47:00 -
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Tank drivers are the biggest bunch of whiners in the game. I used to hunt them down but any more I just ignore them as they only distract from the mission at hand. They do so little to influence the skirmish matches and are easy to avoid in the ambushes. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:51:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Tank drivers are the biggest bunch of whiners in the game. I used to hunt them down but any more I just ignore them as they only distract from the mission at hand. They do so little to influence the skirmish matches and are easy to avoid in the ambushes.
Not true actually, I've seen some really good tank drivers lately. Good core of like 2 tanks with a LAV or DS support and a bunch of snipers on Overwatch ANTI-AV. The Snipers kept the heavys and AVs pinned down and the Tanks just ROFLstomped anyone on the field. The DS mostly ran counter sniper flying over and bombing snipers.
Its been good days in Dust. |
Flamesea
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:53:00 -
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Knight SoIaire...
You "had" 2 proto tanks in that 5 obj map yesterday?
It was funny game..it took us 2-3 shots with forge to drop you ( first one in rear ).
You took my corp mates tanks down and we took two of yours ( running with forges after you ).
Was fun :)
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
Red Rock Consortium
461
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:58:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Not true actually, I've seen some really good tank drivers lately...
Sounds like a well organized team. I have yet to see that on the field. Mostly it seems they've been moving back to the redline and acting as a super heavy sniper.
Every time my little corp talks about going HAV we decide to stick to infantry tactics instead.
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:07:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote: Sounds like a well organized team. I have yet to see that on the field. Mostly it seems they've been moving back to the redline and acting as a super heavy sniper.
Every time my little corp talks about going HAV we decide to stick to infantry tactics instead.
Its hard to have good tactics, its complicated and everyone needs to give up their idea of what they "want" to do. I feel kinda sad when I read the forums because everyone complains about this or that being OP, but none of the examples really ever give examples of good squad play.
Why should a tank be able to be unrivaled on the battlefield with no counter, you are just 1 guy, why should your 1 guy in 1 tank be better then 1 guy with his AV. I see HAV as a corp weapon more then a pub weapon where you are going to run into problems getting any kind of support. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
Red Rock Consortium
461
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:18:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:I see HAV as a corp weapon more then a pub weapon where you are going to run into problems getting any kind of support.
This.
We're too small to do it right and not that interested in growing too fast. Because of our size I've had much better experiences running with good LAV and DS pilots. I've teamed up with Bojo and Silverback(sp?) and done door gunner and objective hacking and felt like I've made a good contribution to the team. I suppose HAVs could be used to deliver infantry to the right places too but all too often it seems like they are just there to rampage around killing things. I understand killing clones is useful too but not always what you need.
Just to be clear, I'm not against HAVs. I'm just irritated that so many that I've seen are just super heavy snipers that whine about any form of AV. |
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
410
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:27:00 -
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This thread again? Seriously, before you even *think* about typing, you should use the search engine. This topic has been discussed SO MANY DAMN TIMES over the last few weeks. Hell, I told someone to kitten off YESTERDAY when he made an AV thread.
This same thread went up a couple of days ago, too.
SEARCH UTILITY. USE IT. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3340
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:30:00 -
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I am sorry but if I pop my head out of cover the vehicle is going to take it off. I'll will just take advantage of you being an idiot and parking near my cover to throw grenades over the wall. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:46:00 -
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Flamesea wrote:Knight SoIaire...
You "had" 2 proto tanks in that 5 obj map yesterday?
It was funny game..it took us 2-3 shots with forge to drop you ( first one in rear ).
You took my corp mates tanks down and we took two of yours ( running with forges after you ).
Was fun :)
I hate taking my tank out in Skirm matches.
The enemy team has too much time to switch to an AV fit.
Even if we do manage to redline the enemy team they all become hellbent on taking me out.
I had some guy chase me half way across the map trying to get rid of my last bit of shield, until a friendly turret took him out. |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:57:00 -
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There have been a ton of these posts. Right now things are working pretty well. A good tanker with infantry support (and/or no opponents using good AV gear) still wrecks everybody in a match.
However, if the tankers teammates arent doing anything or the opponents have a few with good av gear, the tanker cannot dominate.
Sounds pretty balanced. (not perfect, but pretty good) |
Thor Thunder Fist
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:16:00 -
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Knight is right although I am also a tanker they have just become LAV's with really big turrets. I've not seen a tank in a long time that I cannot solo with my standard tier forge gun. I actually 1 vs 1'd a tanker yesterday I was out in the open bout 5 feet in front of him he could not kill me before I got 3 shots off and that was enough to pop him. also AV nades need to lose most of their damage or the homing they out DPS the large proto blaster turret and all you have to say is well he is that way lets chuck em in his general direction. I've actually stoped using tanks and am looking forward to specing into something different come the respec as tanks have been nerfed to hell and back. I salute all who continue to tread the path of the vehicle. |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:18:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:There have been a ton of these posts. Right now things are working pretty well. A good tanker with infantry support (and/or no opponents using good AV gear) still wrecks everybody in a match.
However, if the tankers teammates arent doing anything or the opponents have a few with good av gear, the tanker cannot dominate.
Sounds pretty balanced. (not perfect, but pretty good)
BUT tanks are not the only ones effected by AV. Lets keep that in mind. Those AV options balanced against tanks are broken against LAV and DS
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Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1151
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:49:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:mikegunnz wrote:There have been a ton of these posts. Right now things are working pretty well. A good tanker with infantry support (and/or no opponents using good AV gear) still wrecks everybody in a match.
However, if the tankers teammates arent doing anything or the opponents have a few with good av gear, the tanker cannot dominate.
Sounds pretty balanced. (not perfect, but pretty good) BUT tanks are not the only ones effected by AV. Lets keep that in mind. Those AV options balanced against tanks are broken against LAV and DS
A saga can take may e 4 or 5 AV bases while running both a shield rep, and a 30% shiels hardener. The added speed a lab does not help too much h, because if you move too fast, and rake a sharp turn, you'll barrel roll to your doom. |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
473
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:50:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:mikegunnz wrote:There have been a ton of these posts. Right now things are working pretty well. A good tanker with infantry support (and/or no opponents using good AV gear) still wrecks everybody in a match.
However, if the tankers teammates arent doing anything or the opponents have a few with good av gear, the tanker cannot dominate.
Sounds pretty balanced. (not perfect, but pretty good) BUT tanks are not the only ones effected by AV. Lets keep that in mind. Those AV options balanced against tanks are broken against LAV and DS
I would agree with you, except that swarms are an av weapon that is mainly effective against ground vehicles... not so much against air. A good DS pilot can outmaneuver swarms and will only occasionally be taken down by them. (usually only if they get careless) |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:42:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:They home in and can do some pretty immense damage, but even if somehow you manage to miss they turn into temporary Proximity Mines.
Win/Win
AV nades can miss, I have no idea how I managed too, but the stupid thing just flew straight into the ground and blew up, completely missed the free LAV it had started to home in on. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:16:00 -
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People who roll tanks in pubs: the ultimate crutch |
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:55:00 -
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Sigh. Here we go.
I personally have seen a DS take 3 hits from a forge gun (militia, no damage mods) before flying away to safety. It had only just about lost its shields, and the second shot was a lucky hit.
Swarms. I've seen a LOT of DS's outrun swarm launchers. And if you're close enough to the ground to be hit by AV nades, well... Not very clever, are you?
Onto LAV's. LAV's are meant to be LIGHTLY armored. Their modern day equivalent could be seen to be a jeep, or even a humvee. A humvee isn't really built to withstand AV, or many explosives, really.
HAV's... Well. That's another topic. AV, IMO, is fairly balanced against *properly fitted* HAV's. And again, HAV's aren't meant to run solo. They're mean to run with infantry support, it's exceedingly difficult for any AV to get a hit on a vehicle if the vehicle has infantry with ARs, LRs or even sniper rifles firing on the AV. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
475
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:03:00 -
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nothing like driving a LAV behind a vehicle and hoping out just as he is bombarded with another AV for me to help out on its destruction.
glad they fixed the packed AV grenades. something i skilled into should definitely insta-kill a free LAV every heavy calls in because he is slow and dumb. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:47:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:they have just become LAV's with really big turrets
I've seen tanks just sit in the middle of orbital strikes, your argument is invalid. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:06:00 -
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I have a couple of very nice Sica fittings that can seriously ruin the days of enemy infantry, but I'm smart enough to run (or ditch the tank and pull my Shotgun) when there's good AV on the field. Also, while it can be nasty even against Protosuits, and will usually survive long enough to get a lone AV guy killed, I only need a maximum of 2 battles to afford a new one.
If your Gunnlogi is dying consistently against anything less than a coordinate AV squad, you might want to look into how you're using it... |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:07:00 -
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Laheon wrote:This thread again? Seriously, before you even *think* about typing, you should use the search engine. This topic has been discussed SO MANY DAMN TIMES over the last few weeks. Hell, I told someone to kitten off YESTERDAY when he made an AV thread.
This same thread went up a couple of days ago, too.
SEARCH UTILITY. USE IT.
But Laaaaaaaheooooooon....
Some guys named Hercules and Vegas locked them all down and I really wanted to post this!
/sarcasm |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.04.05 02:05:00 -
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Laheon wrote:This thread again? Seriously, before you even *think* about typing, you should use the search engine. This topic has been discussed SO MANY DAMN TIMES over the last few weeks. Hell, I told someone to kitten off YESTERDAY when he made an AV thread.
This same thread went up a couple of days ago, too.
SEARCH UTILITY. USE IT.
It was also my thread  |
pwnzortank
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Posted - 2013.04.05 06:15:00 -
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Knight buddy you can't be serious nades in general are flawed you can jump over locus and av nades seemingly become less effective even protos just my opinion though what do I know I get left on the ground while you guys do your tank thing |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.04.05 12:31:00 -
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pwnzortank wrote:Knight buddy you can't be serious nades in general are flawed you can jump over locus and av nades seemingly become less effective even protos just my opinion though what do I know I get left on the ground while you guys do your tank thing
I dont care anymore.
AV nades and other types will most likely require different skills. Thats all I needed. |
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