SCOUTS HAVE NO STEALTH BONUS. IF SOMEONE LOOKS UP. THEY SEE ME. AND THEN, SAID SCOUT IS DEAD IN 2 SECONDS.

OH OH new thought



NOT HAVING 2 JUMPS KILL YOUR ENTIRE STAMINA

that would be awesome.. the anti bunny hoping nerf to jumping and stamina is very annoying when I miss jumping on my second jump and have to sit there waiting for stamina to recharge to get where I want to go. then you dont wait long enough and try again but dont have enough stamina for a proper jump so dont make it and wipe out your stamina again.

its a knee high fence why cant I hop over it dammit

4. How is ok to make it entirely impossible for scouts to make a survivable fitting while using e-wear and biotics (the situation as it currently exists)? Let's take an a-series for example:

Highs:
GÇó precision enhancer
GÇó complex shield extender

Lows:
GÇó kinetic catalyzer
GÇó range amplifier

Total HP with shield control/field mechanics 5:
GÇó shield 190
GÇó armor 110

This suit has no ability to heal itself has ridiculously low HP can't even fit a damping mod. And you are telling me that this is ok... Man wake up an smell what you're shovlin.

Now I want you to make this fitting and field test it and the tell me how well you do in it.

I'm not interested in fitting suggestion from another person who thinks that the only combat a "scout" should see is shooting someone in the back with a shot gun.

Not interested in what your personal opinions of Rei are. What I am interested in is making the scout role live up to its name. To have a suit class capable of performing the recon roll with out dying every time someone sees it. You people are acting as though my suggestions are outlandish. This is absolutely absurd.

Dude you have a grand total of 3 (repeat 3) kills with a KDR of .38. Why am I even talking to you?

And that is what my post sounded like to you, hunh (your ego is astounding). It couldn't have possibly been that I was making legitimate complaints. Ok then, let's do some math:

Currently this is how I run a recon fit b-series scout suit:

2x complex shield extenders
1x enhanced armor plate
1x basic armor repair

1x exile assault rifle (ah you thought I only used the SMG didn't you, shows how little you really know about me)
1x AV grenades
1x remote explosives
1x gauged nanohive

Now, my CPU and PG skills are maxed, and with this fitting my CPU/PG consumption is as follows:

219/221
45/57

My shield control and field mechanics are maxed, giving me a grand total HP count of:

222 shield
247 armor

GT 469

I have an alt character that is skilled into assaults, so let's compare his total HP on a b-series assault just for comparison of what I might be up against in a recon situation:

This is with shield control 2 and field mechanics 2.

447 shield
180 armor

GT 627
GT with max skills would be 702

Now, why do I run this fit? Because, when I get to a point I am reckoning I am usually utterly alone, with the rest of my squad either a good distance behind me or moping up from our last engagement. I know that I will be engaging multiple hostiles with superior survivability, and most likely I will have to engage multiple hostiles to initiate taking control of a "situation" (I am of course talking about playing a skirmish here).

And I perform this roll very well.

Now under these circumstances should I be effing around with stealth mods trying to sneak up on people like some stupid jack@$$ or should I -ábe using the speed inherent to the scout plus whatever survivability I can squeeze out of the suit.

I know that you like to play ambush a lot Rei, but the tactics that are viable in an ambush are not going to be reflective of the tactics that are going to be necessary to maintain control of districts when planetary conquest arrives.

now let's take a look at this pathetic scout that-áGarrett suggested I use for this roll

87 shield
169 armor

GT 255

Now what you're telling me is that I am supposed to engage multiple hostiles, guarding an objective, who are looking ever direction they possible can trying desperately find any threats in the area in order to ensure their own survival, and I am supposed to do all of this while all of those hostiles out class me in survivability by nearly a multiple of three, and all because I've got some dampening mods and I happen to be able to see where they are on my scope. Ridiculous.

The reason I run what I run is because it work. It doesn't work as well as it should but it works a hell of a lot better than the ridiculousness you guys are suggesting.

So this brings me to the point were we need to ask a couple of fundamental questions:

1. Who would be stupid enough to actually use scan dampening and biotic mods on a scout?

2. So if scanning dampening and biotic mods are not for scouts then who are they for?

Well with my assault alt I have been testing out a few fittings with the scan and dampening mods, with some interesting results, but ultimately the fittings are not viable because they lack the speed necessary to perform to recon roll.

Which leads me back to my earlier suggestions.

Look, this is what I am saying 469 hit point compared to 702 hit points is already a severe gimp. Not to mention being forced to to use nothing but an exile due to CPU constraints.

My suggestion to set strafe speeds back to pre nerf is a benefit to all suit classes. And quite frankly I do not at all understand why it was ever changed in the first place? With the exception that I have heard that the reason why it was changed has nothing to do with what you guys are suggesting (people not being able to track scout) but was due to some kind of hit detection glitch due to the then current movement speeds (something I never experienced/had a problem with and if I did it must have been very rare because I do not remember it at all.

My suggestion to give scouts the dedicated slots is in order to keep the modules in question from becoming obsolete. Mainly the scan and dampening and biotic mods were intended to be used with the scouts, but as it stand right now, you would have to be an abslute morron to actually use them on a scout, in say something like a corp battle.-áWill these extra slot really make much of a difference outside of slightly helping to close the HP gap between scout and assault through meta tactics (something that is sorely needed any way). No. Remember the scout costs the same amount of SP to skill into (actually more if you count dropsuit command) and even more ISK to purchase/maintain.

And finaly clocking, to finish closing the HP gap through meta tactics.

I fail to see what the problem is here. If I am missing something please enlighten me.

Well come back and talk to us when you aren't all scaret of showing us who you are.

@ Rei:

Your post sums up my entire point: there is no viable recon fitting available to scouts.

what the hell am I suposed to do when I get to the recon point? Sit there and jerk it while the enemy hack the objective? Watch the enemy finish steam rolling the friendlies? Let them simply push through to a stratigic point? Recon is about more than just giving intel and any Army Ranger would be glad to tell you that. They don't give those guys guns for nothing you know.

{edit>>> I do what I can until reinforcements arive. And my 5% reduction in speed still puts me well above the speed of any assault out there especially when you consider that almost every assault is wearing at least one plate anyway. It does a hell of a lot better than what you are suggesting and that is experience talking.

And what the hell are you doing runing around in a vk with that kind of sh!t EHP? That sh!t would never fly in a corp battle against any one worth there salt.

I prefer to play it just the opposite-- wait until both sides are fully committed, then slip in behind and start hacking important stuff and shredding distracted personnel. Admittedly, your approach has the advantage of getting the battle started on the right foot, but I do my best work when nobody's trying to cut me down with a Duvolle's.

What dream world are you living in we're this actually works. This would require a set up which means that your squad would have to be coordinated and already at the recon point with you and ready to go. But this isn't/shouldn't be the case. You are recon which means that if you are doing your job right you are ariving at a stratigic point far in advance of the rest of your squad. If there is a problem at that point you cannot simply sit there and jerk it while the problem gets worse. You have to be able to do something substantial about it. And with that ridiculous fitting you suggested earlyer I can pretty much garantee that the only things you'll be contributing are sucking and dying.

There are no highly-mobile combat suits. That's what Ignoble Son, et al, seem to want.

And why wouldn't I think this when it is almost certain that the odd are going to be severely stacked against me even with the maximum HP I can squeeze out of a scout suit. Is there really anything more important than survivabIlity?

*scratches head*

Uh ... maybe?

I can see the theory, but I've out zig-zagged too many of those (even with my frail defenses) to really have much confidence in their maneuverability.

Ignoble undercuts his own points by simultaneously waving his scout E-peen and complaining about how he's underpowered, with a side-order of offensive ad hominem, but ... there may be a place in the game for something with a scout's speed and a logi's defensive profile, probably balanced by having the electronics of an assault suit.

I'm not sure I'd play it. I'm damn sure I don't care to lose the scout we have for the ninja marauder he wants. But ... I can see why he'd want it.

Perhaps we'll get a tech 2 "assassin" scout suit somewhere down the line.

Your tactics are based around you running with half a squad all the time, and your constant lack of support. As an assault with over 500 shield running in a tight squad you should very rarely be running into situations where you are getting you shields depleted. But your not your off doing every thing lone wolf stile with mad.

I never complained about any of the stuff you say I have complained about. In fact, I am perfectly fine with the EHP disadvantage of the scout. What I am not ok with is not being able to use e-wear, which is infact what I did complain about.

Get your facts strait.