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NIKIA BETHUNE
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Posted - 2013.03.30 21:55:00 -
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I can all most guarantee there will be some form of sp point reallocation... Didn't say reset just the ability to respend them. when? No idea but I will tell you this much it will not be free most likely will cost 1000-5000 aur. So just hold on its coming ccp needs to make money and this is a great way just wait a bit longer. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 21:59:00 -
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Like eve you will get it free once like once a year but remember we have to play for uvt if u think this will be completely free ur only fooling yourself. I have played eve for years and the only time they refunded sp is when a skill was removed from the game. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:03:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Like eve you will get it free once like once a year but remember we have to play for uvt if u think this will be completely free ur only fooling yourself. I think your fooling yourself.
Okay man. In what free to play game u know do you get to do everything for free? |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:03:00 -
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Hell they would give away boosters and uvt if that was the case. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:07:00 -
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"Hey guys lets give away skill resets" guy in the back " how much we charging?" First guy "free" guy in the back " yeah sounds Noway people would play for a skill reset".
Great business model...... |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:21:00 -
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gbghg wrote:how can you "almost guarantee" you're just guessing here and so is everyone else, if you have some specific info that the rest of us lack please share it.
There is no such thing as a almost guarantee I'm just guessing like everyone else. But I like to think I'm being more realistic. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:26:00 -
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As to sources well anyone that's played eve or researched ccp know they have a pretty good track record of giving their players what they want and the demand seem to be some form of sp reset. And my opinion is yes it will happen based on what I know with my experience with ccp. And my experience with free to play games tells me where there is large demand their is money to be made. If I'm wrong so be it but I doubt it. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:33:00 -
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gbghg wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:gbghg wrote:how can you "almost guarantee" you're just guessing here and so is everyone else, if you have some specific info that the rest of us lack please share it. There is no such thing as a almost guarantee I'm just guessing like everyone else. But I like to think I'm being more realistic. Then please make your OP reflect that. And the demand for a reset is mixed, some people want one, others don't. but the one thing that alot of players will be unhappy about is paying for a rest
Don't come here trying to argue dude take your ...... else where I'm not changing anything because you say. if you thought I could somehow guarantee u anything not my fault. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:35:00 -
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You can't please everyone and its just like boosters yeah you have to pay but everyone has to pay why would a reset have a special rule? |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:44:00 -
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Something some of us seem to overlook with our give me give me attitudes. This is a free to play game we don't have to drop a cent on it. And ccp will still take our complaints and suggestions like we played 60$ for it. Now while we didn't or did pay for this game it does not take away from the fact that it cost $$$$$$$$$$$ to develop. And we will be getting two FREE expansions a year. What damn right do we have to complain about what they charge us or don't charge us for.... Simple fix don't buy it or don't play the free game. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:46:00 -
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gbghg wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:gbghg wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:gbghg wrote:how can you "almost guarantee" you're just guessing here and so is everyone else, if you have some specific info that the rest of us lack please share it. There is no such thing as a almost guarantee I'm just guessing like everyone else. But I like to think I'm being more realistic. Then please make your OP reflect that. And the demand for a reset is mixed, some people want one, others don't. but the one thing that alot of players will be unhappy about is paying for a rest Don't come here trying to argue dude take your ...... else where I'm not changing anything because you say. if you thought I could somehow guarantee u anything not my fault. I did not, but saying you can "almost guarantee" something then going on to say that "There is no such thing as a almost guarantee" makes no sense.
Take it as a grammar error sir and move on. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:52:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Something some of us seem to overlook with our give me give me attitudes. This is a free to play game we don't have to drop a cent on it. And ccp will still take our complaints and suggestions like we played 60$ for it. Now while we didn't or did pay for this game it does not take away from the fact that it cost $$$$$$$$$$$ to develop. And we will be getting two FREE expansions a year. What damn right do we have to complain about what they charge us or don't charge us for.... Simple fix don't buy it or don't play the free game. I bet Eve pays for most of dust development.
Of course. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:00:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:I want the minute it took me to read this thread back.
TL;DR Oh, I'm sure we're getting a reset but I don't actually know but just being real here but I actually have no idea and just think my opinion is the most realistic.
Trying to play nice on the forums... Anyway just being real is a topic. With no real substance. Realistically yes we should get it. Does anyone know for sure? No just speculation. This post is no different from the 20 or so like it just expressing my opinion. So if I could give you back your time I would so i could get my time back for having to explain something so obvious. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:06:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Like eve you will get it free once like once a year but remember we have to play for uvt if u think this will be completely free ur only fooling yourself. I have played eve for years and the only time they refunded sp is when a skill was removed from the game.
Maybe u over looked this. Idk but I did say like eve it's likly to be free once a year. And can you please explain how a sp reset implies P2W? Every puts sp where they wish if you messed and decided not to remake your character how is this everyone else's fault? |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:12:00 -
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My understanding of p2w is using real money to get an advantage over others. Now if we all got the same sp and all got the same choice on how to spend those sp... How and where is the advantage? The aur items were put in the game for money individual mistakes were not please explain I'm confused how P2W is factored in. Unless u were playing for sp which u are not. |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:23:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:There will be no pay for respace, ever, there are going to be over 4 more years of skills in the next build alone, your kidding yourself.
Sp refunds are only given in CCP titles when a large chunk of skills change. Besides what incentive would there be then to buy skill clusters? Skill clusters give you a set of skill levels for a week. If you could just respec there would be no reason to buy them.
Skill clusters is your way tot est skills paths before you invest, because you'll never get a take back.
Of crouse this also means with AUR proto suits a week old player could use skill clusters and AUR to fit out proto gear week 1. But that's not pay to win *rolls eyes* could I please get a link on these skill clusters u speak of.
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:43:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Something some of us seem to overlook with our give me give me attitudes. This is a free to play game we don't have to drop a cent on it. And ccp will still take our complaints and suggestions like we played 60$ for it. Now while we didn't or did pay for this game it does not take away from the fact that it cost $$$$$$$$$$$ to develop. And we will be getting two FREE expansions a year. What damn right do we have to complain about what they charge us or don't charge us for.... Simple fix don't buy it or don't play the free game. 100% correct bro, +1
Thanks I picked up some bad rep on the forums no matter what I say people twist it into a super negative. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:24:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:blue gt wrote:I wouldn't expect respecing, its not allowed in eve and for the same reason it wont be allowed here.(yes in eve you can optimize skill point gain once a year, not the same as SP respecing)
that said I would expect a refund of skill points come may. there will be a lot of skills added and that could affect current skills. we know there wont be a reset of SP because they said your characters will not be reset to day one.
as far as ccp making money off of this I can spend 20$$ on a couple of days worth of suits and I have, a lot of people are willing to spend the money so they don't have to spend time they don't have. This is how free to play works, you get a few whales and a reasonable number of people pay what amounts to a monthly and they cover the cost of allowing every one else to play.
this will only increase as the player driven market is introduced and aur items can be sold for isk. It's F2P not P2W. I've played plenty of F2P games.... but none of them are truly F2P since to get the better stuff you HAVE to pay. Doing respec for money makes this game P2W. This game is built by paying with the choices you make... If you can respec you don't pay for any choice you make since you can change it without any risk whatsoever.
Who said it was in the design plan to pay for the choices you make? With that same thought process they would never have allowed you to remapp in eve your point is not valid. Paying for a resec does not make the game p2w makes it pay to fix your dumb mistakes. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:30:00 -
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Really tbh what does it matter if it makes it a p2w game? I think you should have to pay to respec. By your logic sir nothing in this game should be charged ccp should give us everything while this game slowly makes them go bankrupt. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:44:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Really tbh what does it matter if it makes it a p2w game? I think you should have to pay to respec. By your logic sir nothing in this game should be charged ccp should give us everything while this game slowly makes them go bankrupt. People don't want CCP to stop having paid items. We want them to stick to the point of the world they've created with EVE Online. Decisions have consequences. No matter how much an EVE pilot spends on the game, no matter how much ISK they spend, no matter how much real money they give CCP, there is still not an option for them to respec. Why should DUST be any different? You want to skill into Heavies, but all your SP is in Scouts? Play the game, earn more SP, and skill into Heavies.
Actually good point. But if a majority of people want a resec y not does it affect u or me? Bringing more money into the game will mean they can only do more faster I can see no downside other than a few people being butt hurt.
I guess it comes down to how many people want a respec vs how many do not. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 03:02:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:[quote=Garrett Blacknova][quote=NIKIA BETHUNE]Really tbh what does it matter if it makes it a p2w game? I think you should have to pay to respec. By your logic sir nothing in this game should be charged ccp should give us everything while this game slowly makes them go bankrupt. People don't want CCP to stop having paid items. We want them to stick to the point of the world they've created with EVE Online. Decisions have consequences. No matter how much an EVE pilot spends on the game, no matter how much ISK they spend, no matter how much real money they give CCP, there is still not an option for them to respec. Why should DUST be any different? You want to skill into Heavies, but all your SP is in Scouts? Play the game, earn more SP, and skill into Heavies.
Actually good point. But if a majority of people want a resec y not does it affect u or me? Quote:You're about to get into a battle worth 300,000,000 ISK and could send your corp into the top 20. All you need is 1 good tanker and respeccing is possible. You've just got your first example how respect effects us all and is pay to win. 
Thank you sota I do like examples but yours is flawed. This is why first if this was to happen it would not happen before May 6th hence a battle that you speak if is not possible. Second even if you could respec to a proto tank pro anything does mean you have the skill to use it. Would u really trust that much Isk to someone that rarely or never uses a tank? I think not lets. Go the other way and say that they can use the gear well the cost of switching back and forth would not be worth the effort. Some could afford it I'm sure but not many. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 03:46:00 -
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gbghg wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:
Thank you sota I do like examples but yours is flawed. This is why first if this was to happen it would not happen before May 6th hence a battle that you speak if is not possible. Second even if you could respec to a proto tank pro anything does mean you have the skill to use it. Would u really trust that much Isk to someone that rarely or never uses a tank? I think not lets. Go the other way and say that they can use the gear well the cost of switching back and forth would not be worth the effort. Some could afford it I'm sure but not many.
Please go to the war room and read the recent PRO fiasco, that example is the key reason why there should be no sp reset, it means everything will end up as flavor as the month, " that gun is currently OP? well lets respec into it" "oh they fixed it, well that gun is OP now, lets try it out" if you make resets available this will happen.
Hmm if you have the money too keep doing that by all means it doesn't take be 3-4 days to get any weapon to proto. Not only that ATM the only op weapon is the laser but u don't see everyone with one do u? And they made the game that unbalanced I would just quit if we really go into weapon of the week mode. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 03:58:00 -
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gbghg wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:gbghg wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:
Thank you sota I do like examples but yours is flawed. This is why first if this was to happen it would not happen before May 6th hence a battle that you speak if is not possible. Second even if you could respec to a proto tank pro anything does mean you have the skill to use it. Would u really trust that much Isk to someone that rarely or never uses a tank? I think not lets. Go the other way and say that they can use the gear well the cost of switching back and forth would not be worth the effort. Some could afford it I'm sure but not many.
Please go to the war room and read the recent PRO fiasco, that example is the key reason why there should be no sp reset, it means everything will end up as flavor as the month, " that gun is currently OP? well lets respec into it" "oh they fixed it, well that gun is OP now, lets try it out" if you make resets available this will happen. Hmm if you have the money too keep doing that by all means it doesn't take be 3-4 days to get any weapon to proto. Not only that ATM the only op weapon is the laser but u don't see everyone with one do u? And they made the game that unbalanced I would just quit if we really go into weapon of the week mode. But the fact is that you have to earn those sp to get those weapons, not spend so much AUR or isk and then switch to it instantly. either way, do u not earn the sp? To my knowledge there is no current other way. So if what you say is true if I was to stop playing for a month then came back I would have no rights to my sp because if used it to buy a tank I didn't earn it. This how I take what your saying.
Or are we saying just because your sp is reset u somehow didn't spend untold hrs to get it. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Interesting how CCP never brought this up during the past ten years. Doubt they would for another ten.
They haven't because to my knowledge eve players have no asked for it as a whole I'm sure onezz and twozzz have over the years u have to think of the different player mind set and background of the two games and like I said before ccp has a great track record of giving players what they want. If people keep calling for it something will happen one way or the other. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:24:00 -
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maybe it does but all comes down to how many people care one way or the other. just talking with u guys and looking at the forums it could go either way. Personaly I could take it or leave if it came out I would use it if doesn't I could care less. My point is I think if enough people keep pushing ccp will have to respond in some way and to be frank our community is too small **** too many people off one way or the other I guess all sides really need to decide is it really a game breaking feature if it is. Lets drop it now. If not what's people true issue with it. As a person on the fence I don't care as a dust player w/e keep people interested and playing is what I'm behind. I just can't see a big enough down side. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:29:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote: bottom line on how people will see things: If you can use real money to give yourself an edge in battle in a meaningful way like... idk.... changing your specialization to be the exact counter needed. That's pay to win. +1 for more logic.......... I am impressed. Was I never logical in the past? lol Troll logic > real logic again flawed how can you counter the unknown if you can't respec in battle I can't see how this is p2w nor have u given an example to prove your point.
I can't be in the war room and say hey zitro is on the other team let me spec into proto nades and proto swarm real quick. Logically when if we were talking pc with 24 notice you would have no idea who was coming to the battle could be someone's a team or maybe no. So again I say ur logic is flaw with current game mechanics care to try again? |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:35:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:I and I am sure quite a few people are pro reset. Why? I started off as a heavy, switched to assault. I would like to have that 3 mill sp from my heavy to make my assault better.
Now with that said this should be a 1 TIME DEAL! One chance to start over. If it becomes something ISK or AUR based the game mechanics will be ruined no matter what the cost of said reset is.
Here is why
You are a assault AR user. Your corp takes a 500 mill CB against imperfects. No one in your corp has propper AV or a good tank so you pay the AUR or ISK to suddenly have proto AV or a proto tank. Thus the game mechanics are broken and we have a pay to win system.
CBS are gone new example please. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:41:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:I and I am sure quite a few people are pro reset. Why? I started off as a heavy, switched to assault. I would like to have that 3 mill sp from my heavy to make my assault better.
Now with that said this should be a 1 TIME DEAL! One chance to start over. If it becomes something ISK or AUR based the game mechanics will be ruined no matter what the cost of said reset is.
Here is why
You are a assault AR user. Your corp takes a 500 mill CB against imperfects. No one in your corp has propper AV or a good tank so you pay the AUR or ISK to suddenly have proto AV or a proto tank. Thus the game mechanics are broken and we have a pay to win system.
Beside you talking about a game mechanic that is soon to be removed. Your wrong one several counts you can't change skills in a war room. Second why in name of all that's holy fight imperfect with some that has never used a tank more over y challenge them if you don't have what you need to compete. Third just because you can respec how does that make you any better than anyone else? Sooo where is the pay to win here I see nothing. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Interesting how CCP never brought this up during the past ten years. Doubt they would for another ten. They haven't because to my knowledge eve players have no asked for it as a whole I'm sure onezz and twozzz have over the years u have to think of the different player mind set and background of the two games and like I said before ccp has a great track record of giving players what they want. If people keep calling for it something will happen one way or the other. Do not insult my intelligence nor that of my Eve brethren. To this day, there are still players on Eve asking the same thing you are asking right now. We are just busy putting those carebears back in their place every time they ask for an Eve style respec for cash.
Did I say one insulting thing to anyone here? Calm down guy I can get insulting if you wish. Well it is what it is my comments stands if 50% of our player base leave what do u think happens to dust ? Again I don't care either way just talking about an issue that keeps coming up in the forums don't take it personal because nothing I have said is personal. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:54:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:I and I am sure quite a few people are pro reset. Why? I started off as a heavy, switched to assault. I would like to have that 3 mill sp from my heavy to make my assault better.
Now with that said this should be a 1 TIME DEAL! One chance to start over. If it becomes something ISK or AUR based the game mechanics will be ruined no matter what the cost of said reset is.
Here is why
You are a assault AR user. Your corp takes a 500 mill CB against imperfects. No one in your corp has propper AV or a good tank so you pay the AUR or ISK to suddenly have proto AV or a proto tank. Thus the game mechanics are broken and we have a pay to win system. Beside you talking about a game mechanic that is soon to be removed. Your wrong one several counts you can't change skills in a war room. Second why in name of all that's holy fight imperfect with some that has never used a tank more over y challenge them if you don't have what you need to compete. Third just because you can respec how does that make you any better than anyone else? Sooo where is the pay to win here I see nothing. You are only arguing the example and not the problem. I never said skill wouldnt matter. It does but proto swarms takes 0 skill. It would be broken.
Why do people insist I'm arguing.... Not sure what ur saying the problem is I was simply replying to ur example if u make the problem clear we can adress it in an informed manner |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:01:00 -
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Incase people missed it. My main points on this topic were: lots of people are asking for respecs, and my opinion is with the sheer number of requests I think it possible given our tiny community. Sub point I was then told its p2w yet not a single person can tell me how it is p2w that has no holes in their logic. Lastly I'm not arguing or insulting anyone simply replying to post if you feel threaten or insulted by me I assure you this was not my intent. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:06:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:I and I am sure quite a few people are pro reset. Why? I started off as a heavy, switched to assault. I would like to have that 3 mill sp from my heavy to make my assault better.
Now with that said this should be a 1 TIME DEAL! One chance to start over. If it becomes something ISK or AUR based the game mechanics will be ruined no matter what the cost of said reset is.
Here is why
You are a assault AR user. Your corp takes a 500 mill CB against imperfects. No one in your corp has propper AV or a good tank so you pay the AUR or ISK to suddenly have proto AV or a proto tank. Thus the game mechanics are broken and we have a pay to win system. Beside you talking about a game mechanic that is soon to be removed. Your wrong one several counts you can't change skills in a war room. Second why in name of all that's holy fight imperfect with some that has never used a tank more over y challenge them if you don't have what you need to compete. Third just because you can respec how does that make you any better than anyone else? Sooo where is the pay to win here I see nothing. With the way Planetary Conquest works, this system will be MORE P2W than it would be in the current Corp Battle system. You know who you're attacking (or who's attacking you), and have 24 hours to prepare. Anyone with AUR to spare and a less-than-optimal loadout for the enemy you'll be facing can buy a respec.
Okay so what your telling me is some the enemy know every person ur bringing what they plan to use what tatics they are going. To employ then as a group they are going to spend xxxx aur on it? First who are your spies second most people I know refuse to buy boosters or a uvt now ur telling me u can convince multiple people they are going to respec for a battle that's 24hr on a unknown battle against unknown players really? |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:09:00 -
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gbghg wrote:We have told you multiple times that it's P2W and even gave you good examples, and please show me where all the requests got an do reset are, because I've seen more people arguing against one then for one.
U have not given me one i can't poke at least 3 holes in. And for people to argue against something wouldn't there have to be people for it? It makes no sense that there are more posts vs then for it. Why go against something noones talking about. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:18:00 -
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Can someone tell me how a respec option in dust would be any different than the countless mmos that do it? Please how or why is this such a big issue tell me the last mmo other than eve it wasn't possible. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:OP, you are correct that CCP can make plenty of money out your idea. There is just one problem. The monetary gains will never be enough to cover the loss of reputation CCP will suffer. And we all know what happened back during the Jita riots when CCP tried to get greedy.
Umm not my idea I'm just commenting on what I'm seeing as to jita riots must have been during one of my breaks from eve or before I started my point is while this is a game in the eve universe it is not eve. In fact I've talked to several eve players and friends.alike they could careless if we burn in hell. So I doubt the majority or the major player in eve take any notice to a thing we do or don't do in dust it's not the same game with the same stakes and it won't be for years to come. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:You have to understand where we are coming from here. A large portion of the DUST player base originated from MAG and Eve Online and the reason we act like this is because we want to protect CCP from making critical mistakes like they did back in 2011. Believe me, its for the best.
I've played both games u speak of and you act as if I'm for this.... I don't care. Mag did have a respec system if memory serves so still not getting the issue. And like I've said every other mmo save eve has had some kind of respec system yet people act like its a foreign concept. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 05:34:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:We have already answered your questions. Besides, there is no point in continuing to ask us why we are against this if all you will ever do is not listen. We made our case. Again, we are doing this to protect CCP from themselves. We do have a stakeholder relationship with CCP anyways for this reason.
Answered what questions? Listen?I have replied to everything said here. Who is we? U speak as If you have some underground cult. My only question has been how is it a p2w system? Lets take aur off the table would it still be p2w or cause this cult to come out of hiding if it was Isk instead of aur or better yet free once a year. |
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:With the way Planetary Conquest works, this system will be MORE P2W than it would be in the current Corp Battle system.
You know who you're attacking (or who's attacking you), and have 24 hours to prepare. Anyone with AUR to spare and a less-than-optimal loadout for the enemy you'll be facing can buy a respec. Okay so what your telling me is some the enemy know every person ur bringing what they plan to use what tatics they are going. To employ then as a group they are going to spend xxxx aur on it? First who are your spies second most people I know refuse to buy boosters or a uvt now ur telling me u can convince multiple people they are going to respec for a battle that's 24hr on a unknown battle against unknown players really? What I'm telling you is that with 24 hours' notice, a Corp can find out a LOT from people who have fought that enemy before. And what I'm telling you is that a lot of people have AUR that they'd be willing to spend on something that's going to improve their performance in a major Planetary Conquest battle. And it's definitely NOT going to be "an unknown battle against unknown players" - THAT'S THE POINT. And you still haven't countered the most important argument, which is that A CORE VALUE IN NEW EDEN IS THE FACT THAT YOUR DECISIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. When you skill into something, you've made your decision, and must now LIVE WITH IT. Not spend money to make the decision go away.
So what ur saying is corp a vs corp b fight on district 3 out of say 4. Being attack by an known number of enemies say 2 your telling me that you know without a shadow of a doubt that corp a are going to be using x player and corp b needs to respec just to counter him when they other team may not even use him not only that your going to respec every time you face a new enemy? Nah bro don't see it happening and its too easy to fix they could set respecs to once a week or once a month. As to ur important argument I agree with u which why I said I'd use it if do do it and could care less if they don't. |
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:You have to understand where we are coming from here. A large portion of the DUST player base originated from MAG and Eve Online and the reason we act like this is because we want to protect CCP from making critical mistakes like they did back in 2011. Believe me, its for the best. I've played both games u speak of and you act as if I'm for this.... I don't care. Mag did have a respec system if memory serves so still not getting the issue. And like I've said every other mmo save eve has had some kind of respec system yet people act like its a foreign concept. Added bold to the part you seem to be misreading. MAG had a respec system. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. It conributed to the game's death. MMO is one thing, FPS is quite another, and New Eden another thing still. The idea of having a respec option in New Eden doesn't work with the concepts and attitudes that CCP have built their world (and their fanbase) around. It also doesn't work for FPS gaming as well as it does for other types of MMO. It negates the importance of your training when you can just spend money to become equally proficient at something else on the same character. hmm I think what your saying is a matter of opinion. And we are entitled to it. As to mag I really enjoyed the game first of its kind like dust. I quit playing don't remember why I know respecing was not the issue nor do I know of anyone that quit for this reason maybe you? As to spending money to become proficient at some else. Personally I could respec right now to proto heavy and get my but whooped or proto mass driver and get killed by a scout. My point is and I'm sure u have seen it fight some people just because u have a proto suit doesn't make u skilled in using it. |
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Maken Tosch wrote:Nikia, don't underestimate the organizational capacity and Intel gathering mastery of the inhabitants of new Eden. I have seen it happen before. You should know that since you played Eve.
True like I said simple limit respecs easy fix |
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 you guys win lol I'm tired of talking about something I could care less about. Thanks for the interesting debate with limited trolling nice to have a convo on the forums without pointless hate |
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Sloth9230 wrote:No.
And you say a lot of people want to respec? Yeah, they do, but most want it so they can fix a few bad decisions or so that they can use the new suits/weapons when they come, not so that they can completely change specialization whenever they want. You're system on the other hand reeks of potential for abuse. The ability to respec on the fly should never be allowed, doesn't matter how much it costs.
I'm done with the debate honest but who are you talking to? Me i didn't say anything about respecing on the fly in fact several times I've send limited to once a week or month so little confused here. |
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Sloth9230 wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:
I'm done with the debate honest but who are you talking to?
This is your thread, who else would I be talking to? NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:several times I've send limited to once a week or month so little confused here. You mean the thing you said once on page 5? Sorry if I didn't read every single one of your posts, but you were getting repetitive.
Don't be a smartass guy. And I read everything on page 5 I haven't said a thing about respecing on the fly. Or have I suggested a system for respecing in anyway get your facts straight before you talk **** in a pointed manner. I've only ever said could happen and also in my opinion this would not be p2w. So if I suggest some respec on the fly or some sort of exploit system as you claim coming at me all hostile please quote it otherwise... Well you can finish that. |
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Sloth9230 wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:
I'm done with the debate honest but who are you talking to?
This is your thread, who else would I be talking to? NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:several times I've send limited to once a week or month so little confused here. You mean the thing you said once on page 5? Sorry if I didn't read every single one of your posts, but you were getting repetitive. Don't be a smartass guy. And I read everything on page 5 I haven't said a thing about respecing on the fly. Or have I suggested a system for respecing in anyway get your facts straight before you talk **** in a pointed manner. I've only ever said could happen and also in my opinion this would not be p2w. So if I suggest some respec on the fly or some sort of exploit system as you claim coming at me all hostile please quote it otherwise... Well you can finish that. You only suggested limiting it to once a week/month ONCE in this thread, not several times. And I never called it pay to win, more like pay to not have to think about the consequences of my choices. You might want to take some anger management classes BTW.
What is your point? I've never implied any kind of system for respecing as you claim my points and I guess I need to say it three times now were that lots of people were wanting a respec and that I don't think it's pay to win if you happen to have been reading an example between me and someone else it was simply a example and I said once once a week or month at least twice in fact I had to repeat myself for another person. You saw me say I was done with the post yet you point me out saying I'm saying things I did not say simply because you don't want to read the posts. Why half write this with half information? Why not ask me to clarify instead of imply things I didn't say? Anger? Ignorance doesn't make me angry it makes me sad. |
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Incase people missed it. My main points on this topic were: lots of people are asking for respecs, and my opinion is with the sheer number of requests I think it possible given our tiny community. Sub point I was then told its p2w yet not a single person can tell me how it is p2w that has no holes in their logic. Lastly I'm not arguing or insulting anyone simply replying to post if you feel threaten or insulted by me I assure you this was not my intent.
You clearly didn't read this so I found it for u. |
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Sloth9230 wrote:Yeah, yeah, many people want a respec, myself included. That doesn't "almost" guarantee anything, or that it will be Aurum only.
You did imply a system, it was one were you pay to respec, it wasn't till page 5 that you suggested any limits on it.
still whatsyour point? you still don't have a point? you act like im against a respec for something op said nothing about a system. i'm sorry your ******** man and i can't make you see reason that i was only replying to other people that were saying respec before a battle i myself never implied to respec before a battle. and like you say your self i did say a limited on it before your comment of saying i said respec on the fly. so again what was your point? i also said many times that it be free or pay isk for it sooo..... again what was you point? you have none you came here trying to troll me on a post i was trying to end without getting upset at dumbass people like you who start **** for no reason with half information of in your case no information at all because everything you say just contradict what i said. all of if serving no purpose other than trying to get a rise out of me i guess. |
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Sloth9230 wrote:Yeah, yeah, many people want a respec, myself included. That doesn't "almost" guarantee anything, or that it will be Aurum only.
You did imply a system, it was one were you pay to respec, it wasn't till page 5 that you suggested any limits on it.
And I stopped reading at page 4, it was just you saying "a lot of people want this" and "CCP can make a lot of money from this , why should it be free", sorry if not wanting to read the same thing over and over again makes me ignorant.
Sorry, but you can't make such claims without most people responding negatively to it.
what would be the issue in having to pay for it again? why not? |
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Something some of us seem to overlook with our give me give me attitudes. This is a free to play game we don't have to drop a cent on it. And ccp will still take our complaints and suggestions like we played 60$ for it. Now while we didn't or did pay for this game it does not take away from the fact that it cost $$$$$$$$$$$ to develop. And we will be getting two FREE expansions a year. What damn right do we have to complain about what they charge us or don't charge us for.... Simple fix don't buy it or don't play the free game.
maybe your just one of those give me give me people i guess it's a free game ccp has to make money off it in some way. |
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: I can almost guarantee there will be some form of sp point reallocation... Didn't say reset just the ability to respend them. when? No idea but I will tell you this much it will not be free most likely will cost 1000-5000 aur. So just hold on its coming ccp needs to make money and this is a great way just wait a bit longer.
read dummy read almost guarantee is a guess i have no real clue just wanted to talk about it. then i said il will not be free most likely meaning it mostly will not be free not saying it is not saying that it's not not saying anything really just talking and where in this is there a respec on the fly? go away troll your skill is still level 1 i'm beaten much better. |
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Sloth9230 wrote:Never said there's an issue with paying for it, which there is and others have pointed it out already so I wont, but it is unlikely that CCP would sell respecs, and you should not be guaranteeing such things.
your an idiot. i didn't guarantee a thing. you are too simple to understand debate. go back to bed. |
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like i tried to say before i'm done with this post p2w f2p respec now respec later pay don't pay i don't care. sloth if you want to continue sure but do it alone nothing you say makes a lick of sense and the sad part is i dont think you realize it. |
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Sloth9230 wrote:My troll is level 1? ***** please, you're not worth trolling. You already get yourself riled up over nothing, I don't even need to try, not that I'm trolling you, but if I was then I'd be damn easy.
You should go buy the "grammer and punctuation" skillbook from the market though, that last post hurt more than a scrambler to the brain.
ooohhhh snap you told me. good night. |
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Maken Tosch wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:you guys win lol I'm tired of talking about something I could care less about. Thanks for the interesting debate with limited trolling nice to have a convo on the forums without pointless hate So all this time I thought you were actually serious. In reality you basically showed every Newberry why the idea of pay-to-respec won't fly in the DUST community. Interesting. You got me, bro.
lmao everytime i try to go someone else talks **** for no reason? what's your deal now? what did i say to you now? |
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:No.
And you say a lot of people want to respec? Yeah, they do, but most want it so they can fix a few bad decisions or so that they can use the new suits/weapons when they come, not so that they can completely change specialization whenever they want. You're system on the other hand reeks of potential for abuse. The ability to respec on the fly should never be allowed, doesn't matter how much it costs. I'm done with the debate honest but who are you talking to? Me i didn't say anything about respecing on the fly in fact several times I've send limited to once a week or month so little confused here.
because of someone else being ignorant like yourself and just talking **** i had to come back and say something else. what what does it matter if i choose to speak or not it's my choice guy. i could care-less if you respect me your noone to me it's funny that you feel that way tho ^^ so unless someone else wants to take another crack at me when i'm trying to end the post it's over.
incase your not catching on i'm not going to let someone have the last word on me at my expense. |
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:"I can almost guarantee CCP will start selling 1 Million SP sets because a lot of people want SP without having to grind."
If I posted this, people would rip me to shreds. How do you know that? Look what happened when someone else posted it? ...oh. Right.
jeeez thanks for not talking **** too. man +1 i'm not sure what peoples issue is. |
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