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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2248	Posted - 2013.03.31 02:22:00 - [1] - Quote low genius wrote: NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: I can all most guarantee there will be some form of sp point reallocation... Didn't say reset just the ability to respend them. when? No idea but I will tell you this much it will not be free most likely will cost 1000-5000 aur. So just hold on its coming ccp needs to make money and this is a great way just wait a bit longer. that won't ever happen. if they change a skill tree, they will refund the sp you've already spent in a non-existent tree for you to re-spend. they won't ever let you 'respec' for aur, or for any other reason. I'm hoping - not expecting, but hoping - they also let us respec into new racial suit variants when they introduce a Gallente Assault equivalent, and a Caldari Small Frame, and the various other racial Dropsuit designs. I know a few Caldari who have skilled into Gallente Scouts simply because it's the only option that fills our preferred role. I know a few people who want to skill into Scout suits, but because the only suit of that size is Gallente, they've avoided it. I know people who have skilled into Logis instead of Assaults even though they're not the preferred suit just because it's the only medium suit they can use without funding the Caldari State. I know a lot of FPS players don't think this way, but some do, and giving those of us who are working on "best fit" options for now a chance to do what we REALLY wanted with our SP would be nice. Having said that, though, I hope if they DO offer this kind of respec, it ONLY lets you respec into an equivalent weapon. The current Gallente AR skill could be trade (for example) for equal amount of SP into Gauss Rifle or Scramber Rifle operation, but not Shotgun or Forge Gun or SMG skills. If you've got level 5 Gallente Scout skill, then you can trade it for level 5 Caldari [insert small frame name] skill, but you can't respec into a Heavy suit because that would violate the intent for your decisions to have consequences.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2249	Posted - 2013.03.31 02:39:00 - [2] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Really tbh what does it matter if it makes it a p2w game? I think you should have to pay to respec. By your logic sir nothing in this game should be charged ccp should give us everything while this game slowly makes them go bankrupt. People don't want CCP to stop having paid items. We want them to stick to the point of the world they've created with EVE Online. Decisions have consequences. No matter how much an EVE pilot spends on the game, no matter how much ISK they spend, no matter how much real money they give CCP, there is still not an option for them to respec. Why should DUST be any different? You want to skill into Heavies, but all your SP is in Scouts? Play the game, earn more SP, and skill into Heavies.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2255	Posted - 2013.03.31 05:00:00 - [3] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: undeadsoldier90 wrote: I and I am sure quite a few people are pro reset. Why? I started off as a heavy, switched to assault. I would like to have that 3 mill sp from my heavy to make my assault better. Now with that said this should be a 1 TIME DEAL! One chance to start over. If it becomes something ISK or AUR based the game mechanics will be ruined no matter what the cost of said reset is. Here is why You are a assault AR user. Your corp takes a 500 mill CB against imperfects. No one in your corp has propper AV or a good tank so you pay the AUR or ISK to suddenly have proto AV or a proto tank. Thus the game mechanics are broken and we have a pay to win system. Beside you talking about a game mechanic that is soon to be removed. Your wrong one several counts you can't change skills in a war room. Second why in name of all that's holy fight imperfect with some that has never used a tank more over y challenge them if you don't have what you need to compete. Third just because you can respec how does that make you any better than anyone else? Sooo where is the pay to win here I see nothing. With the way Planetary Conquest works, this system will be MORE P2W than it would be in the current Corp Battle system. You know who you're attacking (or who's attacking you), and have 24 hours to prepare. Anyone with AUR to spare and a less-than-optimal loadout for the enemy you'll be facing can buy a respec.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2256	Posted - 2013.03.31 05:23:00 - [4] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Incase people missed it. My main points on this topic were: lots of people are asking for respecs, and my opinion is with the sheer number of requests I think it possible given our tiny community. Sub point I was then told its p2w yet not a single person can tell me how it is p2w that has no holes in their logic. Lastly I'm not arguing or insulting anyone simply replying to post if you feel threaten or insulted by me I assure you this was not my intent. In case YOU missed it: You haven't provided a single legitimate hole in anyone's logic yet, and we've provided several major holes in what you're trying to pass off as logic.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2256	Posted - 2013.03.31 05:31:00 - [5] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: With the way Planetary Conquest works, this system will be MORE P2W than it would be in the current Corp Battle system. You know who you're attacking (or who's attacking you), and have 24 hours to prepare. Anyone with AUR to spare and a less-than-optimal loadout for the enemy you'll be facing can buy a respec. Okay so what your telling me is some the enemy know every person ur bringing what they plan to use what tatics they are going. To employ then as a group they are going to spend xxxx aur on it? First who are your spies second most people I know refuse to buy boosters or a uvt now ur telling me u can convince multiple people they are going to respec for a battle that's 24hr on a unknown battle against unknown players really? What I'm telling you is that with 24 hours' notice, a Corp can find out a LOT from people who have fought that enemy before. And what I'm telling you is that a lot of people have AUR that they'd be willing to spend on something that's going to improve their performance in a major Planetary Conquest battle. And it's definitely NOT going to be "an unknown battle against unknown players" - THAT'S THE POINT. And you still haven't countered the most important argument, which is that A CORE VALUE IN NEW EDEN IS THE FACT THAT YOUR DECISIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. When you skill into something, you've made your decision, and must now LIVE WITH IT. Not spend money to make the decision go away.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2256	Posted - 2013.03.31 05:36:00 - [6] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: You have to understand where we are coming from here. A large portion of the DUST player base originated from MAG and Eve Online and the reason we act like this is because we want to protect CCP from making critical mistakes like they did back in 2011. Believe me, its for the best. I've played both games u speak of and you act as if I'm for this.... I don't care. Mag did have a respec system if memory serves so still not getting the issue. And like I've said every other mmo save eve has had some kind of respec system yet people act like its a foreign concept. Added bold to the part you seem to be misreading. MAG had a respec system. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. It conributed to the game's death. MMO is one thing, FPS is quite another, and New Eden another thing still. The idea of having a respec option in New Eden doesn't work with the concepts and attitudes that CCP have built their world (and their fanbase) around. It also doesn't work for FPS gaming as well as it does for other types of MMO. It negates the importance of your training when you can just spend money to become equally proficient at something else on the same character.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2256	Posted - 2013.03.31 05:38:00 - [7] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: We have already answered your questions. Besides, there is no point in continuing to ask us why we are against this if all you will ever do is not listen. We made our case. Again, we are doing this to protect CCP from themselves. We do have a stakeholder relationship with CCP anyways for this reason. Answered what questions? Listen?I have replied to everything said here. Who is we? U speak as If you have some underground cult. My only question has been how is it a p2w system? Lets take aur off the table would it still be p2w or cause this cult to come out of hiding if it was Isk instead of aur or better yet free once a year. No it wouldn't be pay-to-win. It would still be a terrible idea that goes against many of the core values of the setting, and it would still be game-breaking for the type of gameplay involved in DUST, just like it was detrimental in MAG.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2256	Posted - 2013.03.31 05:56:00 - [8] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: So what ur saying is corp a vs corp b fight on district 3 out of say 4. Being attack by an known number of enemies say 2 your telling me that you know without a shadow of a doubt that corp a are going to be using x player and corp b needs to respec just to counter him when they other team may not even use him not only that your going to respec every time you face a new enemy? Nah bro don't see it happening and its too easy to fix they could set respecs to once a week or once a month. As to ur important argument I agree with u which why I said I'd use it if do do it and could care less if they don't. I've got at least 24 hours to find out everything I need to know about the Corp. It's entirely possible I'll be able to find a person's real-world identity and arrange for an "emergency" to make sure one of the other Corp's top players is unavailable for the battle with that much advance warning. I can probably find out which (if any) Mercs they've hired and try to pay some off to either no-show or sabotage the Corp's efforts in any of a large variety of ways.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2257	Posted - 2013.03.31 06:04:00 - [9] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Added bold to the part you seem to be misreading. MAG had a respec system. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. It conributed to the game's death. MMO is one thing, FPS is quite another, and New Eden another thing still. The idea of having a respec option in New Eden doesn't work with the concepts and attitudes that CCP have built their world (and their fanbase) around. It also doesn't work for FPS gaming as well as it does for other types of MMO. It negates the importance of your training when you can just spend money to become equally proficient at something else on the same character. hmm I think what your saying is a matter of opinion. And we are entitled to it. As to mag I really enjoyed the game first of its kind like dust. I quit playing don't remember why I know respecing was not the issue nor do I know of anyone that quit for this reason maybe you? As to spending money to become proficient at some else. Personally I could respec right now to proto heavy and get my but whooped or proto mass driver and get killed by a scout. My point is and I'm sure u have seen it fight some people just because u have a proto suit doesn't make u skilled in using it. There is opinion involved on why you, personally left MAG. I played MAG very little (on a friend's account, not my own), and I left for my own reasons. But the fact that people respeccing into FOTM builds was part of the downfall of MAG is just that - a fact. Not opinion. It wasn't the only factor (obviously), but it was part of the problem.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2258	Posted - 2013.03.31 06:09:00 - [10] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: No it wouldn't be pay-to-win Because P2W doesn't exist in DUST since all AUR items will be available for purchase with ISK? I was responding to the suggestion of a non-monetary respec option. If you're not spending real money on that option, of course it's not going to be pay-to-win. Look at that in context and it makes a LOT more sense.

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2258	Posted - 2013.03.31 08:04:00 - [11] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: My troll is level 1? *** please, you're not worth trolling. You already get yourself riled up over nothing, I don't even need to try, not that I'm trolling you, but if I was then I'd be damn easy. You should go buy the "grammer and punctuation" skillbook from the market though, that last post hurt more than a scrambler to the brain. Sloth9230 wrote: You should go buy the "grammer and punctuation" skillbook from the market though, that last post hurt more than a scrambler to the brain. Sloth9230 wrote:** grammer You spelt "grammar" wrong.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2258	Posted - 2013.03.31 08:06:00 - [12] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: "I can almost guarantee CCP will start selling 1 Million SP sets because a lot of people want SP without having to grind." If I posted this, people would rip me to shreds. How do you know that? Look what happened when someone else posted it? ...oh. Right.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2261	Posted - 2013.03.31 08:46:00 - [13] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: 'm not going to let someone have the last word on me at my expense. Okey dokey artichokey. Roll up, roll up, everyone! Right here, best challenge yet on the forums!!!!!!! Who has more time on their hands? In the [insert colour here] corner, we have NIKIA BETHUNE (emphasis not my own, it's written in all-caps on my card)... In the [insert other colour here] corner, we have Sloth9230 (again, not a weird numerical form of tourettes, that's actually his name)... PLACE YOUR BETS!!!!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2264	Posted - 2013.03.31 09:46:00 - [14] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: I could take em both if its about wasting life on the forums lol Either of us could. But they're a more fun challenge than anyone who'd want to compete. And they walked themselves right into it, which is something neither of us would ever do.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2300	Posted - 2013.04.01 01:47:00 - [15] - Quote low genius wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: low genius wrote: NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: I can all most guarantee there will be some form of sp point reallocation... Didn't say reset just the ability to respend them. when? No idea but I will tell you this much it will not be free most likely will cost 1000-5000 aur. So just hold on its coming ccp needs to make money and this is a great way just wait a bit longer. that won't ever happen. if they change a skill tree, they will refund the sp you've already spent in a non-existent tree for you to re-spend. they won't ever let you 'respec' for aur, or for any other reason. I'm hoping - not expecting, but hoping - they also let us respec into new racial suit variants when they introduce a Gallente Assault equivalent, and a Caldari Small Frame, and the various other racial Dropsuit designs. they've already protected themselves against this, as is obvious in the suit tree as it is. I know a few Caldari who have skilled into Gallente Scouts simply because it's the only option that fills our preferred role. I know a few people who want to skill into Scout suits, but because the only suit of that size is Gallente, they've avoided it. I know people who have skilled into Logis instead of Assaults even though they're not the preferred suit just because it's the only medium suit they can use without funding the Caldari State. not wearing a suit because it's gallente doesn't make much sense within the eve universe. I know a lot of FPS players don't think this way, but some do, and giving those of us who are working on "best fit" options for now a chance to do what we REALLY wanted with our SP would be nice. they don't want it to be easy to play this game, if they did they would have made cod 16 or whatever Having said that, though, I hope if they DO offer this kind of respec, it ONLY lets you respec into an equivalent weapon. The current Gallente AR skill could be trade (for example) for equal amount of SP into Gauss Rifle or Scramber Rifle operation, but not Shotgun or Forge Gun or SMG skills. If you've got level 5 Gallente Scout skill, then you can trade it for level 5 Caldari [insert small frame name] skill, but you can't respec into a Heavy suit because that would violate the intent for your decisions to have consequences. it sounds to me like you wish you had been in the beta earlier. CCP gave you that option, and you passed. not their fault. I've been here since E3. And as I said, I hope for this, but don't expect it. At all. Might be nice, but not a big deal for me.