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Quickgloves SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 377	Posted - 2013.03.30 13:24:00 - [1] - Quote So in respect for the F/c's in EVE who take years to distinguish themselves as elite Fleet Commanders, I want to know the best Battle Commanders in Dust 514. I pride myself in bieng a strong Battle Commander an when I win a match bieng led by a respected B/C. So lets start a list an track everyones progress if we can. I'm sure that this will get moved to the war room soon, but for now lets keep it here. So an battle commander that wants to earn his stripes post up here an set up non corp match battles kinda like ringer wars. THis will test the B/C ability as well as give others a chance to meet rival corp members! So Let the GAMES BEGIN!
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 230	Posted - 2013.03.30 13:29:00 - [2] - Quote im not naming any names but i did win a few battles for you guys
Quickgloves SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 377	Posted - 2013.03.30 13:36:00 - [3] - Quote do you still B/C for Limp?
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 230	Posted - 2013.03.30 13:41:00 - [4] - Quote yea but im not sure on how well i do did i lose a game while F/C when i was with yall? maybe once i think iuno
Quickgloves SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 377	Posted - 2013.03.30 13:58:00 - [5] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: yea but im not sure on how well i do did i lose a game while F/C when i was with yall? maybe once i think iuno yeh we lost to SI remember. Hell back then we lost to Zion too I heard we played IMP an lost an I know SYN beat us before too. But we got back at Zion an SyN in the tournamnt by knocking them out. I dont think i have ever B/C'd against Limp or SI since then though
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.03.30 14:31:00 - [6] - Quote doesnt the game need some kind of platoon leader and platoon broadcast before we know who the good leaders are?
Quickgloves SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 379	Posted - 2013.03.30 15:19:00 - [7] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: doesnt the game need some kind of platoon leader and platoon broadcast before we know who the good leaders are? as of now you will instantly know a B/C when u join team chat ! we tend to take command early in the gae..jus tuse team chat
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 202	Posted - 2013.03.30 15:30:00 - [8] - Quote FCs lead dozens, if not hundreds, of pilots. Being in charge of eight mercs is no comparison. When an FC goes into battle hundreds of millions of ISK are on the line, the loss of which has real repercussions for the battle's participants. A DUST team leader is in charge of a group who will be risking at most about ten million isk worth of gear, which they earn pretty much by accident in pub games. Even the rather embarrassing 600 million isk loss my own corp recently suffered was a hit to our pride more than our wallet. You pretty much manufacture isk in pub games. DUST just doesn't have the stakes or battle sizes to allow us to draw a comparison between its team leaders and the FCs of EVE. I hope we get there some day, and I have every confidence that CCP will do it, but for now...meh.
Quickgloves SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 379	Posted - 2013.03.30 15:35:00 - [9] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: FCs lead dozens, if not hundreds, of pilots. Being in charge of eight mercs is no comparison. When an FC goes into battle hundreds of millions of ISK are on the line, the loss of which has real repercussions for the battle's participants. A DUST team leader is in charge of a group who will be risking at most about ten million isk worth of gear, which they earn pretty much by accident in pub games. Even the rather embarrassing 600 million isk loss my own corp recently suffered was a hit to our pride more than our wallet. You pretty much manufacture isk in pub games. DUST just doesn't have the stakes or battle sizes to allow us to draw a comparison between its team leaders and the FCs of EVE. I hope we get there some day, and I have every confidence that CCP will do it, but for now...meh. well with the 4increase in squad size to 16 stakes are raised. I do encourage the rgument that EVE F/C's are a stand above the rest commnuity, but even in a 16 v 16 or 8 v 8 a solid tactical commander does still matter.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 423	Posted - 2013.03.30 15:51:00 - [10] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: FCs lead dozens, if not hundreds, of pilots. Being in charge of eight mercs is no comparison. When an FC goes into battle hundreds of millions of ISK are on the line, the loss of which has real repercussions for the battle's participants. A DUST team leader is in charge of a group who will be risking at most about ten million isk worth of gear, which they earn pretty much by accident in pub games. Even the rather embarrassing 600 million isk loss my own corp recently suffered was a hit to our pride more than our wallet. You pretty much manufacture isk in pub games. DUST just doesn't have the stakes or battle sizes to allow us to draw a comparison between its team leaders and the FCs of EVE. I hope we get there some day, and I have every confidence that CCP will do it, but for now...meh. Can't speak about EVE FC's but one thinks that by the sound of it EVE FC"s micromanage every facet of the battlefield which i find interesting. Dust FC's have a limited personal and therefore the loss of one of those individuals be it by death or disconnect can dramatically change the tide of battle and necessitate rapid and quick tactics on the fly. Often numbers cushion the blows of losses, unless managed more on a top down level where you have squadron-->battlaion-->fleet organization at which point it is less micro and more macro with well coordinated delegation. On the fly difficult to do, with knowledge, experience and familiarity of the personel a little less so. Ive listened to a few FCs in EVE that ive found on YT and yes there is a lot of logistical elements involved, but i think thats also why you see such smaller organizations in FPS and even large player organizations like you had in MAG there was a tiered comm system that allowed for directed control of the battle and more importantly when you have leet players they generally dont need tactical direction they just need to know where the enemies are and comm chatter is minimal to non-existent because people "know" where to be and go. Now if Dust ever gets to the point where its like real where with grunts on the ground and FCs in a tent watching the battle in real time and relaying orders(then the real wargames can begin)

Quickgloves SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 379	Posted - 2013.03.30 16:35:00 - [11] - Quote I still say that even in compettive amtches like the ones in the tournaments, B/C's are a nessacity an require people with a background in it an skiill. I came from MAG where I could team broadcast an command up to 128 people at one time. A n yes i F/C in EVE. These aspects of leadership are nessacry regardless of any match a good B/C is a must in any match save PUBS
Drifter MAGGOT KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.03.30 16:54:00 - [12] - Quote Quickgloves wrote: Prius Vecht wrote: doesnt the game need some kind of platoon leader and platoon broadcast before we know who the good leaders are? as of now you will instantly know a B/C when u join team chat ! we tend to take command early in the gae..jus tuse team chat Little confused is this an actual position or just the person who just assumes command. If I base this off of the first person talking before a game that would mean potato chip guy is in charge.
Drifter MAGGOT KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.03.30 16:56:00 - [13] - Quote Quickgloves wrote: I still say that even in compettive amtches like the ones in the tournaments, B/C's are a nessacity an require people with a background in it an skiill. I came from MAG where I could team broadcast an command up to 128 people at one time. A n yes i F/C in EVE. These aspects of leadership are nessacry regardless of any match a good B/C is a must in any match save PUBS We need the leadership system like in MAG. ....and squads larger than 4.
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 100	Posted - 2013.03.30 17:30:00 - [14] - Quote Drifter MAGGOT wrote: Quickgloves wrote: I still say that even in compettive amtches like the ones in the tournaments, B/C's are a nessacity an require people with a background in it an skiill. I came from MAG where I could team broadcast an command up to 128 people at one time. A n yes i F/C in EVE. These aspects of leadership are nessacry regardless of any match a good B/C is a must in any match save PUBS We need the leadership system like in MAG. ....and squads larger than 4. I've always agreed with this. there is plenty of criteria to choose a PL and Squad leaders and even the MCC commander. This should have been implemented months ago because without it battles have no structure, no leadership and no camaraderie. Right now its every man for himself. Some version of platoon broadcast, and command chat would add some much to this game. But of course voicechat needs to be on by default first.
Otavio Martins The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 2	Posted - 2013.03.30 17:42:00 - [15] - Quote I hope I'm going to be an effective BC, I'm graduated in: -R.U.S.E. -Company of Heroes -World in Conflict -Age of Empires -Civilizations 5 So lets see if these skills help me out.
Drifter MAGGOT KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2013.03.30 18:31:00 - [16] - Quote Kushmir Nadian wrote: Drifter MAGGOT wrote: Quickgloves wrote: I still say that even in compettive amtches like the ones in the tournaments, B/C's are a nessacity an require people with a background in it an skiill. I came from MAG where I could team broadcast an command up to 128 people at one time. A n yes i F/C in EVE. These aspects of leadership are nessacry regardless of any match a good B/C is a must in any match save PUBS We need the leadership system like in MAG. ....and squads larger than 4. I've always agreed with this. there is plenty of criteria to choose a PL and Squad leaders and even the MCC commander. This should have been implemented months ago because without it battles have no structure, no leadership and no camaraderie. Right now its every man for himself. Some version of platoon broadcast, and command chat would add some much to this game. But of course voicechat needs to be on by default first. Agreed
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation 203	Posted - 2013.03.30 19:39:00 - [17] - Quote <.< I guess I classify as a battle commander despite not having lead many "official" battles. >.> I would love to hear from the pro commanders and their experiences.


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