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CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 14:46:00 -
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So i had a little extra cash and bought some of those fancy tanks (80 of them lol) so that i can see what the fuss is all about with tanking. Normally i am one that truly truly loves blowing tanks up with my forge gun. I mean the hate mail is like prime rib to me. However, after sacrificing some of the tanks i bought on some ambush's and skirmishs i started noticing a trend......
My primary Rail gun hits no where near as hard as my forge gun. I can 2 shot any turret and 1-4 shot most tanks. Lav are lol most of the time but once in a while you come across one that takes 2 shots. When i shot the installation turrets i notice it took quite a few shots to kill it compared to my forge gun.....interesting....
So i then beefed up one of the tanks and put on some damage mods and tried it out some more. Same thing, a little better with damage mods but still not as good as my forge gun. I do have large hybrid turret skill to 3 and turrets to 4 i believe so it wasn't a new b level.... The difference was amazing with the rail gun vs forge gun.
Since testing i truly believe the railguns are very underpowered compared to personal AV weapons and need a buff to at least compare to infantry av. I mean the 80 J rail gun should smoke any forge gun on the feild. Any reasonable person would conclude that a tanks MAIN weapon should outdamage a personal infantry weapon at the very least 10-1 not like it seems 3-10.
Just my 2 cents from a Forge Gunner. I believe in all fairness tanks rail guns and Missile turrets (those are just sad atm) need quite a buff. yes there are those that excell at tank shooting but you will always have your Michael Jordans in anything that is human. Anyone can play basketball but few are like him...
CPL Bloodstone
P.S. Sorry for the grammer i think my brain is bugged. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.29 15:04:00 -
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I think their was a thread a bout this before. Rail guns and rocket turrets need a huge buff. They're terrible. |
Charlotte O'Dell
PXRXO HOLDINGS
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:57:00 -
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CPL Bloodstone wrote:So i had a little extra cash and bought some of those fancy tanks (80 of them lol) so that i can see what the fuss is all about with tanking. Normally i am one that truly truly loves blowing tanks up with my forge gun. I mean the hate mail is like prime rib to me. However, after sacrificing some of the tanks i bought on some ambush's and skirmishs i started noticing a trend......
My primary Rail gun hits no where near as hard as my forge gun. I can 2 shot any turret and 1-4 shot most tanks. Lav are lol most of the time but once in a while you come across one that takes 2 shots. When i shot the installation turrets i notice it took quite a few shots to kill it compared to my forge gun.....interesting....
So i then beefed up one of the tanks and put on some damage mods and tried it out some more. Same thing, a little better with damage mods but still not as good as my forge gun. I do have large hybrid turret skill to 3 and turrets to 4 i believe so it wasn't a new b level.... The difference was amazing with the rail gun vs forge gun.
Since testing i truly believe the railguns are very underpowered compared to personal AV weapons and need a buff to at least compare to infantry av. I mean the 80 J rail gun should smoke any forge gun on the feild. Any reasonable person would conclude that a tanks MAIN weapon should outdamage a personal infantry weapon at the very least 10-1 not like it seems 3-10.
Just my 2 cents from a Forge Gunner. I believe in all fairness tanks rail guns and Missile turrets (those are just sad atm) need quite a buff. yes there are those that excell at tank shooting but you will always have your Michael Jordans in anything that is human. Anyone can play basketball but few are like him...
CPL Bloodstone
P.S. Sorry for the grammer i think my brain is bugged.
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Godin Thekiller
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:35:00 -
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I 3 shotted a Suyra with a PROTO Rail on a Gunnlogi. AV is already OP as it is; don't make it worse.... |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:41:00 -
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railgun RoF is 10 times faster then forge gun RoF giving you about 7 times the firepower then forge guns. underpowered, i call bs
railgun charge to fire 0.3 seconds forge gun charge to fire 3 seconds
missiles totally different matter, they need a speed buff. |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:49:00 -
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ladwar wrote:railgun RoF is 10 times faster then forge gun RoF giving you about 7 times the firepower then forge guns. underpowered, i call bs
railgun charge to fire 0.3 seconds forge gun charge to fire 3 seconds
missiles totally different matter, they need a speed buff.
LOL. We can only shoot 4 times in rapid succession before overheating. If you manage heating like us railgunners do, you'll notice that our shooting interval suddenly goes up to 3.5s, plus you're forgetting it already has a 2.2s or 1.8s interval before your next charge, so don't cry that we have 10X more speed or 7X more damage. Plus you can hide while charging but we can't hide our huge HAVs when firing.
But I agree missiles need a big buff. |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:50:00 -
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CPL Bloodstone wrote:So i had a little extra cash and bought some of those fancy tanks (80 of them lol) so that i can see what the fuss is all about with tanking. Normally i am one that truly truly loves blowing tanks up with my forge gun. I mean the hate mail is like prime rib to me. However, after sacrificing some of the tanks i bought on some ambush's and skirmishs i started noticing a trend......
My primary Rail gun hits no where near as hard as my forge gun. I can 2 shot any turret and 1-4 shot most tanks. Lav are lol most of the time but once in a while you come across one that takes 2 shots. When i shot the installation turrets i notice it took quite a few shots to kill it compared to my forge gun.....interesting....
So i then beefed up one of the tanks and put on some damage mods and tried it out some more. Same thing, a little better with damage mods but still not as good as my forge gun. I do have large hybrid turret skill to 3 and turrets to 4 i believe so it wasn't a new b level.... The difference was amazing with the rail gun vs forge gun.
Since testing i truly believe the railguns are very underpowered compared to personal AV weapons and need a buff to at least compare to infantry av. I mean the 80 J rail gun should smoke any forge gun on the feild. Any reasonable person would conclude that a tanks MAIN weapon should outdamage a personal infantry weapon at the very least 10-1 not like it seems 3-10.
Just my 2 cents from a Forge Gunner. I believe in all fairness tanks rail guns and Missile turrets (those are just sad atm) need quite a buff. yes there are those that excell at tank shooting but you will always have your Michael Jordans in anything that is human. Anyone can play basketball but few are like him...
CPL Bloodstone
P.S. Sorry for the grammer i think my brain is bugged.
+1 I'm glad that a compitent forge gunner decides to see our point of view on railguns vs forge guns.
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
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Posted - 2013.03.29 21:22:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:ladwar wrote:railgun RoF is 10 times faster then forge gun RoF giving you about 7 times the firepower then forge guns. underpowered, i call bs
railgun charge to fire 0.3 seconds forge gun charge to fire 3 seconds
missiles totally different matter, they need a speed buff. LOL. We can only shoot 4 times in rapid succession before overheating. If you manage heating like us railgunners do, you'll notice that our shooting interval suddenly goes up to 3.5s, plus you're forgetting it already has a 2.2s or 1.8s interval before your next charge, so don't cry that we have 10X more speed or 7X more damage. Plus you can hide while charging but we can't hide our huge HAVs when firing. But I agree missiles need a big buff. im actually not crying about it but making a statement saying the balance in damage is made up by dps which rail rail tanks wins(pro) like it should as hiding a HAV isn't easy(con). it was comparing STD forge vs STD rail. btw add a heat sink and you can fire more rounds before overheating.
rail vs forge i believe is balanced mostly with pros and cons. i have actually done both and see the diffence as correctly where they should be at.
the only buff i can see working is faster missiles for vehicle mounted turrets and more splash for installation base turrets. |
Texs Red
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 21:27:00 -
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Newton's law says that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So for a tank launching 80GJ rounds the reaction of the shot is spread out over several tons of tank plus wide treads sending some of the force into the ground, so how is a (maybe) several hundred pound person able to fire a equally powerful weapon and still stay on two feet?!
Forge guns should not be equal to a tanks main gun. That's like me running around with a gun that shoots round equal to the main gun of an M1 Abrams tank, it would rip my arms off. |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2013.03.29 21:28:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Harpyja wrote:ladwar wrote:railgun RoF is 10 times faster then forge gun RoF giving you about 7 times the firepower then forge guns. underpowered, i call bs
railgun charge to fire 0.3 seconds forge gun charge to fire 3 seconds
missiles totally different matter, they need a speed buff. LOL. We can only shoot 4 times in rapid succession before overheating. If you manage heating like us railgunners do, you'll notice that our shooting interval suddenly goes up to 3.5s, plus you're forgetting it already has a 2.2s or 1.8s interval before your next charge, so don't cry that we have 10X more speed or 7X more damage. Plus you can hide while charging but we can't hide our huge HAVs when firing. But I agree missiles need a big buff. im actually not crying about it but making a statement saying the balance in damage is made up by dps which rail rail tanks wins(pro) like it should as hiding a HAV isn't easy(con). it was comparing STD forge vs STD rail. btw add a heat sink and you can fire more rounds before overheating. rail vs forge i believe is balanced mostly with pros and cons. i have actually done both and see the diffence as correctly where they should be at. the only buff i can see working is faster missiles for vehicle mounted turrets and more splash for installation base turrets.
I was using standard count of 4 shots before overheat, comparing standard to standard. Of course you can add a heat sink. But you can also add damage mods for forge guns which are clearly broken right now and need to be fixed ASAP.
And no rail tanks don't have more DPS, considering an actual wait time of around 3s between each shot is made.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
265
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:57:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I 3 shotted a Suyra with a PROTO Rail on a Gunnlogi. AV is already OP as it is; don't make it worse....
A single example is not enough a reason to change game balance. if you threeshot 45 out of 50 surya's, then yes |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
265
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Posted - 2013.03.29 23:36:00 -
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I agree there's something funny with forge vs large rail powers. But, it's very hard to balance gamewise.
Putting something like forge gun, even of same power, for tank users arsenal would be nasty for everyone around.
I'd like that a tank mounted rail would be immensely powerful. And I've got an idea!
SUGGESTION: Give Large Rail power at comparable to breach forge gun. BUT make it's tracking speed even worse than now. That would nerf it hard against infantry.
Of course that would make rail tanks' role more like behind the front line sniping. |
Void Echo
A.I.
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Posted - 2013.03.30 00:01:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:I agree there's something funny with forge vs large rail powers. But, it's very hard to balance gamewise.
Putting something like forge gun, even of same power, for tank users arsenal would be nasty for everyone around.
I'd like that a tank mounted rail would be immensely powerful. And I've got an idea!
SUGGESTION: Give Large Rail power at comparable to breach forge gun. BUT make it's tracking speed even worse than now. That would nerf it hard against infantry.
Of course that would make rail tanks' role more like behind the front line sniping, mostly facing single direction. That would in a way make it sensible for hand held forge guns to exist; those would have the advantage of turning on spot (in addition to being small infantry targets.)
that's missing the point, the forge guns should be the ones being compared to railguns, not the other way around, the larger the weapon the more powerful it should be, the forge gun is human size so it shouldn't be more powerful than a weapon the size of a car. its the forge gun that should be compared to the railgun |
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