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Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:01:00 -
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So I managed to catch our favourite dev CCP Wolfman on IRC and I immediately asked him a question I have been meaning to do for ages.
(08:41:39)Musta_Tornius let's try this one and see if you bite! [CCP]Wolfman is there a reason why laser optimal minimum range pushes out (when upgrading sharpshooter) with max range too, is this by design or a bug?
(08:42:14)[CCP]Wolfman the laser skill thing is a bug
I didn't ask how they intend to fix it, by keeping it the minimum value or making it smaller as the sharpshooter skill changes, but at least we know that we don't have to keep sharpshooter at a certain level to make it usable at medium ranges. Hopefully next build will have it sorted.
You guys should join IRC to get a chance to ask some questions yourself! It is nice talking to the devs when they have a few mins to do Q&A. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:11:00 -
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Thought that was common knowledge? It was in the dev blog last week?? |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:20:00 -
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Is the channel name IRC, or is it an abbreviation for the channel name? |
Musta Tornius
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:24:00 -
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Common knowledge you say? I must have missed that part then :P channel name is #dust514 and it's on the coldfront IRC server. |
RuckingFetard
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:51:00 -
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So, how do I join that server? |
Musta Tornius
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Posted - 2013.03.29 10:46:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:So, how do I join that server?
IRC thread
That thread has all the answers you are looking for. |
RuckingFetard
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:12:00 -
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OK thanks |
Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:21:00 -
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Anyway lasers people lasers! Let's talk about lasers. |
RuckingFetard
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:23:00 -
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I want red and blue lasers, depending upon the meta level of the rifle. Yippee? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:27:00 -
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Laser rifle users despair! The viziam is suppose to have 15 instead of 20 damage just like the other LRs, and will be "nerfed" to 15 base damage in the next build. |
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Musta Tornius
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:28:00 -
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Whilst I like the idea of different coloured lasers depending on their meta level, IGÇÖm not sure if it is warrented as their range and damage stats are supposed to be the same.
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Deskalkulos Ildigan
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:29:00 -
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Rucking Fetard: IRC stands for Internet relay chat, which is basically the name of the system used. Like icq or skype or aol messenger. . . |
RuckingFetard
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:34:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Laser rifle users despair! The viziam is suppose to have 15 instead of 20 damage just like the other LRs, and will be "nerfed" to 15 base damage in the next build.
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Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:47:00 -
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Well you went and opened that can of worms didn't you Kagehoshi! |
Cat Merc
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:36:00 -
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Well, can't let you laser users have all the fun :) |
Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.03.29 13:32:00 -
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Lasers are just as overpowered as a good shotgunner, a good gunlogi, a sniper, the AR's.
You know there is a strategie against lasers, which, other than you might think, is not whining, i'ts trying to sneak your way around and get this guys in cqc. Bam, done.
Lasers are just like a "middle" range sniper, how useless would this weapon become if it isn't that deadly in distance?
Especially in distance it has to be deadly, otherwise the enemys back up and you will never get a kill.
That's just stupid.
But if you want to go on with your nerf range, well lat's nerf proto tanks down so even a scout has more HP than a 1 mil ISK tank.
If you get railed to death by a laser, it's just your fault, pay attention to the kitten battlefield, or leave it. |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
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Posted - 2013.03.29 14:38:00 -
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Good to know. Being on the receiving end of the laser many, many times I never could quite grasp at which points to be most worried (aside from point blank where I could laugh at anyone still trying to use the laser). Now I see why it seemed to vary from user to user. |
Washlee
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 14:41:00 -
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Laser bug is to be fixed with next patch. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 14:55:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:So I managed to catch our favourite dev CCP Wolfman on IRC and I immediately asked him a question I have been meaning to do for ages.
(08:41:39)Musta_Tornius let's try this one and see if you bite! [CCP]Wolfman is there a reason why laser optimal minimum range pushes out (when upgrading sharpshooter) with max range too, is this by design or a bug?
(08:42:14)[CCP]Wolfman the laser skill thing is a bug
I didn't ask how they intend to fix it, by keeping it the minimum value or making it smaller as the sharpshooter skill changes, but at least we know that we don't have to keep sharpshooter at a certain level to make it usable at medium ranges. Hopefully next build will have it sorted.
You guys should join IRC to get a chance to ask some questions yourself! It is nice talking to the devs when they have a few mins to do Q&A.
You know i was the one who compiled your observations about laser and posted it on forums and i think, just like you, that the mininmum optimal range shouldnt be changed by sharpshooter;
If they fix it, then it's a good thing. But it could also make the lasers pretty much unbearable as they would end up with almsot 70 meter optimal range. ( 60-126 if my memory is good). This has to be fixed but also needs laser to actually have a real over-heat system and a rework of the damage evolution. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:28:00 -
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"Fixing" the sharpshooter skill on the laser would make it OP imo. You'll be doing maximum damage both mid range and long range (assuming prof. 5). I think Wolfman referred to the lasers heat build up skills, which are bugged atm. Increasing range pushes optimum damage range which makes sense imo.
You are sacrificing mid range for long range. Considering the laser has no recoil and the damage increase by continuous fire I think it's a good sacrifice. Fixing the overheat skill will increase laser damage because it would overheat at less than 10 energy packs, which means even more damage by continuous fire. Also the Viziam LR should have 18 damage. Dedicated laser user here btw. |
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Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:53:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:"Fixing" the sharpshooter skill on the laser would make it OP imo. You'll be doing maximum damage both mid range and long range (assuming prof. 5). I think Wolfman referred to the lasers heat build up skills, which are bugged atm. Increasing range pushes optimum damage range which makes sense imo.
You are sacrificing mid range for long range. Considering the laser has no recoil and the damage increase by continuous fire I think it's a good sacrifice. Fixing the overheat skill will increase laser damage because it would overheat at less than 10 energy packs, which means even more damage by continuous fire. Also the Viziam LR should have 18 damage. Dedicated laser user here btw.
I was quite clear when talking about the laser with him and he did mean the optimal range not heat buildup.
Lasers need a few fixes overall but sorting out the ridiculous minimum optimal range increase is needed. It is hardly a good game balance moving the minimum range up so that it becomes weaker with skill increases. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:23:00 -
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I've used lasers in the past and still toy around with the basic from time to time. I honestly feel that the basic is a little OP, and that the ELM-7 doesn't have enough of a gap between it and the basic to make it worth the CPU cost increase. Give the basic 14 damage, the ELM-7 16 and the Viziam 18 and I think things would be fine (from the damage perspective that is). Having both the basic and the advanced doing the same damage with only a minor difference in the heat build up is kind of depressing when you look at the fitting requirements. |
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