DUST Search - Corporation Suit 'Skin' Design

Thrillhouse Van Houten wrote:

The Black Jackal wrote:

You can then do the same design principal for Vehicles, applying different designs to vehicles, even basing your Logos on your individual Units (or equivalent) within your corporation to instill a sense of Unit Loyalty and pride, as well as Corporate Pride.

You can have 'Specialist' Unit Designs, like a simple all-black design for Night Ops, or Black Ops Squads.

Or you can have an Imperial Troopers sort of style, pure white with black trimmings, for forward assault units, making themselves very visible and possibly distracting enemies from the incoming 'Black Ops 'Units.

I don't mind the idea but the quoted text is pretty much exactly why I am not completely "for" this idea...

People will use the mechanic that is supposed to be about making your dropsuits individual to your PC and make it about deriving the least little battlefield advantage they possibly can.

Why have blue and red (your Corp colors, say) with a big golden eagle rampant on the shoulder when you can have khaki and brown suits for open desert maps and gunmetal or steel colored suits for city/installation maps?

Almost every single Corp would use SOME variation of those color schemes to desperately clutch at any battlefield camouflage advantage they can get their grubby mitts on. I wouldn't blame them but all it does is make dropsuit color design options 1) pay to win (assuming it would cost AUR) or 2) completely pointless as only an idiot is going to run around in a blaze orange dropsuit...even if they are front-line Assault guys.

I even like displaying my Corporate pride, but as a medic I would be completely taking leave of my senses if I donned a bright ass red "shoot me please" dropsuit as I'm running into a hail of bullets to revive a fallen Corpmate.

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The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 307	Posted - 2013.03.26 03:36:00 - [1] - Quote Bringing a sense of unity, pride, and self to your Corporation should be number #2 Priority for the Devs. Why? Because a good community will keep players here. The community in game, are the corporations, and having a design specific to your Corporation will put your corporation out there. So how do we go about doing this? At the moment, there are no specific 'skins' that can be applied to Dropsuits, but there are different Dropsuits with different colour schemes. Firstly, I'd introduce the ability to 'color' your own Suit for AUR or ISK maybe. A Simple UI interface that allows you to change the Armor Colours (Primary and Secondary), the Suit underneath's Colours (Primary and Secondary), as well as Accessories. This would be a matter of 'purchasing' the component patterns and colours for the suit, so the more you put into the suit, the more it will cost you. For Example: Armor Primary - Black (Results in PLate PLates on your suit of armour. Armor Secondary - Red (Results in the Straps, and Armor Joins on your Armour being Red) Suit Primary - Khaki (Results in the Suit being coloured Khaki Green underneath the armor plates. Suit Secondary - Brown (Results in the Secondary Components of any Design being coloured Brown.) Suit Pattern - Camouflage Two (Results in a Pattern resembling Camouflage Overlaying the Suit and mixing Primary and Secondary Colours up. Accessories = Black (Results in your additional Accessories that don't fall under above categories to be coloured Black.) All up this suit combination would give you a fair look. Now you place your Corporation (Or other Logo) on the shoulder. Done! You have this epic design you love. And you're a Director of your Corporation... You have everyone donate to a pool of resources (or use AURUM) to buy a 'Corporation Design Patent'. That is active for a month, or 3 months, or a set period of time. From this point on, your Corporation members can apply this Design to any of their suits for that period of time.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 307	Posted - 2013.03.26 03:42:00 - [2] - Quote You can then do the same design principal for Vehicles, applying different designs to vehicles, even basing your Logos on your individual Units (or equivalent) within your corporation to instill a sense of Unit Loyalty and pride, as well as Corporate Pride. You can have 'Specialist' Unit Designs, like a simple all-black design for Night Ops, or Black Ops Squads. Or you can have an Imperial Troopers sort of style, pure white with black trimmings, for forward assault units, making themselves very visible and possibly distracting enemies from the incoming 'Black Ops 'Units.
Thrillhouse Van Houten DIOS EX. 44	Posted - 2013.03.26 04:00:00 - [3] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: You can then do the same design principal for Vehicles, applying different designs to vehicles, even basing your Logos on your individual Units (or equivalent) within your corporation to instill a sense of Unit Loyalty and pride, as well as Corporate Pride. You can have 'Specialist' Unit Designs, like a simple all-black design for Night Ops, or Black Ops Squads. Or you can have an Imperial Troopers sort of style, pure white with black trimmings, for forward assault units, making themselves very visible and possibly distracting enemies from the incoming 'Black Ops 'Units. I don't mind the idea but the quoted text is pretty much exactly why I am not completely "for" this idea... People will use the mechanic that is supposed to be about making your dropsuits individual to your PC and make it about deriving the least little battlefield advantage they possibly can. Why have blue and red (your Corp colors, say) with a big golden eagle rampant on the shoulder when you can have khaki and brown suits for open desert maps and gunmetal or steel colored suits for city/installation maps? Almost every single Corp would use SOME variation of those color schemes to desperately clutch at any battlefield camouflage advantage they can get their grubby mitts on. I wouldn't blame them but all it does is make dropsuit color design options 1) pay to win (assuming it would cost AUR) or 2) completely pointless as only an idiot is going to run around in a blaze orange dropsuit...even if they are front-line Assault guys. I even like displaying my Corporate pride, but as a medic I would be completely taking leave of my senses if I donned a bright ass red "shoot me please" dropsuit as I'm running into a hail of bullets to revive a fallen Corpmate.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 697	Posted - 2013.03.26 04:30:00 - [4] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: Bringing a sense of unity, pride, and self to your Corporation should be number #2 Priority for the Devs. Definitely not even close to number two. I'm sorry but community doesn't quite matter. The social aspects are merely being tested right now. In the future they will be so, but as of now, the game needs to operate correctly and have the functions necessary.
Dearh By HIV Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2013.03.26 05:22:00 - [5] - Quote So what if everyone uses some sort of tan, brown, green, combo of camoflauge... Not every environment will be a desert. You would change your dropsuit design to match your environment. Urban warfare, you will use colors that blend in to the environment. Winter warfare, you willl have a white camo setup. Night ips, black... What is wrong with this?? Anyhting that makes a suit customizable is better for the game. Anything that players can do themsleves to change their suit just adds an element to the game. Making it something you have to skill up? Awesome.. Level 1 Camoflauge = 1 added color slot to dropsuit Level 2 Camoflauge = 2 color slots Level 3 Camoflauge = 3 color slots etc etc etc... What is wrong with this? Some people will choose to use their SP in this catagory, some wont. I think it is a GREAT idea, whether it is "for unity, for an advantage on the field, or for individuality" it is still a great idea, and another place for Mercs to spend their SP... +1
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 313	Posted - 2013.03.27 04:32:00 - [6] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: The Black Jackal wrote: Bringing a sense of unity, pride, and self to your Corporation should be number #2 Priority for the Devs. Definitely not even close to number two. I'm sorry but community doesn't quite matter. The social aspects are merely being tested right now. In the future they will be so, but as of now, the game needs to operate correctly and have the functions necessary. It would be at, or close to number 2.. with gameplay elements being No. #1... Social elements keep players playing, gameplay, graphics, and unique things to do attract people. But when they believe they've 'conquered' the current content, or don't think there's anything else to do. The Social aspect is what keeps them around, pushes them to delve deeper into the player interactivity. SP Farmers - Play until they cap, then don't play anymore. Nil Social Aspect. ISK Farmers - Play over and over and over, never donate to corporation wallets, and don't socialise because they don't view chat channels. They just enter the next fight as soon as the current one finishes. Give them the ability to 'wear' a uniform, or have custom outfits, they'll engage in the social aspect more. You can be a part of the Imperfects, and wear one uniform, but then another person joins Zion TCD, and they wear a distinctly different uniform. Both are recognizable on the field by some degree (though by how much would depend on the designers involved). I want to be able to stand on the battlefield, as have so many I've spoken to in game about this, and state that I'm a member of (Insert Corp / Unit / Alliance Name here) and I'm wearing their colours.
Andius Fidelitas Algintal Core Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2013.03.27 05:18:00 - [7] - Quote I support the spirit of this thread. Hoorah for corps colors and symbols in our armor and vessels (Given how EVE developers dare not to venture into there). Given how camo is of no use to super soldiers, I see no reason to exhibit corps pride, especially for those of us who delight in CQC combat. ^^
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 316	Posted - 2013.03.30 14:09:00 - [8] - Quote I would like to see this idea extended to EVE as well... they've given us V3 Skins on ships that are very nice, and have the 'manufacturer's' logo, (or racial logo) on the hull. Now's the time to set up templates that you can apply, then 'colour' to your Corporation Colours.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 332	Posted - 2013.04.01 15:00:00 - [9] - Quote Going to bump this up, to highlight how much this idea would mean to a lot of mercs. (Whether for tactical purposes or to show their corp pride, or for that one guy who HAS to wear a bright fluoro pink Assault Suit with Vibrant Yellow Glowing Armour plates on the Battlefield for Night Visibility.
tander09 RISE OF THE EMPIRE 0	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:25:00 - [10] - Quote -_- +1+1+1+1+1

Galrick M'kron Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 30	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:36:00 - [11] - Quote I think this should be an option in your fitting, under a "cosmetic" tab. You can purchase colors and logos with Aurum (they never run out) but you always have your corporation's color design and logo. The color scheme is like in the OP, but your logo placement in any fitting (Dropsuit or vehicle) is determined by the dropsuit or vehicle's model.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. 84	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:54:00 - [12] - Quote I've seen mention somewhere that this is exactly the type of thing AUR will be used for. As for making it corp colours that may be difficult, would you require people to buy AUR in order to join your corp?
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 356	Posted - 2013.04.05 11:58:00 - [13] - Quote RINON114 wrote: I've seen mention somewhere that this is exactly the type of thing AUR will be used for. As for making it corp colours that may be difficult, would you require people to buy AUR in order to join your corp? Currently I personally require all members to have UVTs if they want to participate in corp battles. However, communal pooling will always have this issue. You can't force people to buy AUR, unless you really do want to have a ghost corp, but it's the most viable way I can see it happening and CCP actually gaining something out of it. ISK cost could be implemented with player market, but the initial purchase should still come from AUR.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 127	Posted - 2013.04.05 13:04:00 - [14] - Quote I wanna paint my dropship up like a reaver ship from serenity. Scrap metal accents and the blood of my enemies.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2387	Posted - 2013.04.05 13:07:00 - [15] - Quote At the moment, each suit has a base colour for each "tier" - Militia suits are typically lighter shades, while Prototypes are black or nearly so. A Corp Colour scheme should overlay these colours already present on the suit - the "trim" colours - detailing and things - should be fixed based on the suit type and tech level. The primary colour should be matched to Corp colours by default (but with the option to adjust it on an individual level by paying AUR), but the cheaper suits will have lighter shades of the chosen colour than the Advanced and Prorotype versions. With the way visibility works at range, enemies become silhouettes that you can't distringuish colours on anyway, so the only potential benefit that might come should be negated by the fact that you have a nice big red marker above your head.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 359	Posted - 2013.04.05 23:17:00 - [16] - Quote I'm not really for the gradation based on suit tier. What if you want your Proto Type Suit to be White? Under your system, you'd never achieve that. The idea is purely cosmetic in application, unless your sensor dampening is so high you can afford a brief glance and not show up with a red marker. The ideal would be that you set exact colour schemes, based on your corp colors, camo, or whatever you want.
Judy Maat Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 16	Posted - 2013.04.05 23:24:00 - [17] - Quote this is not the Sims here.. anny color customization would just put more pressure on the game engine (that try to fit in a ridiculusly small PS3 machine..RAM CPU etc..) and like mentioned manny time already this would only be abused to have some sort of camouflage.. I like the dropsuit to a a definite look so i can recognize a suit type easily and fast.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 359	Posted - 2013.04.05 23:30:00 - [18] - Quote Judy Maat wrote: this is not the Sims here.. anny color customization would just put more pressure on the game engine (that try to fit in a ridiculusly small PS3 machine..RAM CPU etc..) and like mentioned manny time already this would only be abused to have some sort of camouflage.. I like the dropsuit to a a definite look so i can recognize a suit type easily and fast. They already have different colour suits in the Primordial suits etc.. they did so when they had AUR versions such as the 'relic' suits and such during closed beta. The system is there already, so stating it puts more pressure on the system is ludicrous when it's been , and is being, done. Prototype suits are Black... yet on the darker maps what I call DUSK maps, they gain no advantage.. why? because colour doesn't affect your Sensor profile, which is what gives you a red chevron. And point of matter... it wouldn't be abusive if they did use it for camo.. why? Because a real military would. It's called 'Smart' not 'Abusive'.
SickJ French unchained corporation 53	Posted - 2013.04.06 01:26:00 - [19] - Quote Judy Maat wrote: I like the dropsuit to a a definite look so i can recognize a suit type easily and fast. This. A corp logo is customization enough, IMO.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 18	Posted - 2013.04.06 05:16:00 - [20] - Quote +1 You out did yourself today, Jackal. :)

Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 91	Posted - 2013.04.06 22:04:00 - [21] - Quote Mine would be pink and fluffy.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation 114	Posted - 2013.04.06 22:13:00 - [22] - Quote mine would be planetary and responsive
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 364	Posted - 2013.04.07 17:27:00 - [23] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Mine would be pink and fluffy. Actually had a conversation about this with a few guys in a game... Imagine, striking fear into the hearts of your enemies, them running from you, because they see pink... Dunno about the fluffy, but a Pink and White Camo Pattern would say "LOOK! We're the Pink Army!" It would, at least, be distinctive.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative 0	Posted - 2013.04.07 18:15:00 - [24] - Quote Thrillhouse Van Houten wrote: The Black Jackal wrote: You can then do the same design principal for Vehicles, applying different designs to vehicles, even basing your Logos on your individual Units (or equivalent) within your corporation to instill a sense of Unit Loyalty and pride, as well as Corporate Pride. You can have 'Specialist' Unit Designs, like a simple all-black design for Night Ops, or Black Ops Squads. Or you can have an Imperial Troopers sort of style, pure white with black trimmings, for forward assault units, making themselves very visible and possibly distracting enemies from the incoming 'Black Ops 'Units. I don't mind the idea but the quoted text is pretty much exactly why I am not completely "for" this idea... People will use the mechanic that is supposed to be about making your dropsuits individual to your PC and make it about deriving the least little battlefield advantage they possibly can. Why have blue and red (your Corp colors, say) with a big golden eagle rampant on the shoulder when you can have khaki and brown suits for open desert maps and gunmetal or steel colored suits for city/installation maps? Almost every single Corp would use SOME variation of those color schemes to desperately clutch at any battlefield camouflage advantage they can get their grubby mitts on. I wouldn't blame them but all it does is make dropsuit color design options 1) pay to win (assuming it would cost AUR) or 2) completely pointless as only an idiot is going to run around in a blaze orange dropsuit...even if they are front-line Assault guys. I even like displaying my Corporate pride, but as a medic I would be completely taking leave of my senses if I donned a bright ass red "shoot me please" dropsuit as I'm running into a hail of bullets to revive a fallen Corpmate. some future planets will look like the planet that obi wan and anakin fought on in star wars so donning bright red will be advantageous
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 367	Posted - 2013.04.09 03:24:00 - [25] - Quote Current mechanics don't favour camouflage, as often, simply glancing at people = red chevron for you and your team to see. The camouflage would be, bye extension, aesthetic. The only time it would become a 'tactical' choice, is if a manual 'spotting' mechanic is instituted.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 146	Posted - 2013.04.09 11:54:00 - [26] - Quote Hmm, I would make my armor blue, the color of blueberries, so that way when redberries see me they will think I am not a redberry but one of their blueberries and allow me to get real close and give them a warm and fuzzy feeling with my lazors. I only like this idea for corp matches and for maybe like walk in stations or the loading lobby Anything else would be uncivilized and confusing. I don't need 20 different color teamates and 20 different color enemies.


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