DUST Search - Armor tanks, nerfed. Again??

rebecca watson wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

rebecca watson wrote:

ok 2 points:

1. I'm skeptical right off the bat, because I havent heard any, any chatter about nerfing armor/buffing exp AV- where's the evidence for this?

2. *ahem* I did just happen to lose a Madruger like 10 minutes ago.......
-after getting one swarm bringing my shields down, in a match that only had two other players in it- I activated my two hardeners- and start scanning for reds. zooming in I see incoming swarms and activate my repper,

and then no more madruger.

lows = best rep, best 180 plate, 2x best hardeners + dmg mod.

I bet 4 damage mods in a B type Assault proto suit & Proto Swarm = woosh no more 'any' Tank, they should fix stacking but on all the mods, tanks included.

K sure, but---------- you just dreamed up some hypothetical max damage scenario in an armchair setting. This happened within the first 2minutes of an ambush with 2 players on the other side, maybe 6 with randoms on the other side at the time of (low dramatic voice) destruction

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Rei Shepard Spectre II 97	Posted - 2013.03.26 08:40:00 - [61] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Cannot wait to fit proto packed AV nades so I can harvest the tears of bitter tank vets. +1 :) Same here, must suck seeing that carefully sculpted KDR drop like a brick when they reach 0 ISK in their wallets and now have to run militia Assault Suit fits vs Proto Veterans with Duvolles....or quit. My guess is they quit :p
rebecca watson Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.03.26 08:45:00 - [62] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: rebecca watson wrote: ok 2 points: 1. I'm skeptical right off the bat, because I havent heard any, any chatter about nerfing armor/buffing exp AV- where's the evidence for this? 2. ahem I did just happen to lose a Madruger like 10 minutes ago....... -after getting one swarm bringing my shields down, in a match that only had two other players in it- I activated my two hardeners- and start scanning for reds. zooming in I see incoming swarms and activate my repper, and then no more madruger. lows = best rep, best 180 plate, 2x best hardeners + dmg mod. I bet 4 damage mods in a B type Assault proto suit & Proto Swarm = woosh no more 'any' Tank, they should fix stacking but on all the mods, tanks included. K sure, but---------- you just dreamed up some hypothetical max damage scenario in an armchair setting. This happened within the first 2minutes of an ambush with 2 players on the other side, maybe 6 with randoms on the other side at the time of (low dramatic voice) destruction
Sylwester Dziewiecki BetaMax. CRONOS. 35	Posted - 2013.03.26 08:47:00 - [63] - Quote OP, could you link that changes to AV?
rebecca watson Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.03.26 08:50:00 - [64] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Cannot wait to fit proto packed AV nades so I can harvest the tears of bitter tank vets. +1 :) Same here, must suck seeing that carefully sculpted KDR drop like a brick when they reach 0 ISK in their wallets and now have to run militia Assault Suit fits vs Proto Veterans with Duvolles....or quit. My guess is they quit :p dude, so much hate. Vehicles are hard in this game man....... have you tried? it's an isk-sink, you need a squad of homies working in concert w you in order to not get blown up, and to be able to shoot and stay safe at the same time. Assault/AR is easymode ------- Let me re-iterate this............. ASSAULT RIFLE AND ASSAULT SUIT IS EAAAAASSSSYYYY MODE. any variance that others choose helps to diversify the game and make for better gameplay- I don't give an F about my KDR, my alt steven novella chose tanks to help my corp and squad, not for my epeen. __________________________________________________________________ We're just checking to see if there was some steath buff/nerf
rebecca watson Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.03.26 08:57:00 - [65] - Quote also------- I don't know if anyone has noticed- but tank drivers don't go 40 or 30 or even 20 and 0 anymore. Most tanks I see called in get single digits, or get blown up. The ones that I see survive and score high are anywhere from singles to the 20's. I roll with AR and Heavies that average 20-30 kills per game with low single digit losses, and the costs are way less. The days of uber-tank ownege are over. However, still fun to play, but I feel like there's a very delicate balance right now.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 98	Posted - 2013.03.26 08:58:00 - [66] - Quote rebecca watson wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: rebecca watson wrote: ok 2 points: 1. I'm skeptical right off the bat, because I havent heard any, any chatter about nerfing armor/buffing exp AV- where's the evidence for this? 2. ahem I did just happen to lose a Madruger like 10 minutes ago....... -after getting one swarm bringing my shields down, in a match that only had two other players in it- I activated my two hardeners- and start scanning for reds. zooming in I see incoming swarms and activate my repper, and then no more madruger. lows = best rep, best 180 plate, 2x best hardeners + dmg mod. I bet 4 damage mods in a B type Assault proto suit & Proto Swarm = woosh no more 'any' Tank, they should fix stacking but on all the mods, tanks included. K sure, but---------- you just dreamed up some hypothetical max damage scenario in an armchair setting. This happened within the first 2minutes of an ambush with 2 players on the other side, maybe 6 with randoms on the other side at the time of (low dramatic voice) destruction Looking at it, a Militia Fit AV can 3 shot a Militia tank, using thatas a base the same Proto AV should theoretically be able to 3 shot a Proto tank. My Duvolle with my proto suit & 4x complex damage mods eats a heavy in +- 24 rounds (@600 dps) just enough time for him to say "WTF" , even less when i hit him in the face and his suit costs around 300k, where mine is 170k. I also do that from my armchair where i play the game, ISK spend in Eve or Dust does not equal to being invincible and tanks vs blueberries are way too much invincible. 1 Dedicated AV guy and a dedicated tank guy comes crying, sounds to me AV works like it should and tankers have felt way too safe inside their tank shell until SP catches up to them for infantry. for the record, i dont hate tanks, i just hate the stat padding jerks that drive em because they can against new people.
Beld Errmon Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 552	Posted - 2013.03.26 10:07:00 - [67] - Quote Yeah I can't be arsed entering the debate on AV vs tank, I only posted to reply to the OPs original statement that militia swarms 1 shotted his tank, they didn't one shot mine and it tanked multiple swarms as per usual. If this is happening I'm guessing its a rather horrible bug I have yet encounter, I have encountered protoswarms with dmg mods, and they most certainly hurt but they don't OHK, not my tank anyway.
Swedish Murder Machine Arrogance. 6	Posted - 2013.03.27 00:03:00 - [68] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Edited. Cuz I'm to drunk. Long story short armor tanks were nerfed and explosive AV does more damage to armor now. sounds to me like you got hit by proto swarms and a militia at the same time, militia hit last and killed you imo (very possible that you got hit by invis swarms, happens to me every now and then). Only time i've ever been 2 hit is by packed proto av nades. Encountered swarms of the proto type and they hurt and 90% of the time make me run for cover, but they don't one hit me :/. Even if AV vs armor was boosted 100%, nothing can one hit you with hardeners up. who knows maybe I'm just stronk tank. personal opinion of a Soma Burnination driver.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 96	Posted - 2013.03.27 00:22:00 - [69] - Quote Wouldn't be surprised. CCP, has for some reason been sucking up to Assault newbs, its probably because majority of the playerbase are Assault newbs. CCP, stop nerfing tanks, it feels wrong when me by myself can take out a Gunnloggi/Madrugar solo with nothing but Skinweave Heavy, AV Grenades, an Assault FG and one Complex Damage Mod. Imagine this game without vehicles, imagine how boring corp battles would be. CCP, this is why a lot of players AFK farm, they're not willing to put time into earning something that somewhere down the road will be nerfed without notice. So please CCP, do the right thing. If you're going to nerf something, tell us when and why. We still haven't found out why Jovian Fusion Powerplants were nerfed or even why Dropship afterburners were nerfed. Really CCP, who the hell was complaining about Dropship Afterburners?
Casius Hakoke Fenrir's Wolves 12	Posted - 2013.03.27 01:25:00 - [70] - Quote I have been wondering about this. Last night I broke out the free militia AV suit and I have to have taken out at least 6 or 7 tanks with 2 to 3 shots. I have absolutely no skills in AV but it was incredibly easy to do. I haven't gotten my tank out to play sense the little patch we had, but I don't think I want to after the damage my free AV suit can do. It seemed like there was no point in even putting skill points into AV with how easy it was. Unfortunately it seems as though my SP I put into tanks has been wasted until everything gets balanced properly, oh well guess I'll just use the militia AV fit for some fun till they fix it.

Sigberct Amni ZionTCD Legacy Rising 29	Posted - 2013.03.27 02:39:00 - [71] - Quote What a bummer, just got my armor tank where I wanted as far as EHP and this happens? Dang. Oh well, I put the majority of my points into the assault suit so I'll just not bother with tank skills for now. And yeah where my militia swarm used to do nothing to opposing tanks, i've certainly noticed how 0 SP AV stuff does a poop ton more damage. Time to blow **** up I guess.
Nguruthos IX Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 170	Posted - 2013.03.27 02:58:00 - [72] - Quote Why does nobody have numbers on this? Is it not as easy as comparing previous and current damage of AV on market and tanks/modules? Or is there some hidden factor like bonus damage that keeps getting fiddled with secretly?
Beld Errmon Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 552	Posted - 2013.03.27 05:48:00 - [73] - Quote I've got no numbers but i can say without a bit of doubt this is BS armor tanks haven't been nerfed they aren't taking anymore dmg from explosives since the build began.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2592	Posted - 2013.03.27 12:06:00 - [74] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: I've got no numbers but i can say without a bit of doubt this is BS armor tanks haven't been nerfed they aren't taking anymore dmg from explosives since the build began. same my tank still feels the same so yea no ninja nerf OP
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 87	Posted - 2013.03.27 12:24:00 - [75] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Corn In TheSkidmark wrote: Cool story Brah. So you're happy about losing another player? Do you not care that this game is going to be ostracized by everyone, when they see that the only thing anybody uses are assault suits and guns, with the occasional logibro thrown in? No scouts sneaking around hacking stuff quickly, putting down uplinks, flanking with shotguns. No drivers of any type because dropship and LAV physics are terrible and tanks nerfed to irrelevancy? Nobody using a heavy, because the forge gun won't be needed because nobody will use vehicles, and nobody using the HMG because the heavy suit is made of paper mache. Do you really want that to happen? Because by doing nothing, you're going to help cause this game to fail before it can ever get started. I gotta say, my corpmates and I played 3 ambush matches last night and every single one was Duvolles and VK.0 Assault suits. I've got a Type-II Heavy with Complex Shield Extenders on all 3 highs and they were tearing me apart like paper. We said **** this and did a skirmish after that.
NAV HIV The Generals 169	Posted - 2013.03.27 13:48:00 - [76] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: I've got no numbers but i can say without a bit of doubt this is BS armor tanks haven't been nerfed they aren't taking anymore dmg from explosives since the build began. same my tank still feels the same so yea no ninja nerf OP Thought so bro. Nerf or Buff Armor tanking is not for everyone
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 515	Posted - 2013.03.27 15:13:00 - [77] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: 'Darkside' CBR7 Swarm Launcher Your Name Here Rage Quit lol Actually militia 1 shotted me today with everythibg running and full health. One-shot with a Precision Strike maybe...
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2163	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:21:00 - [78] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: 'Darkside' CBR7 Swarm Launcher Your Name Here Rage Quit lol Actually militia 1 shotted me today with everythibg running and full health. One-shot with a Precision Strike maybe... Another possibility is that he ran into REs or a Prox mine at about the same time the Swarms hit, and they got the kill credit, but the explosives under his tank did most of the work.


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