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Gunner Nightingale
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Posted - 2013.03.25 01:36:00 -
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Here is the conundrum
*IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted.
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Pulled that from gamestop.com regarding their sale of the Merc pack from today. If the terms clearly state i am to get a refund of my AURUM to my character account during each reset and for the commercial release. Those who say we are in commercial release would argue that our AURUM was refunded to us during the wipe prior to open beta and that open beta was commercial release and should have gotten a AURUM refund back to character for COMMERCIAL RELEASE.
The conundrum, CCP has clearly laid the line that there will be no more SP resets. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619126#post619126
However for everyone maintaining this is still a Beta and not Commercial release the sticky reality is then CCP needs to refund us our AURUM and to do that without SP reset (as they maintain they WILL NOT DO) means lots more SP boosters bought and a wider SP gap.
So either 1/22/13 was commercial release(beta-work in progress is a tagline) and CCP has fullfilled their obligations of the commericial release language was met(though debatable still) or it is not commercial release and CCP finds themselves in a curious pickle..
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Posted - 2013.03.25 01:54:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:[quote=Gunner Nightingale]Here is the conundrum
Very logical reply. Now that someone put it this way, I can see now how this is a very sticky situation. But CCP didn't dismiss the idea of an SP reimbursement and to be honest there are probably not that many players who bought the merc packs since open beta. So reimbursing the AUR spent back to their characters may not be such a big deal since Dust is just getting started.
Yes but the SP reimbursement language refers more to getting back SP back for things like dropsuits or other skill sets where they introduce new content into similar to what they do EVE side.
Even then still the issue becomes it creates a scenario where every individual that has since closed beta to date and more so all merc pack purchases made up to the date of "comercial release" would get aurum refunded and will have reaped the benefits of AURUM bought boosters twice if there isnt a requisite SP wipe to balance it.
While this would be an awesome "beta tester reward" (which if the marketing dept is smart will spin this as and save face) it creates it still comes at some sort of cost to the player base because they are getting double their moneys worth out of a single paid item. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 03:14:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Originally, the Mercenary Pack stated: IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted.
Merc pack does not say that anymore. You got your AUR reset in Chromosome build.
I wont post the actual wording again just look a few posts up. And here is the link the terms are still the same at Gamestop so what they're are selling an item under two DIFFERENT set of terms and conditions at the same time. That only makes it worse.
http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/dlc/dust-514-gamestop-mercenary-pack/106107 |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 05:13:00 -
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Aighun wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Originally, the Mercenary Pack stated: IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted.
Merc pack does not say that anymore. You got your AUR reset in Chromosome build. I wont post the actual wording again just look a few posts up. And here is the link the terms are still the same at Gamestop so what they're are selling an item under two DIFFERENT set of terms and conditions at the same time. That only makes it worse. http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/dlc/dust-514-gamestop-mercenary-pack/106107 Gamestop merc pack is Gamestop Mercenary Pack. Different item. But if you buy that and the game ever goes to commercial release you should get the items back, or items of similar value. Just like it says.
So you agree they are operating under TWO sets of T&A for the same product(oh and giving me two toxins instead of one is not enough to warrant a separate product and putting the "gamestop" preceding it is simply indicating the vendor) so again this only makes the situation worse.
Still all of these merc packs are subject to EULA and whatever language is in there can be argued to supercede the "contract" that is being agreed upon at point of purchase. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:25:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:yay...these ass hats are going to force a server wipe...thanks for that >.>
Yay and ass hat over here prefers to bury their head in the sand rather then acknowledge CCP screwed up.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=642189#post642189
Not everyone here is clamoring for an AUR refund. I sure as hell dont want one because i know what it inevitably would mean for them to do it. Point is CCP keeps going in circles and STILL has the original language of the TC at a different vendor. Add to this their continued commitement to no SP reset, only possible SP reimbursements in skill subsections affected by a content update and everything else this puts CCP in seriously murky water.
Compound this with the TC make references to the EULA (a agreement that they can change at will and by us simply logging we tacitly agree to that agreement which they could but like WON'T ever use to wiggle out of this conundrum) and you have the makings of something that could utterly railroad and derail their project.
Pretending that this is not a problem or dismissing players as ignorant, stupid or entitled makes you look even worse and clearly demonstrates your ignorance at the larger issue. The bury your head in the sand and hope(lock it until) it goes away doesnt solve the issue and will only get worse as time moves forward.
1. CCP needs to address the language of wheter this is or is not Commercial release
2. If it is still a beta CCP needs Gamestop to remove or update that disclaimer (as many of you claim its still beta)
3. If it is still a beta and there are no AURUM resets problem becomes they took money for an unfinished product.
4. You arguing that a person is stupid for spending money on an unfinished product and expecting reimbursement of IN GAME funds not ACTUAL REFUND OF MONEY clearly dont understand Consumer product law, you acting like this isn't an issue for CCP to worry about displays remarkable ignorance.
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