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          N1ck Comeau 
          Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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        Posted - 2013.03.24 19:53:00 -
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          Ok so we can all say there are problems with the game we know that. some are bad others are tolerable 
  But what i can't stand is seeing repeated threads like Av is OP or Tanks are OP Nerf the assault rifles
  I'm not saying that there aren't good points in these threads but i'm pretty sure CCP knows. No need to kick the dead horse.
  Another huge thing i see all the time is people wanting the Devs and stuff to interact with us more. We all want the Devs to talk to us 24/7 and make the game perfect and super polished. But that just can't happen all at once take some time and wait a little. The game is only in a beta stage and is free to play. We can't expect it to be perfect at the moment. 
  Pretty much what i'm saying is we can't have everything at once. We also need to let the devs do there job. I can't imagine being a dev is easy. So why should we expect things done super super quick. | 
      
      
      
          
          GeneralButtNaked 
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          N1ck Comeau wrote:
  Pretty much what i'm saying is we can't have everything at once. We also need to let the devs do there job. I can't imagine being a dev is easy. So why should we expect things done super super quick.
  
  Do you ever make a post where you don't have your nose firmly jammed into CCP's hindquarters?
  People are upset because CCP is not delivering on any promises so far. They won't even confirm a date for the next build, but we already know that it won't happen before the next Eve drop. 
  So instead of telling us frankly that we are not getting anything until June, they post the soon garbage and hope that people keep buying merc packs till then. If they openly came out and said that we had 8 weeks to go to the next build, more than a few people would put off on their next aurum purchase and just let the passive SP do the work. CCP knows this and doesn't want to reduce whatever revenue stream they are currently getting from Dusties. They are essentially passing a portion of the development costs directly to the consumer. Instead of making a product worth selling, they are selling the promise of a product worth something, and hoping to stretch out the delivery frame as long as they can. 
  It is a ridiculous manner in which to start a product on the market. 
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          N1ck Comeau 
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          GeneralButtNaked wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:
  Pretty much what i'm saying is we can't have everything at once. We also need to let the devs do there job. I can't imagine being a dev is easy. So why should we expect things done super super quick.
  Do you ever make a post where you don't have your nose firmly jammed into CCP's hindquarters? People are upset because CCP is not delivering on any promises so far. They won't even confirm a date for the next build, but we already know that it won't happen before the next Eve drop.  So instead of telling us frankly that we are not getting anything until June, they post the soon garbage and hope that people keep buying merc packs till then. If they openly came out and said that we had 8 weeks to go to the next build, more than a few people would put off on their next aurum purchase and just let the passive SP do the work. CCP knows this and doesn't want to reduce whatever revenue stream they are currently getting from Dusties. They are essentially passing a portion of the development costs directly to the consumer. Instead of making a product worth selling, they are selling the promise of a product worth something, and hoping to stretch out the delivery frame as long as they can.  It is a ridiculous manner in which to start a product on the market.    Its a business. I never said that they weren't in it for the money. They would be a pretty crappy business if they werent.
  Oh and about my nose being you know where, I'm and optimist I like to be positive. Sorry if that upsets you. | 
      
      
      
          
          Indianna Pwns 
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          I believe the expression is 'no point in continuing to flog a dead horse', kicking a dead horse is just wierd.   | 
      
      
      
          
          N1ck Comeau 
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          Indianna Pwns wrote:I believe the expression is 'no point in continuing to flog a dead horse', kicking a dead horse is just wierd.     Well thanks for clearing that up. | 
      
      
      
          
          Nemo Bluntz 
          Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
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          When you're paying real money in exchange for fake money to spend on resources that run out, in part, to what you see to be unfair circumstances (spawn camping, weapons not working properly, drop ships blowing up your vehicle, dying by map glitches, etc., etc.), I don't see the problem with people making complaints or expecting a high standard at all. If it were a totally free beta where the microtransactions were with Monopoly money just to give them a test, I'd probably agree with you. But that's not the case, so I say let the complaints keep on coming. 
  Even if sometimes the complaints are ignorant. | 
      
      
      
          
          N1ck Comeau 
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          Nemo Bluntz wrote:When you're paying real money in exchange for fake money to spend on resources that run out, in part, to what you see to be unfair circumstances (spawn camping, weapons not working properly, drop ships blowing up your vehicle, dying by map glitches, etc., etc.), I don't see the problem with people making complaints or expecting a high standard at all. If it were a totally free beta where the microtransactions were with Monopoly money just to give them a test, I'd probably agree with you. But that's not the case, so I say let the complaints keep on coming. 
  Even if sometimes the complaints are ignorant.   Good point | 
      
      
      
          
          Iron Wolf Saber 
          BetaMax. CRONOS.
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        Posted - 2013.03.24 20:37:00 -
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          As for standards, please keep them high. | 
      
      
      
          
          Laheon 
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          Nemo Bluntz wrote:When you're paying real money in exchange for fake money to spend on resources that run out, in part, to what you see to be unfair circumstances (spawn camping, weapons not working properly, drop ships blowing up your vehicle, dying by map glitches, etc., etc.), I don't see the problem with people making complaints or expecting a high standard at all. If it were a totally free beta where the microtransactions were with Monopoly money just to give them a test, I'd probably agree with you. But that's not the case, so I say let the complaints keep on coming. 
  Even if sometimes the complaints are ignorant.  
 
  The funny thing would be is if you kept dying in "unfair circumstances" yet kept on paying real money, since probability dictates it's going to happen again..... | 
      
      
      
          
          Indianna Pwns 
          The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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          Nemo Bluntz wrote:When you're paying real money in exchange for fake money to spend on resources that run out, in part, to what you see to be unfair circumstances (spawn camping, weapons not working properly, drop ships blowing up your vehicle, dying by map glitches, etc., etc.), I don't see the problem with people making complaints or expecting a high standard at all. If it were a totally free beta where the microtransactions were with Monopoly money just to give them a test, I'd probably agree with you. But that's not the case, so I say let the complaints keep on coming. 
  Even if sometimes the complaints are ignorant.  
 
  Solution:
  Don't drop money on an unfinished product full off glitches and bugs. If you're unhappy with the state of the game speak with your wallet, I guarantee if everyone stopped buying Aurum we'd start seeing fixes implemented at a faster pace.
  However if you continue to happily spend your money you can have no complaints if you lose your gear because of a bug or glitch. | 
      
      
      
          
          GeneralButtNaked 
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          Indianna Pwns wrote:
 
  Solution:
  Don't drop money on an unfinished product full off glitches and bugs. If you're unhappy with the state of the game speak with your wallet, I guarantee if everyone stopped buying Aurum we'd start seeing fixes implemented at a faster pace.
 
 
  
  QFT. 
  I won't be giving CCP another cent until they do their part of the equation and give us something worth paying for. | 
      
      
      
          
          P14GU3 
          Expert Intervention Caldari State
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          I hate to admit this OP, but I agree with buttnaked and the others on this one. Saying anything about it's still being beta, is "kicking a dead horse." There will be no more resets, so effectively, cash spent and sp gained is permanent. My 30 day active booster from my merc pack runs out in a few days. I wont be getting another anytime soon. | 
      
      
      
          
          Heligg 
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          GeneralButtNaked wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:
 
  Solution:
  Don't drop money on an unfinished product full off glitches and bugs. If you're unhappy with the state of the game speak with your wallet, I guarantee if everyone stopped buying Aurum we'd start seeing fixes implemented at a faster pace.
 
 
  QFT.  I won't be giving CCP another cent until they do their part of the equation and give us something worth paying for.   
  There are many signals telling that CCP is preparing something big. At the momment they don't give us much but I believe they have things they could deploy but they are stacking it to launch everything at once. One signal is that those who made Path of Exile or Mechwarrior online asked the press to test their games is beta. CCP has not done that. They are waiting.
  It can be anoying for us , but in terms of marketing it's probably the best choice.
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          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf 
          Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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          Where the hell are people getting June from? | 
      
      
      
          
          Laheon 
          Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Where the hell are people getting June from?  
  Next EVE expansion. | 
      
      
      
          
          Ignoble Son 
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          Indianna Pwns wrote:I believe the expression is 'no point in continuing to flog a dead horse', kicking a dead horse is just wierd.    
 
 Indianna Pwns wrote:I believe the expression is 'no point in continuing to flog a dead horse', kicking a dead horse is just wierd.    
  I thought it was: "don't look a gift horse in the mouth".   or is that a horse of a diferent color?
  I think that what the opponents of the topic are trying to say is that, where dust is concerned, CCP is a bit of a dark horse, and they are beginning to think they may have backed the wrong horse. While proponents are of the opinion that CCP works like a horse and that we should all stop putting the cart before the horse.
  Perhaps, what is really needed is for all of us to just climb down from our high horses.
  I, on the other hand, would just like to here it strait from the horses mouth, and, at this point would pretty much be willing to give my kingdom for a horse.
  Maybe we should all just stop horsing around, or perhaps we would all benifit from a hood bit of horse play... Who really knows? *shrugs* | 
      
      
      
          
          Laheon 
          Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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        Posted - 2013.03.24 21:28:00 -
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          Ignoble... Never again. Ever. | 
      
      
      
          
          Boomer Dues Mortis 
          D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
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          My standards are not too high. I am sorry after a month I would of expected them to fix skirmish when it was told to them it did not record stats when the mcc blew up. Or how about the L1 bringing up the menu that has been going on since this build dropped. Those are some pretty big things that are not getting fixed. Other issues are grenades bouncing off invisible barriers, hit detection, shooting through mountains and items on the map.
  There is also the fact we have not gotten a new build in quite some time, we have been playing the same maps over and over. Where are the other maps, other weapons and how about bringing back Skirmish 1.0 all stuff asked for a long time now, but we have not gotten it. | 
      
      
      
          
          Ignoble Son 
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          Laheon wrote:Ignoble... Never again. Ever.  
  Now I feel lik a horses @$$ | 
      
      
      
          
          Indianna Pwns 
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          Ignoble Son wrote:Laheon wrote:Ignoble... Never again. Ever.  Now I feel lik a horse's @$$  
  There, there buddy. Now pick yourself up and get back in the saddle. 
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          Garrett Blacknova 
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          Ignoble Son wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:I believe the expression is 'no point in continuing to flog a dead horse', kicking a dead horse is just wierd.    I thought it was: "don't look a gift horse in the mouth".    or is that a horse of a diferent color? I think that what the opponents of the topic are trying to say is that, where dust is concerned, CCP is a bit of a dark horse, and they are beginning to think they may have backed the wrong horse. While proponents are of the opinion that CCP works like a horse and that we should all stop putting the cart before the horse. Perhaps, what is really needed is for all of us to just climb down from our high horses. I, on the other hand, would just like to here it strait from the horses mouth, and, at this point would pretty much be willing to give my kingdom for a horse. Maybe we should all just stop horsing around, or perhaps we would all benifit from a good bit of horse play... Who really knows? *shrugs*   Are you feeling a little hoarse after all that? | 
      
      
      
          
          Laheon 
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          Indianna Pwns wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Laheon wrote:Ignoble... Never again. Ever.  Now I feel lik a horse's @$$  There, there buddy. Now pick yourself up and get back in the saddle.   
  Groan. You make me want to stand in the middle of Manus Peak in a scout suit, armed with nothing but a nova knife. Repeatedly. | 
      
      
      
          
          Nemo Bluntz 
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          Indianna Pwns wrote:Solution:
  Don't drop money on an unfinished product full off glitches and bugs.    I agree, that's why I don't. | 
      
      
      
          
          Ignoble Son 
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          Laheon wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Laheon wrote:Ignoble... Never again. Ever.  Now I feel lik a horse's @$$  There, there buddy. Now pick yourself up and get back in the saddle.   Groan. You make me want to stand in the middle of Manus Peak in a scout suit, armed with nothing but a nova knife. Repeatedly.  
  Well, you can lead a horse to water but you canGÇÖt make it drink.
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          Himiko Kuronaga 
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          Nemo Bluntz wrote:When you're paying real money in exchange for fake money to spend on resources that run out, in part, to what you see to be unfair circumstances (spawn camping, weapons not working properly, drop ships blowing up your vehicle, dying by map glitches, etc., etc.), I don't see the problem with people making complaints or expecting a high standard at all. If it were a totally free beta where the microtransactions were with Monopoly money just to give them a test, I'd probably agree with you. But that's not the case, so I say let the complaints keep on coming. 
  Even if sometimes the complaints are ignorant.  
 
  If you knew what you were getting into, does it not fall onto the consumer to feel stupid rather than bitching to someone else about it?
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          BASSMEANT 
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          jesus.
 
  where do they get these montessori players from?
 
  no op you're right.
 
  it's a flawless game, a masterpiece of both style and intensity, a classic in the fps gaming genre, it's the pinnacle, the tops, the tower of piza... it's everything perfect and nothing bad.
 
  go... spend more!!!
 
  and anyone who says otherwise is just a flat out negative nellie, a naysayer, a hater, a downer...
  Peace B
 
  ps except for those of us who know what we are talking about.  but then again, you guys never seem to get it, so i guess even those people look negative.
  especially to the soft serve cones. | 
      
      
      
          
          Rupture Reaperson 
          Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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          N1ck Comeau wrote:Ok so we can all say there are problems with the game we know that. some are bad others are tolerable 
  But what i can't stand is seeing repeated threads like Av is OP or Tanks are OP Nerf the assault rifles
  I'm not saying that there aren't good points in these threads but i'm pretty sure CCP knows. No need to kick the dead horse.
  Another huge thing i see all the time is people wanting the Devs and stuff to interact with us more. We all want the Devs to talk to us 24/7 and make the game perfect and super polished. But that just can't happen all at once take some time and wait a little. The game is only in a beta stage and is free to play. We can't expect it to be perfect at the moment. 
  Pretty much what i'm saying is we can't have everything at once. We also need to let the devs do there job. I can't imagine being a dev is easy. So why should we expect things done super super quick.   Question, how long have you been here?
  If answer is under the 6 month mark, please go and check the HUMONGOUS pile of threads made by "veteran accounts" complaining of issues we STILL have to this very day.
  If answer is over 6 months, you should know better. | 
      
      
      
          
          Himiko Kuronaga 
          SyNergy Gaming
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          BASSMEANT wrote:jesus.
 
  where do they get these montessori players from?
 
  no op you're right.
 
  it's a flawless game, a masterpiece of both style and intensity, a classic in the fps gaming genre, it's the pinnacle, the tops, the tower of piza... it's everything perfect and nothing bad.
 
  go... spend more!!!
 
  and anyone who says otherwise is just a flat out negative nellie, a naysayer, a hater, a downer...
  Peace B
 
  ps except for those of us who know what we are talking about.  but then again, you guys never seem to get it, so i guess even those people look negative.
  especially to the soft serve cones.  
 
  Who says "Peace" and then signs their name after every post? That's like some pretentious middle school crap. | 
      
      
      
          
          Thog A Kuma 
          Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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          Beta forums are all like this. there are stages to the posts as games go from beta to release to young through mature to waning. no real use in getting frustrated by it, people are people, Same stuff different game.
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          CYRAX SERVIUS 
          Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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          Nemo Bluntz wrote:When you're paying real money in exchange for fake money to spend on resources that run out, in part, to what you see to be unfair circumstances (spawn camping, weapons not working properly, drop ships blowing up your vehicle, dying by map glitches, etc., etc.), I don't see the problem with people making complaints or expecting a high standard at all. If it were a totally free beta where the microtransactions were with Monopoly money just to give them a test, I'd probably agree with you. But that's not the case, so I say let the complaints keep on coming. 
  Even if sometimes the complaints are ignorant.   Last time I checked no one is forcing you to buy aurum anything. If you buy anything other than uvt, maybe some boosters and a bpo suit, twenty bucks, that's your problem. I stand by my corpmate, quit crying, don't buy anything. | 
      
      
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