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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:08:00 -
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Why is the merc pack $20US for American ps3 users and $30Au for Australian ps3 users?
Last time I checked the Australian dollar was almost the same and some days higher than the USD.
Please stop ripping us off. |
Green Living
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
94
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:15:00 -
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NERF COW TEK |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:17:00 -
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There is only one reason to do it and that is because it's a small market without something like EU clout so they can and they do.
The only way to make your opinion count is to vote is with your wallet. I would never cop regional pricing for digital goods. It's simply theft as you get zero additional benefit for the inflated price.
If you want to play computer games you should stick to Steam and get someone in the US to gift games to you. Problem solved. |
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek
4
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:20:00 -
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Think we need a buff actually. There should be rules against shooting at us...
Anyhow I really would like an answer from CCP on this one. Why do we pay 50% more for the same thing?
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek
4
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:26:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:There is only one reason to do it and that is because it's a small market without something like EU clout so they can and they do.
The only way to make your opinion count is to vote is with your wallet. I would never cop regional pricing for digital goods. It's simply theft as you get zero additional benefit for the inflated price.
If you want to play computer games you should stick to Steam and get someone in the US to gift games to you. Problem solved.
Thanks, but "because f**k you" is not an acceptable answer. Neither is "go play another game".
When I buy physical copies of games I usually get them imported, pay for the shipping and still save $20 bucks or more. Unfortunately this can't be done with the merc pack.
The smaller market argument is BS. The cost is no different to deliver the product here. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:29:00 -
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:Anyhow I really would like an answer from CCP on this one. Why do we pay 50% more for the same thing?
Because they are engaging in regional pricing to simply rip you off.
The old excuse used to be exchange rate as the $AUD was undervalued against the $USD. Now it is over parity and nothing has changed. Now they don't roll out any excuse - they just do it.
It's a bit of a shame that a small nation company like CCP feels it also needs to engage in such scumbaggery.
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek
4
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:33:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:Anyhow I really would like an answer from CCP on this one. Why do we pay 50% more for the same thing?
Because they are engaging in regional pricing to simply rip you off. The old excuse used to be exchange rate as the $AUD was undervalued against the $USD. Now it is over parity and nothing has changed. Now they don't roll out any excuse - they just do it. It's a bit of a shame that a small nation company like CCP feels it also needs to engage in such scumbaggery.
Unfortunately you are probably right.
"Because f**k you" is still unacceptable.
Would CCP like to give me that answer themselves? |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:37:00 -
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:Would CCP like to give me that answer themselves? I would love to hear CCP defend the indefensible as well.
It is disgraceful price gouging and should be explained.
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Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:46:00 -
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Don't you guys normally pay more for your games anyway.
I am in no way defending it tho. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:16:00 -
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Cpt Murd0ck wrote:Don't you guys normally pay more for your games anyway.
I am in no way defending it tho. However, getting worse.
As the EU puts up with less of this crap and the US is competitive they are trying to squeeze the margins.
So the situation is getting worse.
For example, is it cheaper to fly from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles and buy a physical copy of Adobe Creative Suite 6 and fly back than it is to buy it in Australia by a digital download. It's criminal.
It's a shame to see CCP plumbing similar depths. |
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Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
173
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:22:00 -
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:Three Double-A Batteries wrote:There is only one reason to do it and that is because it's a small market without something like EU clout so they can and they do.
The only way to make your opinion count is to vote is with your wallet. I would never cop regional pricing for digital goods. It's simply theft as you get zero additional benefit for the inflated price.
If you want to play computer games you should stick to Steam and get someone in the US to gift games to you. Problem solved. Thanks, but "because f**k you" is not an acceptable answer. Neither is "go play another game". When I buy physical copies of games I usually get them imported, pay for the shipping and still save $20 bucks or more. Unfortunately this can't be done with the merc pack. The smaller market argument is BS. The cost is no different to deliver the product here.
Is anything else on the PSN more expensive than the US counterpart or is it just the Merc pack |
psyanyde
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:23:00 -
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Has more to do with the Australian Government.
There's a pretty good article here on the why of games and things costing more.
In this case it's to 'protect Australian game developers'
TL;DR: As is the case of many things the government is to blame. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3201
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:27:00 -
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psyanyde wrote:Has more to do with the Australian Government. There's a pretty good article here on the why of games and things costing more. In this case it's to 'protect Australian game developers' TL;DR: As is the case of many things the government is to blame.
In Euro has to do with a silly VAT tax... I think ccp legalese finally found a way around that. |
Sigberct Amni
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
23
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:33:00 -
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psyanyde wrote:Has more to do with the Australian Government. There's a pretty good article here on the why of games and things costing more. In this case it's to 'protect Australian game developers' TL;DR: As is the case of many things the government is to blame. I'd sooner believe this than every game dev company telling Aus to go **** themselves. Especially with digital only distribution. Physical distribution, maybe but even then its a stretch.
Anyways, apparently your government is ******* you. News at 8. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1166
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:40:00 -
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Its probably cause its "established". A higher price for video games has allways beeing the case for aussies due to stupid reasons like shipping or other. However charging you more for a digital product then its value is in my eyes theft. You could bypass this by making a PSN account that is signed to a USA address so you would have access to the USA PSN store. However you cant use your credit card in that store but you can bypass it with buying PSN card codes on certain retailers (they send you the voucher code via email). And sony wont stop you from creating such accounts. As long you spend money in their network they simply dont bother. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:55:00 -
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:Why is the merc pack $20US for American ps3 users and $30Au for Australian ps3 users?
Last time I checked the Australian dollar was almost the same and some days higher than the USD.
Please stop ripping us off.
the easiest way is to start an american account (simple).
if you think that things across the world should be a set price, then i think you should stop charging us import prices for fosters.
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Pent'noir
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2013.03.24 05:03:00 -
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There could be a reason, but I don't know what it is. It sorta reminds me of the guy that was buying college text books in the Philippines (or somewhere like that) and then shipping them over to the US to sell on a website. He could buy them for 50% less over there and shipping costs didn't account for very much. He was making millions before he got caught. |
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek
4
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Posted - 2013.03.24 05:49:00 -
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low genius wrote:CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:Why is the merc pack $20US for American ps3 users and $30Au for Australian ps3 users?
Last time I checked the Australian dollar was almost the same and some days higher than the USD.
Please stop ripping us off. the easiest way is to start an american account (simple). if you think that things across the world should be a set price, then i think you should stop charging us import prices for fosters.
Yeah I guess an American account would work, but then it's back to square one on the skill points.
More importantly.... 1. Why is anyone anywhere drinking Fosters? 2. Fosters isn't even Australian owned and probably not made here anymore. It is most likely made in Europe or the US these days. 3. Data costs no more to send to Australia than any other country with Internet access. 4. Why the f**k would anyone anywhere be drinking Fosters? |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.03.24 06:19:00 -
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CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:low genius wrote:CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:Why is the merc pack $20US for American ps3 users and $30Au for Australian ps3 users?
Last time I checked the Australian dollar was almost the same and some days higher than the USD.
Please stop ripping us off. the easiest way is to start an american account (simple). if you think that things across the world should be a set price, then i think you should stop charging us import prices for fosters. Yeah I guess an American account would work, but then it's back to square one on the skill points. More importantly.... 1. Why is anyone anywhere drinking Fosters? 2. Fosters isn't even Australian owned and probably not made here anymore. It is most likely made in Europe or the US these days. 3. Data costs no more to send to Australia than any other country with Internet access. 4. Why the f**k would anyone anywhere be drinking Fosters? Just don't give them a cent and tell everyone why games why.
And then they wonder why RMT is rampant in MMOs. |
Argo Filch
BetaMax. CRONOS.
12
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Posted - 2013.03.24 08:29:00 -
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EU Merc Pack is 20Gé¼. That's about 26$. 20$+19% VAT would be 24$. There's always something.
But I saw an article somewhere (I believe techcrunch) on how it's cheaper to fly to the US to get an Adobe Software product then to buy it in Australia. Didn't read it but I guess there's a reason other then "ripping people off" for that. And yeah... The flying to US thing was probably meant as a joke. |
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Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:18:00 -
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Argo Filch wrote:EU Merc Pack is 20Gé¼. That's about 26$. 20$+19% VAT would be 24$. There's always something.
But I saw an article somewhere (I believe techcrunch) on how it's cheaper to fly to the US to get an Adobe Software product then to buy it in Australia. Didn't read it but I guess there's a reason other then "ripping people off" for that. And yeah... The flying to US thing was probably meant as a joke. It's not a joke, businesses have put people on a plane to do it.
When it is cheaper to thousands of miles cross continent to buy software in a box than a digital store you know something is rotten.
And CCP are cashing in as well. It's a disgrace. |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
106
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:35:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:Argo Filch wrote:EU Merc Pack is 20Gé¼. That's about 26$. 20$+19% VAT would be 24$. There's always something.
But I saw an article somewhere (I believe techcrunch) on how it's cheaper to fly to the US to get an Adobe Software product then to buy it in Australia. Didn't read it but I guess there's a reason other then "ripping people off" for that. And yeah... The flying to US thing was probably meant as a joke. It's not a joke, businesses have put people on a plane to do it. When it is cheaper to thousands of miles cross continent to buy software in a box than a digital store you know something is rotten. And CCP are cashing in as well. It's a disgrace. Not just that - Adobe's Australian chief has recently sorta suggested just that.
"Australians can go to the US if they want lower American prices on boxed Adobe products, or buy the companyGÇÖs cloud-based offering, an Adobe official told a Parliamentary panel today." |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
31
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:23:00 -
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It is rubbish. CCP should be encouraging Sony to charge all of CCP's customers fairly rather than discriminating against some.
Edit: and I can *guarantee* that the pricing difference affects my purchasing decisions. It has before, and it will continue to do so. I don't like being ripped off, and I imagine others are like me. |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
173
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:27:00 -
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Why are you guy's bashing CCP from what I see all games/dlc are more expensive in Aus than the US |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1167
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:06:00 -
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wouldnt it be cheaper to buy software in the USA and then let it ship to you? |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:09:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:Why are you guy's bashing CCP from what I see all games/dlc are more expensive in Aus than the US Why not "bash" them for price gouging?
If it costs over 50% more why isn't it over 50% better?
CCP are price fixing. |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
174
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:14:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:Calgoth Reborn wrote:Why are you guy's bashing CCP from what I see all games/dlc are more expensive in Aus than the US Why not "bash" them for price gouging? If it costs over 50% more why isn't it over 50% better? CCP are price fixing.
Like I said everything on the PSN cost more so how are they price fixing you guy's just looking for an excuse to bash CCP do you know for a fact that CCP set the price on the PSN for Aus or are you just being the negative poster you always seem to be in every post I have seen from you |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
233
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:16:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:Why not "bash" them for price gouging?
If it costs over 50% more why isn't it over 50% better?
CCP are price fixing.
I was really, really hoping this moment would come. Your post is in breach of the following rule:
5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2116
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:17:00 -
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Australia has weird tax laws that bump the prices up. That explains ALMOST half the increase in price of the average game compared with the same product in US stores.
And it doesn't explain a thing about why NZ gets shafted even worse on most of the same products while our local laws aren't as strict as Australia's laws are.
I think my favourite is books though.
With online bookstores overseas, including the cost of shipping, the worst-case scenario is that I'm paying 25% of what it costs in a local store without counting the cost of getting to the shop.
EDIT: Although I think Sony are probably at least as responsible for this one as CCP are. I don't know for sure, but I'd be inclined to guess that's the case. |
Akira Regendorf
Conspiratus Immortalis
22
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:59:00 -
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You do realize that the minimum wage in Aus is about 50% higher than in the US here and here are some links to pages with the info about the minimum wage. So looking at this it would take about 6 hours of work at minimum wage to pay for a $110 game in Aus. In the US the federal minimum wage is $7.25 so working minimum wage it would take about 8 hours of work to pay for a $60 dollar game in the US. Of course idk what your tax rates and such are like, idk how much of that you actually take home compared to in the US.
TL;DR you guys make more money, the amount of work to pay for a game is less |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2116
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:03:00 -
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Akira Regendorf wrote:You do realize that the minimum wage in Aus is about 50% higher than in the US here and here are some links to pages with the info about the minimum wage. So looking at this it would take about 6 hours of work at minimum wage to pay for a $110 game in Aus. In the US the federal minimum wage is $7.25 so working minimum wage it would take about 8 hours of work to pay for a $60 dollar game in the US. Of course idk what your tax rates and such are like, idk how much of that you actually take home compared to in the US. TL;DR you guys make more money, the amount of work to pay for a game is less And that one ALSO doesn't make up the price difference in NZ. So I'm still getting shafted. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:21:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Australia has weird tax laws that bump the prices up. That explains ALMOST half the increase in price of the average game compared with the same product in US stores.
And it doesn't explain a thing about why NZ gets shafted even worse on most of the same products while our local laws aren't as strict as Australia's laws are.
I think my favourite is books though.
With online bookstores overseas, including the cost of shipping, the worst-case scenario is that I'm paying 25% of what it costs in a local store without counting the cost of getting to the shop.
EDIT: Although I think Sony are probably at least as responsible for this one as CCP are. I don't know for sure, but I'd be inclined to guess that's the case. What "weird" tax laws?
Australia has a 10% retail sales tax at a federal level and nothing at state level - and tax DOES NOT APPLY to online purchases under $1,000.
There are also no wholesale taxes. I don't think it gets any simpler than that and it doesn't explain a thing as the Australian government does not set the prices.
These are digital items where the $AUD is trading at 1.04 to the $USD but the DIGITAL items cost over 50% more than the US.
This is pure and simply price gouging by CCP. It's shameful and they shouldn't do it. |
Mithridates VI
The Southern Legion
454
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:28:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:This is pure and simply price gouging by CCP. It's shameful and they shouldn't do it.
Oh, it's you again, still making things up to support your crusade against CCP.
You do understand that the difference in price between Australia and the US on the PS Store exists across many, if not all, games, right?
Don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of your "shame on you, CCP" argument, though. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2116
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:28:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Australia has weird tax laws that bump the prices up. That explains ALMOST half the increase in price of the average game compared with the same product in US stores.
And it doesn't explain a thing about why NZ gets shafted even worse on most of the same products while our local laws aren't as strict as Australia's laws are.
I think my favourite is books though.
With online bookstores overseas, including the cost of shipping, the worst-case scenario is that I'm paying 25% of what it costs in a local store without counting the cost of getting to the shop.
EDIT: Although I think Sony are probably at least as responsible for this one as CCP are. I don't know for sure, but I'd be inclined to guess that's the case. What "weird" tax laws? Australia has a 10% retail sales tax at a federal level and nothing at state level - and tax DOES NOT APPLY to online purchases under $1,000. There are also no wholesale taxes. I don't think it gets any simpler than that and it doesn't explain a thing as the Australian government does not set the prices. These are digital items where the $AUD is trading at 1.04 to the $USD but the DIGITAL items cost over 50% more than the US. This is pure and simply price gouging by CCP. It's shameful and they shouldn't do it. There are other laws relating specifically to digital products which exist to "protect the Australian market" - it's similar to import taxes that are applied in the US against many foreign farm produce that are competing with local products. But it's a "free market"
Also, Australian and NZ game prices are listed INCLUDING tax, while US prices for everything are listed BEFORE tax. So that $60 is actually $60 + tax. Like I said earlier though, even counting ALL the logical reasons why our prices (both NZ and Aus) are higher than US prices, there's still a gap where they're over-charging beyond the ability to provide any explanation. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:31:00 -
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Double-A, it's hardly just CCP, no? If all the items on the Sony store are displaying the same trend, then it'll be Sony providing the reason for the price increase. Perhaps it's an increased cost in running the PSN servers in Australia. Perhaps it's the increased living costs for the workers in Australia. Perhaps it's any number of costs that come from being in Australia rather than the US or Europe.
Don't assign blame when you don't know all the details. Makes you out to look like an idiot. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2013.03.24 23:37:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Three Double-A Batteries wrote:This is pure and simply price gouging by CCP. It's shameful and they shouldn't do it. Oh, it's you again, still making things up to support your crusade against CCP. You do understand that the difference in price between Australia and the US on the PS Store exists across many, if not all, games, right? Don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of your "shame on you, CCP" argument, though. There is little point complaining about other games and developers here don't you think?
This is CCP's forum, their gouging so complaints about it go here.
You should stop your personal attacks and you are trolling as well. |
Mithridates VI
The Southern Legion
466
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Posted - 2013.03.25 01:32:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Three Double-A Batteries wrote:This is pure and simply price gouging by CCP. It's shameful and they shouldn't do it. Oh, it's you again, still making things up to support your crusade against CCP. You do understand that the difference in price between Australia and the US on the PS Store exists across many, if not all, games, right? Don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of your "shame on you, CCP" argument, though. There is little point complaining about other games and developers here don't you think? This is CCP's forum, their gouging so complaints about it go here. You should stop your personal attacks and you are trolling as well.
What personal attack? The lying to maintain your crusade are very clear. They're not necessarily negative attributes, they're just important to mention in dealing with you because they so heavily influence your posts.
The point was that your assertions that CCP is responsible for the differing prices is unsubstantiated and there is reason to believe it is incorrect. |
Joseph Ridgeson
Cactus Rats
22
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Posted - 2013.03.25 01:59:00 -
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Australia gamers are just royally boned for all times sadly. I hate seeing fellow gamers bay 80+ for games that Americans and most of Europe pay 60 for. Pay 60 Euro for a game that goes for 60 USD is one thing but when it is literally just inflated? Very lame.
I remember seeing an episode of Extra Credits that explained it something like this: the prices were set when the Australian dollar was much weaker than the US dollar, so 80 equaled out to 60. When the AUD got stronger, the prices didn't change. Whether or not it is true, I have no idea. However the gaming culture of Australia has royally been hosed by prices.
Be well. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.03.25 08:47:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I remember seeing an episode of Extra Credits that explained it something like this: the prices were set when the Australian dollar was much weaker than the US dollar, so 80 equaled out to 60. When the AUD got stronger, the prices didn't change. Whether or not it is true, I have no idea. However the gaming culture of Australia has royally been hosed by prices. That used to be the argument.
Now the currency positions have switched to parity and then some but the price hikes and gouging continue.
I don't care if it's not just CCP doing it, but they are very much a part of the problem.
If they wanted to kick start their game they shouldn't act like scumbags on pricing. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.03.25 08:54:00 -
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Ask Sony, not CCP :) |
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