You act like you only read my title. I explained why HAVs were overpowered, and how to fix it without actually making them inferior. I agree, HAVs are not overpowered against AV, but a disorganized foe likely won't have powerful enough of AV. That's why I am suggesting this. Why should HAVs require less cooperation than AV? That's my main point, and I thought I made it quite clear in my wall of text.

Militia AV works on Militia tanks - yes, you can try to kill something better with just militia stuff, but don't expect to kill it. Instead you may pin it down, with is good.
If you would skill-up to tanks you will know that they high resistance are not permanent, every active module have cool-down, and sooner or later tank driver have to disengage to hide somewhere for 30 second. In that time he is vulnerable, and you could probably solo him in that time(if he don't know where you are, and you have him on plate).
Beside that, AV grenades are one of most successfully AV that can be easily fited on you dropsuit without heavy drawback. SL takes L slot, Forge Guns take way more then just weapon slot. Thats whey AV granades are perfect, you can easlly protect with them against waves of enemy troops.
SL have one more thing worth to mention, they screw a little bit with tank optics - if swarms are launch directly at tank, they generate smoke that hide shooter, of curse if tank driver is come he gone kill SL in time. Each AV weapon for tank driver is a threat, if he see swarms on air he don't know yet is it militia one or proto so he will try to counter them same each and every time with a high level of caution, with manse that he can turn on all his hardeners on and have problem becaous of it in next 60sec(armor). So it is not like that all AV is a crap. Even if you are using Militia stuff you have impact on high grade tanks.


It's BS or we are not playing in the same game. Yesterday I killed Railgun-Sagraris that engage me, with my Blaster-Madruger, at other match I die to 4guys with AV granades in some militia suit, is it sound's ok for you? None force people to skill-up they characters to use better AV stuff; AV granades and proxy mines are one of those that don't required plenty of skillpoints. If you are in tank, and you see crowd of people, do you engange them at close or not? If not you are good, because you realize that even capital ships in eve means nothing if you don't have fleet to protect them. All tanks need cover form his team-mates infantry, always when you are spawning tank it is not one men show. Yes you may end up with 30 frags on you score, but it's not because you are awesome and tanks are OP. Big part of pie go to people that in first place did a scout-job for you, telling you where are AV guys if they couldent kill them right away, or that did inform you where is enemy tank and where is he heading to..

This is quite hunestly one of the stupidest topics I have ever seen. HAVs are not OP. They rip balls off of people not equipped to kill tanks. This is as it should be. If you are tooling around with ARs, mass drivers, sniper rifles and HMGs then you are getting rolled for your lunch money.

The last three Sagaris marauders I got into it with I blew the kitten out of them in three shots with my forge gun. One took four because he had a proper tank fit, go figure. Im running full proto AV fits right now, and, militia tanks take one more shot than an LAV for me to execute.

Surya marauders are trickier but I kill more of them than escape because I took the time to learn how to kill them. Tanks are only overpowered if no one on your team is willing to deploy the proper tools to destroy them. The toolkit is there, and if you take the time to use it correctly you can become a holy kittening terror for vehicle drivers.

Further for you dinguses spouting lore, all the tanks need is a cybernetic neural uplink. Hydrostatic capsules were created to sustain capsuleers, but the only reason they exist is the neural burner used to transfer consciousness accurately is rediculously bulky. the capsules were built around it. With the advent of the DUST neural transfer implant, the hydrostatic capsule has been rendered obsolete. It, and the clone mechanics in EVE are due for a redesign.

Finally, 99% of AV in DUST 514 is militia grade. Somewhere, you people were spoon-fed the delusion that militia grade AV was simply good enough. It is if you have five or more militia AV concentrating fire, but if you want an HAV burned use proto AV. They don't shrug those hits off. They run or they die.

My tank costs 1mil and I have 4mil skill points in tanks, my tank is basically maxed out, "meta", whatever you want to call it....

Yes I average 20/0 in a lot of pubs...
So does a triple complex dmg stacked proto using AR assault...

Whats your point?

Someone with 4 mil sp in an AV fit with proto AV nades kicks the crap out of my tank..


Hence why tanks are rare..and no a soma or sica is not a tank, and they die to your newberry free militia AV fit. ;-)

The commitment needed to use an HAV effectively, both in ISK and SP as well as simple player skill, makes HAVs rare, but the ones you see and complain about do it to often enough that we've perfected it just like Imperfects pub stomp with their Proto AR builds...


So seriously, how are we HAVs op?
I need to not blow up for 4-5 games to just break even on it!

Your simply hating the fact that your Scissors doesn't beat Rock...next time roll paper.

Edit: That being said no we are not in pods in HAVS, just like you don't see an egg driving the LAV...PODs are used to drive spaceships in EVE because the normal crew for a Frigate to fly fully functional is in the dozens...

So no we HAVs are not tankers, unfortunately you cant make omelettes out of us after cracking us open with those damn OP AV Nades...sorry.

And a Tank in this day and age drives will 1-3 people, just like HAVs do, and yes gunners are important.

i think people should just stop being ignorant and train AV

furthermore CCP has better things to do than worry about this, such as new dropsuits, vehicles and maps...as well as fixing those damn dmg mods.