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Mithridates VI
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:34:00 -
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Considering how long many of us have been experiencing the [BUG] Kills/deaths stats "frozen" problem and that when asked "Are you able to say anything about whether there's any indication that the 'kills, deaths, warpoints not being tracked in skirmish' bug is possible to reverse or just repair going forward?" CCP Nullarbor replied: "It's possible but not sure whether it will happen. We are reviewing a lot of our data gathering tech right now." I'd like to get some feedback from the community about how they would feel about a leaderboard reset in the event that lost kills and deaths are not recovered after a fix.
I, personally, have rubbish stats because I spend a lot of time blowing myself up to test damage, etc, so I'm not posting this as a suggestion I'm invested in because it's to my personal advantage... but I am sure there are players who have been disadvantaged by this error and who care about tracking their WP, etc, compared to everyone else's so I'd like to see how people would feel about this.
My feeling is that the players who are already had the top will have no trouble returning to the top. It may be my limited imagination but I can't think who would be significantly disadvantaged by a reset, unless there used to be a way to kill en masse which has been patched... which would probably be further reason to do it. The only downside, to my mind, is that those counting total kills would have to start again, and it's probably nice to have those big numbers next to your name.
What say you? Are you guys pretty determined to keep the leaderboard as is, even though it may no longer be an accurate representation of comparative skill at killing and dying?
TL;DR: Would a reset of the leaderboard make you rage? |
Chris F2112
Killshot Corp
5
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:46:00 -
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I honestly would not care at all. The top of the leaderboard is in general not held by the best players, and, while stats are nice, I don't mind losing beta stats at all, especially to fix a bug. |
Draka Marintu
Like a Boss.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:46:00 -
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A kdr and wins loss ratio reset would make sense the kills board is fine there also needs to be a minimum of kills for the kdr stats on the leaderboards because of people killing 9 people and never playing again same goes for wins/losses
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
504
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:49:00 -
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Draka Marintu wrote:A kdr and wins loss ratio reset would make sense the kills board is fine there also needs to be a minimum of kills for the kdr stats on the leaderboards because of people killing 9 people and never playing again same goes for wins/losses
Black screen deaths say "what up?", as does skirmish. |
Indianna Pwns
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
18
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:43:00 -
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Leaderboards!!
lol, who cares. This games not about being top of leaderboards.
Right now there's nothing else to do other than compare E-peens, however when FW and planetary conquest drops leaderboards will mean nothing.
'B-b-b-but my k/d must be protected at all costs' I hear you say.
'Get on my level son' I say while suiciding my LAV of a cliff for ***** and giggles. |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
424
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:51:00 -
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Indianna Pwns wrote:This games not about being top of leaderboards.
That's what I always thought! |
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Mithridates VI
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:55:00 -
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GM Vegas wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:This games not about being top of leaderboards.
That's what I always thought!
It's my feeling too but there's no denying that some players feel strongly about their position on the leaderboard.
Not really my place to tell them the leaderboard doesn't matter any more than it's theirs to dismiss any other element of the game... so the thread is to take into consideration their positions.
If there's a definite split between "I don't care about the leaderboard" and "I do care and my stats are wrong" then it seems worthwhile to me to reset it. Mainly, what I'm looking for, is any expressions of "I care about my stats and don't want the leaderboard reset" and then a conversatsion can be had about whether more players are inconvenienced by no reset than by having one. |
Coleman Gray
RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention
91
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:58:00 -
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Perhaps when the full game comes out reset the leaderboards for a clean slate? by the time the full game comes out most corps will have full proto loadouts or above so trying to get your scores back upto what they was would be it's own challenge. |
Mithridates VI
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:05:00 -
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"Commercial Release" is a term which has been used by CCP previously and a status which I've been told doesn't apply yet.
That may be a good time for a reset, assuming that the label is only applied to the game once CCP are confident that nobody is going to get murdered by bugs or have their stats bug out. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
507
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:12:00 -
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Even if my KDR doesn't get reset, All those Grenade hugs were worth it if they pissed off an AFKer! |
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Sobriety Denied
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
497
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:16:00 -
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just record our kills in skirmish ffs...
more ways to **** off the community: cant get kills recorded, dropship grounded.. no metagame
thanks. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
608
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:19:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote:just record our kills in skirmish ffs...
more ways to **** off the community: cant get kills recorded, dropship grounded.. no metagame
thanks. I honestly could care less about the leaderboard but it sounds like a solid plan
Side note: Sob you left UAI....everyone does I guess. |
Gunlocke Baretta
Wraith Shadow Guards
0
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:23:00 -
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KDR is meaningless... lets see some personal isk loss vs isk loss caused(?). You get what I mean.. Cause that kitten is permanent.
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
608
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:29:00 -
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Gunlocke Baretta wrote:KDR is meaningless... lets see some personal isk loss vs isk loss caused(?). You get what I mean.. Cause that kitten is permanent.
KDR is especially not meaningless with PC. Clones are going to be expensive! |
Draka Marintu
Like a Boss.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.20 04:23:00 -
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Indianna Pwns wrote:Leaderboards!! lol, who cares. This games not about being top of leaderboards. Right now there's nothing else to do other than compare E-peens, however when FW and planetary conquest drops leaderboards will mean nothing. 'B-b-b-but my k/d must be protected at all costs' I hear you say. 'Get on my level son' I say while suiciding my LAV of a cliff for ***** and giggles.
My point about the leader boards is they track stats in a comptetive way which can be useful for recruitment purposes if I can look at someones kdr and its low and their war points are crazy high they're usually a logi or if their kdr is 6 or over they're probably a tanker it helps people keep track of who to lookout for and why |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
590
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Posted - 2013.04.03 22:15:00 -
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A poll has been added to DUST 411 on this.
[/shameless plug] |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
261
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Posted - 2013.04.03 22:19:00 -
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I'd rather just have them removed and moved to fansites by API. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
591
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Posted - 2013.04.03 22:24:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:I'd rather just have them removed and moved to fansites by API.
Or this, but IMO, a reset of the stats would be required to make those fansites accurate. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
589
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Posted - 2013.04.03 22:46:00 -
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Leaderboards need a nerf!
Leaderboards need a buff!
Both are true.
We should reset the leaderboards and at the same time get stats that actually matter, like ISK/death, WP/death, etc. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1312
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Posted - 2013.04.03 23:21:00 -
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i dont even know if i am not the leaderboards because I dont look or care. that said its part of the game and if certain players pride themselves on where they are then let them have it.
If want a reset you are bias and thats just it. It doesn't matter how you died of if stats are tracked or not. Play the damn game the leader board is just a reflection of your pub play/roles/gear/squad/skills.
Hell how many times did i die from spawning in on reds in ambush or how many times did i die from suicide nades. Yeah its fixed now (though spawning still has issues). what about my deaths getting stuck on terrain. How about when i dc'd and i still get a death. I could go on and on.
Good players would do so much better with kdr no doubt about that. That said, there is no reason too as we all went through the same things together.
lame
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DUST Fiend
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
2300
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Posted - 2013.04.03 23:28:00 -
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I think a leaderboard reset makes sense now that we're getting a whole new skill system and a real big update to the game.
Good players shouldn't care because if they weren't exploiting things, they're still going to top leaderboards, quickly (SP refund for good players? Lmfao, we're going to see some lethal builds right off the bat).
There have been plenty of exploits, so I think KDR right now is a pretty poor way to determine skill, especially since I'm fairly sure you can DC to "preserve" your stats, but I could be wrong.
A leaderboard reset would effect no one who isn't controlled by their ego. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
591
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Posted - 2013.04.03 23:48:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:i dont even know if i am not the leaderboards because I dont look or care. that said its part of the game and if certain players pride themselves on where they are then let them have it.
If want a reset you are bias and thats just it. It doesn't matter how you died of if stats are tracked or not. Play the damn game the leader board is just a reflection of your pub play/roles/gear/squad/skills.
Hell how many times did i die from spawning in on reds in ambush or how many times did i die from suicide nades. Yeah its fixed now (though spawning still has issues). what about my deaths getting stuck on terrain. How about when i dc'd and i still get a death. I could go on and on.
Good players would do so much better with kdr no doubt about that. That said, there is no reason too as we all went through the same things together.
lame
/thread Honestly, to remove accusations of bias, I'd be cool with my stats remaining kittened and other people getting a reset. The point is that people who prefer ambush are going to have accurate kills/deaths and players who play skirmish are going to be left behind. Some of those skirmish players likely care about their place on the kill leaderboards. Players who prefer skirmish or ambush haven't gone through the same things as each other. The leaderboard is not a reflection skirmish gameplay any more. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1317
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:49:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Free Beers wrote:i dont even know if i am not the leaderboards because I dont look or care. that said its part of the game and if certain players pride themselves on where they are then let them have it.
If want a reset you are bias and thats just it. It doesn't matter how you died of if stats are tracked or not. Play the damn game the leader board is just a reflection of your pub play/roles/gear/squad/skills.
Hell how many times did i die from spawning in on reds in ambush or how many times did i die from suicide nades. Yeah its fixed now (though spawning still has issues). what about my deaths getting stuck on terrain. How about when i dc'd and i still get a death. I could go on and on.
Good players would do so much better with kdr no doubt about that. That said, there is no reason too as we all went through the same things together.
lame
/thread Honestly, to remove accusations of bias, I'd be cool with my stats remaining kittened and other people getting a reset. The point is that people who prefer ambush are going to have accurate kills/deaths and players who play skirmish are going to be left behind. Some of those skirmish players likely care about their place on the kill leaderboards. Players who prefer skirmish or ambush haven't gone through the same things as each other. The leaderboard is not a reflection skirmish gameplay any more. Edit to add summary: Everyone suffers equally from broken game mechanics, this stat tracking issue disadvantages only a section of the playerbase to the advantage of the others, which is why I feel it needs to be addressed.
The bias comment wasn't directed at anyone specific you nerd. I play about equal skirmish and ambush and do better in skirmish. We all suffer from the same mechanics as you say though.
I guess to me this is "much ado about nothing" and just a needless point of contention to bring up
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
403
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:09:00 -
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Beers is it possible for u to post in a none hostile manner :-P not everything here is a personal attack on you:-P |
raineater
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:23:00 -
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i not mind a reset would like to see alot more stats than just k/d i like to see a wide range of stats like head shot deaths isk losses isk wins isks taken from others by kills and loss of equipment |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1317
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:41:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Beers is it possible for u to post in a none hostile manner :-P not everything here is a personal attack on you:-P
If i still had a toon in imperfects I would have kicked you a long time ago for being overly sensative vagina. how is that for non hostile
PS. Dear GM steady is my homie, don't ban me cause i got jokes |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
756
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:46:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Beers is it possible for u to post in a none hostile manner :-P not everything here is a personal attack on you:-P If i still had a toon in imperfects I would have kicked you a long time ago for being overly sensative vagina. how is that for non hostile Free Beers used Swords Dance! |
Muramasa Armads
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
4
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:22:00 -
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Thanks for the post Mithridates.
So, if I play Dust 514 for the next month and I do nothing but Skirmish it doesn't count stats wise? I suppose some matches would count because it does register if you kill all of the enemy team clones. But, most Skirmish matches end with the MCC exploding. That sucks. My best games have happened in the Skirmish mode and I like playing it more than Ambush. I usually donGÇÖt care about my KDR, but as I Heavy user I do use it to gauge my progress.
I personally have never paid too much attention to the leaderboards and it wouldn't matter to me if they reset them. But if this bug is that bad then maybe they should reset everyoneGÇÖs stats?
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syzygiet
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
3
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:54:00 -
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Muramasa Armads wrote:Thanks for the post Mithridates.
So, if I play Dust 514 for the next month and I do nothing but Skirmish it doesn't count stats wise? I suppose some matches would count because it does register if you kill all of the enemy team clones. But, most Skirmish matches end with the MCC exploding. That sucks. My best games have happened in the Skirmish mode and I like playing it more than Ambush. I usually donGÇÖt care about my KDR, but as I Heavy user I do use it to gauge my progress.
I personally have never paid too much attention to the leaderboards and it wouldn't matter to me if they reset them. But if this bug is that bad then maybe they should reset everyoneGÇÖs stats?
Ive played skirmish pretty much 99% of the time and have been capping out since the start of February, I had 1200 ish kills on feb 28 and I have around 1500ish kills last i checked. So yea your kill/death wont count unless you out cloned the opposite team playing skirmish which is rare.
I personally don't give a crap about the leaderboard, only use for me is to check someone's WP if they are owning my ass, whether it is skills or higher sp/better equipment. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
191
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:19:00 -
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stats are fake because FF is off.
none of this will ever matter.
only real part of it all will be planetary ownership.
everything else contains to much handholding or training wheels for the garbage gamers, ergo it's all fake.
so reset or not, none of the stats matter. or ever will unless FF is on in all modes all the time.
Peace B |
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
31
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:50:00 -
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Admittedly when Igot onto the Warpoints leader board it was kinda cool but as a beta I don't mind a stat wipe if it meant that we could have more/different stats that actually did record correctly for everyone.
So long as I got to keep my Isk, assets and SP I do not mind if they reset everything else on May 6th as we are basically working out our new builds for the next stage of the beta. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
612
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:55:00 -
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Free Beers wrote: The bias comment wasn't directed at anyone specific you nerd. I play about equal skirmish and ambush and do better in skirmish. We all suffer from the same mechanics as you say though.
I guess to me this is "much ado about nothing" and just a needless point of contention to bring up
:P Clarified my position because the bias comment could apply to my, not assuming it was directed at me.
Whether they should or not, a lot of people use the leaderboards. There have been competitions based on who is ranking highest at dust514stats.com, there probably will be again in future. I think that the fact that people use them like this makes it worthwhile to make them accurate.
It's not gamebreaking, but it's something worth mentioning IMO. |
Soraya Xel
Gentlemen's Foreign Legion Gentlemen's Agreement
51
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Posted - 2013.04.16 20:04:00 -
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I will be very ticked if they reset stats. It should represent as many as possible of the kills/deaths/war points on our final character. It should not be reset. People not doing enough to insist CCP rush a fix to this bug, and continuing to do Skirmish anyways should not be coddled. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1153
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Posted - 2013.04.16 20:09:00 -
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It's the leaderboards. The only people who care about the leaderboards, are the people at the top of the leaderboards. Everyone else realizes they are completely and utterly pointless and signify nothing more than someone's interest in topping the leaderboards.
So, reset them, change them, give the people at the top 40,000 freebie kills on their stats, it doesn't matter to me. |
Schalac 17
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.04.16 20:14:00 -
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K/D ratio in this game is pretty, but also pretty pointless as when I am running with a logi friend I throw my HMG suit into the fray all the time and die repeatedly only to be stabbed and start shooting again. That is how you take objectives. And in all honesty cubs would be back on the top anyway because I have played with him a bunch and his squad is pretty beast. So as long as I win games I'm not concerned about K/D ratio. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
275
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Posted - 2013.04.16 21:20:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Gunlocke Baretta wrote:KDR is meaningless... lets see some personal isk loss vs isk loss caused(?). You get what I mean.. Cause that kitten is permanent.
KDR is especially not meaningless with PC. Clones are going to be expensive!
Nano-Injector > KDR
KDR is indeed a meaningless statistic.
Personally, I couldn't give two kittens about the leaderboard other than to hope CCP doesn't waste much time on it. |
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