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Synthetic-Method SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.03.19 14:13:00 - [1] - Quote Unfortunately you will not be able to do this and maintain neutrality. For the same reason E-Uni does not hold sovereignty in the cluster Dust Uni will not be able to hold districts and have NAPs without meta being a factor and neutrality questioned in the long run. As for students learning about PConquest it will be up to their eventual home corp to teach them. Uni as an organization teaches new players about the game and is a stepping stool to another corp. Unless things have changed with Keldum stepping down otherwise the answer is obviously no Uni cannot own districts and maintain neutrality.
Synthetic-Method SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 2	Posted - 2013.03.19 15:47:00 - [2] - Quote I am concerned about allowing the community to influence this decision too much. Please reflect on the reasons the Uni no longer holds sovereignty in New Eden and allow the wisdom of past experiences be the major deciding factor. Though I commend you for including the community in this discussion. The fact is there is a reason the Uni does not hold sovereignty and I truly believe those same reason will apply to owning districts as well.
Synthetic-Method SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.03.19 16:11:00 - [3] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Synthetic-Method wrote: I am concerned about allowing the community to influence this decision too much. Please reflect on the reasons the Uni no longer holds sovereignty in New Eden and allow the wisdom of past experiences be the major deciding factor. Though I commend you for including the community in this discussion. The fact is there is a reason the Uni does not hold sovereignty and I truly believe those same reason will apply to owning districts as well. How would you finance them? What are your suggestions for them to generate income? Its easy to tell someone not to do something. Could you please provide alternatives? My comments are in regards to their ability to maintain neutrality and maintain the Uni culture. How they finance themselves in not my problem and has historically been through donations. Not tech moons or ratting or other forms of income that sovereignty would provide. PConquest is equall to sovereignty as far as I'm concerned and I do not believe the Uni can justify holding it here. Though there are great suggestions already posted such as having the uni participate in a mercenary like fashion.
Synthetic-Method SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 4	Posted - 2013.03.19 16:27:00 - [4] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Synthetic-Method wrote: My comments are in regards to their ability to maintain neutrality and maintain the Uni culture. How they finance themselves in not my problem and has historically been through donations. Not tech moons or ratting or other forms of income that sovereignty would provide. PConquest is equall to sovereignty as far as I'm concerned and I do not believe the Uni can justify holding it here. Though there are great suggestions already posted such as having the uni participate in a mercenary like fashion. If its not your problem, why are you here? Dust Uni is asking for help out here. As far as them them being mercs;- ever played a corp battle with them? You are just full of horse ****. Have you read the original post? Please calm down. As a graduate and supporter of E-Uni EvE side believe me I have their best interest at heart. So whether I am full of horse poop or not it does not invalidate my comments regarding them owning districts or the fact that I'm not the ceo or director of that corp and that it's on them how they choose to fund their endeavors. Back to topic. Mercenary style inlusions in PConquest are a great idea. Would allow limited access to corp battles without the danger of becoming known as a pet of some huge organization.
Synthetic-Method SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 5	Posted - 2013.03.19 17:56:00 - [5] - Quote This is a question for Kevall and 3 bird. Other than an income source, which is only a temporary problem due to lacking game mechanics, what does engaging in PConquering provide educationally? Are the core game mechanics going to be radically different (referring to the grunt experience)? If not cant things like comms etiquette, working as a team, and how to fill a specific role be taught outside of PConquest? In short what educational benefit is Dust Uni going to gain from controlling planets that cant be gained using squads in FW and pub matches at a newberies level of play?
Synthetic-Method SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 6	Posted - 2013.03.19 18:34:00 - [6] - Quote Alcare Xavier Golden wrote: The main thing we feel at the moment is that the tactics used in the new system will be different. Each side will have a different objective. The attackers will do everything in their power to extend the clock on the match while destroying as many clones as they can. The deffenders will be doing everything they can to destroy the enemy MCC or kill reds while maintaining as many clones as possible. The tactics used and the experience of the this type of battle, we feel, would be sufficiently different from a pub or FW match for us to be concerned about seeking the experience for students. Fair enough. So the next step is to determine if this justifies D-Uni owning districts or trying to get dunistas involved through other means. Both options have difficulties that must be ironed out. What is D-Uni currently leaning to and why?
Synthetic-Method SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 7	Posted - 2013.03.19 21:22:00 - [7] - Quote Synthetic-Method wrote: Unfortunately you will not be able to do this and maintain neutrality. For the same reason E-Uni does not hold sovereignty in the cluster Dust Uni will not be able to hold districts and have NAPs without meta being a factor and neutrality questioned in the long run. As for students learning about PConquest it will be up to their eventual home corp to teach them. Uni as an organization teaches new players about the game and is a stepping stool to another corp. Unless things have changed with Keldum stepping down otherwise the answer is obviously no Uni cannot own districts and maintain neutrality. Now that I'm at a computer and not on my phone I will post my main arguments against D-Uni holding Districts/Planets and give my feedback on an alternative. 1. This has the potential of being a repeat of history: No matter if you claim all income taken in will be used for buying skill books gaining this money through districts has the potential of generating distrust with the Uni. Also by creating a join venture with other entities makes this even harder to prove where the ISK is going. Example: The Big Blue (BLUE or TBB) was established as a neutral entity with the aim of providing unhindered access to 0.0 space. It was a NAGA social experiment that, contrary to rumors, was never intended as a cash generating venture. N.A.G.A. Corporation [NAGA] (founding member) Four Horsemen [LIH] (founding member) Eve University [E-UNI] (founding member) Royal Navy Fleet and Logistics Management [RNFLM] Stepstone [STEPS] (NAGA alt corp) B.L.E.E.D. Fatalix Inc. [FXI] Northern Empire [NEMP] Source: http://eve-history.net/wiki/index.php/Big_Blue 2. This causes an issue with Uni defined Neutrality: If D-Uni is dependant on other entities to help maintain its borders these entities conflicts become an interest of D-Uni. Example: A neutral corporation or alliance takes active steps to avoid entangling themselves in the affairs of others. This is accomplished by keeping recruitment open to a wide population, insisting on a corporate culture of helpfulness and various diplomatic efforts to demonstrate to other corporations and alliances our disinterest in their conflicts. Source: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Neutrality#Neutrality My feedback on how D-Uni can participate in P-Conquest: On the other hand I do agree with having D-Uni members participate in mixed squad engagements. Example: For reasons of neutrality, IVY members are not permitted in non-NPC nullsec, unless as part of a director authorized event, or lead by an ILN FC. It is suggested that members use the Autopilot avoidance system to prevent accidentally straying into NullSec. If you enter claimable nullsec you should contact a Director/and or Diplomat as soon as possible. Source: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_University_Rules Include Districts/Planets in this and this will allow any D-Uni member to participate in P-Conquest with the consent of Director and involved entity.
Synthetic-Method IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:45:00 - [8] - Quote REZ Synthetic-Method wrote: I am concerned about allowing the community to influence this decision too much. Please reflect on the reasons the Uni no longer holds sovereignty in New Eden and allow the wisdom of past experiences be the major deciding factor. Though I commend you for including the community in this discussion. The fact is there is a reason the Uni does not hold sovereignty and I truly believe those same reason will apply to owning districts as well. Just wanted to say I told you so. So now that you have first hand experience of what I'm talking about which is it gonna be? Open recruitment and training or PC?

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