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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:35:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:You see our dilemma.
Since the PC Dev blog it's been the elephant in room. How does a corp coming from a tradition of neutrality work in a game where there is nothing Neutral.
I'm sure there is a solution we just have find it. But I strongly feel that we should be transparent with the community with such an important matter.
The problem is that PC potentially is a large source of ISK for Dust Corps and we aren't going to be able to have a piece of the pie at the moment.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way but you guys are not yet ready for PODs. While it may make sense for you to have your own cloning facility to generate clones you will be an easy target.
However if we as a community can agree that no one will take your districts, then it would be fine. Officially Red Star will support you the best it can in this initiative because it feels that what you are doing is good for the community. The Dust community has to agree as a whole NOT to take your districts and support you if someone does take your districts.
I also think when it comes to FPS your training methodology needs some improvement. I would be happy to help you guys in any way I can. |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:45:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:Sextus Hardcock wrote:I suggest that you remain neutral, and do not take any Districts. Teach your students with Pubs, and later FW. Once they are competent, you can seek out smaller corps who need bodies for their own PCs. I agree with this, it will maintain your neutrality as long as you show no favoritism. Have a set fee per student for PCs that is open to anyone looking for people and have whoever is online take up those contracts, this would also benefit anyone who might have trouble fielding the full team they need. As far as I know few corps would have the renown or the size to fill such a role, small corps could possibly fill the PC slots of larger ones if they are short but unless corps take on smaller ones as fill-in alliances but then it is hard to know who is actually have decent and who isn't (let alone find them).
The main problem I see with this is recruits will be broke as kitten. If Dust University is to succeed, it needs venture capital funding. Owning districts and selling clones will help them achieve that.
If they are to train their recruits, fitting will become expensive and will become expensive fast. They either need high level donations or make their own income. And if you are training recruits they also need to be trained of various dropsuit levels and mods. Gets expensive fast. |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:50:00 -
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Synthetic-Method wrote:I am concerned about allowing the community to influence this decision too much. Please reflect on the reasons the Uni no longer holds sovereignty in New Eden and allow the wisdom of past experiences be the major deciding factor. Though I commend you for including the community in this discussion. The fact is there is a reason the Uni does not hold sovereignty and I truly believe those same reason will apply to owning districts as well.
How would you finance them? What are your suggestions for them to generate income?
Its easy to tell someone not to do something. Could you please provide alternatives? |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:53:00 -
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Alcare Xavier Golden wrote:Sentient Archon wrote: The main problem I see with this is recruits will be broke as kitten. If Dust University is to succeed, it needs venture capital funding. Owning districts and selling clones will help them achieve that.
If they are to train their recruits, fitting will become expensive and will become expensive fast. They either need high level donations or make their own income. And if you are training recruits they also need to be trained of various dropsuit levels and mods. Gets expensive fast.
And I'll admit, this is my main concern...that and exposure to the new mechanic...
Once POD starts I will help you guys with some donations. |
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:05:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Anyone acting like holding a district or two is somehow 'violating neutrality', is forgetting three things:
1) Dust 514 is not persistent like EVe online is. 2) There are plenty of ways to make a ton of ISK in Eve without holding any territory, while Dusts main source will be the districts. 3) holding ONE district is not going to affect anything so long as D Uni is strict about keeping it to one.
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:16:00 -
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Synthetic-Method wrote:My comments are in regards to their ability to maintain neutrality and maintain the Uni culture. How they finance themselves in not my problem and has historically been through donations. Not tech moons or ratting or other forms of income that sovereignty would provide. PConquest is equall to sovereignty as far as I'm concerned and I do not believe the Uni can justify holding it here.
Though there are great suggestions already posted such as having the uni participate in a mercenary like fashion.
If its not your problem, why are you here? Dust Uni is asking for help out here.
As far as them them being mercs;- ever played a corp battle with them?
You are just full of horse ****. |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:24:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Academy, College, and University then "conquer" their assigned "fixed" districts in staged crap battles with the Major Leagues. Did we just suggest the same thing at the same time?
This is a good idea. I think CCP should just assign 3-4 districts to DU and let them duke it out there. It will be a good source of income and practice for the students. |
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:33:00 -
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Alcare Xavier Golden wrote:I don't think we want to ask for favoritism from CCP..........that would nuke neutrality.....lol
Not if the community agrees to it. If the community agrees to you have 3-4 districts on your own I wont call that as favoritism. I would call it support. Again like I said it all depends on what the community agress upon. |
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:36:00 -
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Synthetic-Method wrote: Back to topic. Mercenary style inlusions in PConquest are a great idea. Would allow limited access to corp battles without the danger of becoming known as a pet of some huge organization.
They wont make it! Is it too hard for you to understand that it will be very hard for DU to actually get merc contracts? Fighting other mercs will just be expensive, more than its worth it.
This is Dust. Not Eve! Things are different here;- unless some corp/alliance pays them a shitload of money to take over an empty district.
They need their own playground. |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:38:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote: The school corps can pick their own planet and set of districts, declare their intention, and go at it. Those that support the schools can help regulate interference from the community. The schools evolved from the players and should be managed by the players.
The player generated content surrounding this looks really interesting. I can see rogue corps attacking a school but that would provide experience for them. If it becomes overwhelming then stronger corps could step in.
+1. Another good idea |
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:41:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:The key is that it couldn't just be Dust University. There would need to be two, or better yet, three "colleges" in order to ensure a good supply of battles within the "training" context. In addition, having a balanced trio would reinforce the neutrality of all of the colleges involved.
What about Bojo's? Correct me if I am wrong but you guys are also a training corp? |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:44:00 -
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Alcare Xavier Golden wrote:You don't think its feasible that university members could be used to fill holes in a corp match?
I would imagine that would depend on the size/power of the corp involved. If it's a big protofest then you're right...but if it's a smaller corp trying to maintain a footprint in New Eden...possibly we could help.
Yes. You do bring out an interesting point out here. Mercing for smaller corps vs smaller corps will work out for you. The payouts may be smaller but will still be profitable for you. |
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:04:00 -
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Well both of you have a very good concept. Trust me one of the biggest problems with our recruitment is we are very tough on requirements. There are so many potentials I cant take in because we don't have the time to train them. Between grinding ISK and SP and corp battling it leaves little or no time to baby sit potentials.
DU and Bojo's essentially remove the training factor for most corps. Heck you can even trade a merc for ISK. If you have potentials that would like to join Red Star send them over. We can negotiate a "transfer fee" for them. Its another way to make ISK. |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:13:00 -
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I have an idea for you guys;-
Identify say the top 10 mercs in your corp. Have them corp battle an established organization say CorpA. You can make it militia only gears or whatever. If the corp likes say MercA and want to hire him, check with MercA and see if MercA would like to join them. If MercA wants to join them set up a trade value for MercA and trade him out. If not do the same thing for another corp.
You can figure the clauses and details etc etc etc. This is another way you can make ISK.
Most mercs wont stay once they are done with the training. You may as well make some ISK out of it.
While this may raise some neutrality issues its just another thought. |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:16:00 -
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Sextus Hardcock wrote:Might I suggest that the leadership of DU (and indeed perhaps Ivy League) reach out to CEOs of the biggest corps out there. You don't necessarily need anything more than their assurance that their corp will support your plan to have a 'Training Planet'.
Indeed the street goes both ways. Provide quality training to prospective new Mercs and farm them out to big corps with the resources to use them and you will likely find those corps willing to provide ringers to protect your Districts from so called 'rogue' corps.
DU/EU fills a fundamentally necessary role in New Eden, the learning curve is exceptionally steep in the case of both games (sometimes I almost pity little redberries as I kill them two or three at a time.) A basic education and some mentoring is necessary for the majority of players out there who may be unwilling or unable to do their 'homework' and learn about this game.
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:19:00 -
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Sextus Hardcock wrote:Essentially you are 'selling' your education, by providing competent Mercs to established corps. Again as long as you don't favour one corp over another (perhaps bidding on mercs could take place) you shouldn't have a problem with neutrality.
Brilliant! +1000 |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 18:07:00 -
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Jetteh22 wrote:I don't think CCP would go for it and I really don't think this is the way to go anyways. It isn't "fair" to all of the other corps out there. Just because D-UNI and a couple of other bigger 'training' corps are known, I'm sure there are a few smaller ones that only have a few members and trying to start out. It wouldn't be fair for them to not get their own free districts.
Also, it would just open up a can of worms because if they were to get to the size of D-UNI they would want their own districts also and so on and so forth.
Welp if CCP doesn't do this kitten them. Let the community decide. Like Sextus pointed out;- reach out the the big name corps out there and ask for their support. If they agree, you are secured.
Quite honestly if smaller corps want to survive they better be able to field 16 players or join an alliance that could help them out. Either way they have no place owning a district if they cant defend it one way or the other. |
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Posted - 2013.03.19 18:22:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Besides, we wouldn't want any college to get branded with the BoB taint, deserved or not.
I don't get this. I would like to know more about it but it can be done offline. |
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