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Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:36:00 -
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Sextus Hardcock wrote:I suggest that you remain neutral, and do not take any Districts. Teach your students with Pubs, and later FW. Once they are competent, you can seek out smaller corps who need bodies for their own PCs. We've though about this too, but the same issue applies. If we're helping other corps, even small ones in their conquest efforts, how can we consider ourselves neutral? |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
97
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:41:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:The Dust community has to agree as a whole NOT to take your districts and support you if someone does take your districts.
I also think when it comes to FPS your training methodology needs some improvement. I would be happy to help you guys in any way I can.
I will even support 1-3 districts being assigned to only you guys so that you can train people. I've made a similar point in the boardroom. We'd either need near full support of the mercenary community thus reinforcing our neutrality, or this may not be feasible.
We also realize we have work to do regarding our training methodology (tool restrictions asside) and welcome help from the community in that regard as well! |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
97
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:45:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Alcare Xavier Golden wrote:Sextus Hardcock wrote:I suggest that you remain neutral, and do not take any Districts. Teach your students with Pubs, and later FW. Once they are competent, you can seek out smaller corps who need bodies for their own PCs. We've though about this too, but the same issue applies. If we're helping other corps, even small ones in their conquest efforts, how can we consider ourselves neutral? I think the suggestion was for your students to be true mercenaries in those cases, fighting for anyone and everyone who will give them a slot instead of for their own territory. In that way, your support is completely neutral from a diplomatic standpoint. "Oh, I'm sorry that you were upset that some of our students fought against you when Carebears, Inc. attacked you last night. If you'd like, I'd be happy to put together a squad for you guys tonight when they attack again."
I must admit.....a smile did slowly grow larger and larger as I read your suggestion...it might be a bear to manage, but that is very good idea.... |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
97
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:48:00 -
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Sextus Hardcock wrote:Alcare Xavier Golden wrote:Sextus Hardcock wrote:I suggest that you remain neutral, and do not take any Districts. Teach your students with Pubs, and later FW. Once they are competent, you can seek out smaller corps who need bodies for their own PCs. We've though about this too, but the same issue applies. If we're helping other corps, even small ones in their conquest efforts, how can we consider ourselves neutral? A good point. You would have to freely allow your students to fight for any side they wish (even students on both sides of a battle), and Dust U could take no compensation for it. Or establish a set fee for all comers...
...that really does make me feel mercenary...lol |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
97
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:50:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I cannot promise anything as I have no power in PRO, but I will talk with ContraBanJoe and see what he says. Ideally we can: 1.Provide protection for the few districts you own 2.Own the other districts on the same planet 3.Let our PRO newbies fight Dust Uni players so both get valuable training
This is mutually beneficial which is why I believe ContraBanJoe will help.
But again, I can't promise anything, its up to Joe on what to do, and all I can do is inform him of the option. We appreciate the offer Cat Merc...but the objective is community support, not PRO as bodyguard. We want to remain neutral and the flipside to that is we can't be tied too closely to a single non-educational institution. |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
97
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:51:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote: The main problem I see with this is recruits will be broke as kitten. If Dust University is to succeed, it needs venture capital funding. Owning districts and selling clones will help them achieve that.
If they are to train their recruits, fitting will become expensive and will become expensive fast. They either need high level donations or make their own income. And if you are training recruits they also need to be trained of various dropsuit levels and mods. Gets expensive fast.
And I'll admit, this is my main concern...that and exposure to the new mechanic... |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
97
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:54:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Indeed, another valid reason for going with the community-protected "Planet of Education" model is that the neutral training corps could fight against each other for control of "spare" districts as part of the training. This would enable Dust Uni and some others to be a bit like Red-vs-Blue in EVE.
For instance, if three training corps control a 12 district planet, each one could get three "fixed" districts and the other three could be "sacrificial" districts.
If this arrangement was enforced by the Major League corps/alliances, it would provide a useful training ground for all sides.
Potentionally challenging mission, particularly since we have so little information regarding district distribution, but this sounds like a very interesting model... |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
98
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:29:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Academy, College, and University then "conquer" their assigned "fixed" districts in staged crap battles with the Major Leagues. Did we just suggest the same thing at the same time? This is a good idea. I think CCP should just assign 3-4 districts to DU and let them duke it out there. It will be a good source of income and practice for the students. I don't think we want to ask for favoritism from CCP..........that would nuke neutrality.....lol |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
98
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:33:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:As its been suggested a couple of times. What is the general feeling then of the community of a Merc remaining neutral by fighting for anyone?
Would such a freelance corp still be seen as neutral and a corp that business could be done with as long as they were open about it? Being open is the key. Declare your position and post your rules. From what I understand the client will need to provide the squad leaders anyway. Since there is no means to pass ISK outside of a corporation at this point you could have a channel where squad leaders could come and ask for mercenaries and their pay would come from the normal match mechanics. Unless you specifically banned certain corps or alliances from this "merc bazaar" then it would be up to each student to provide their services. Basically, you would have a "looking for squad" channel. Once the game mechanics open up then methods of payment would have to be considered.
Oh, this idea is definately under consideration... |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
99
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:40:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Synthetic-Method wrote: Back to topic. Mercenary style inlusions in PConquest are a great idea. Would allow limited access to corp battles without the danger of becoming known as a pet of some huge organization.
They wont make it! Is it too hard for you to understand that it will be very hard for DU to actually get merc contracts? Fighting other mercs will just be expensive, more than its worth it. This is Dust. Not Eve! Things are different here;- unless some corp/alliance pays them a shitload of money to take over an empty district. They need their own playground.
You don't think its feasible that university members could be used to fill holes in a corp match?
I would imagine that would depend on the size/power of the corp involved. If it's a big protofest then you're right...but if it's a smaller corp trying to maintain a footprint in New Eden...possibly we could help. |
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Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
99
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:44:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Yes, but I'd like to think of us as a bit more one on one than dust uni Care to elaborate?
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Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
107
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Posted - 2013.03.19 18:26:00 -
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The main thing we feel at the moment is that the tactics used in the new system will be different. Each side will have a different objective.
The attackers will do everything in their power to extend the clock on the match while destroying as many clones as they can.
The deffenders will be doing everything they can to destroy the enemy MCC or kill reds while maintaining as many clones as possible.
The tactics used and the experience of the this type of battle, we feel, would be sufficiently different from a pub or FW match for us to be concerned about seeking the experience for students. |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
107
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The power blocs would agree to defend said planet from invaders while the owner of that planet provides the power blocs with fresh new recruits under the condition that no one power bloc is favored over the other. Just a thought...
D-Uni can provide the opportunity to all corps to recruit from the graduates or let the duni's naturally progress to other corporations; however, it is ultimately up to the merc himself to choose which corp he or she joins. Though, DUni itself may not show favoritism...excellent recruitment tactics may still result in more grads moving to one corp or alliance over another...
Basically we will only be able to offer equal SERVICE to corps (classes) and mercs (membership/classes) not necessarily equal product....because in the end the duni's are NOT our commodity to sell. We can not garantee ANYONE a stream of recruits. If the corp wants graduates they'll have to focus on recruiting, not that where not willing to help corps that are interested in recruiting it would be another equal opportunity service.
Everyone is welcome at our door and equally welcome to move on...we don't charge anybody on either side of the door. |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
111
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:30:00 -
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Sontie wrote:This is a beta.... so beta test the idea of D-U taking part in PC and see if that meets your goals. The problem...? The meta game is player driven...and we as players never build a beta solution |
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