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3 bird DUST University Ivy League 116	Posted - 2013.03.19 14:12:00 - [1] - Quote Figured as the thread is here id say my piece. To me D-Uni is and should always be a purely educational establishment that aims to serve the community by giving those new player to the game a place to come and learn the fundamentals of Dust. And to best fulfil that goal I believe it is best that D-Uni stays neutral in terms of war. But at the same time I feel that for D-Uni to not have a means of introducing students to P.C would be a failing on our part as P.C is going to be a very large part of DUST514. While I'm reluctant to speak for everyone in D-Uni I get the feeling that, to a greater or lesser extent everyone in D-Uni feels this way. And I'm sure through the course of this thread there will be many more members from D-Uni putting their opinions forward. This thread started because those of us on the board of directors and the CEO are conflicted by these same feelings. We talked about taking a minimal number of districts, or getting non-aggression pacts with corps, the idea of giving up on our primary goal of education and neutrality was rejected as quickly as it came up. But the honest truth is we don't know what to do. We want to do our best in serving the community, we want to remain a neutral corporation to provide a safe starting point for new players. We also want to be able to introduce these players to P.C and we are struggling to find a way to fulfil those goals. So the idea was brought up that we should get the opinions of the community to reassess how we can best serve it and now here we are. Asking you guys what you think. We aren't asking for non-aggression pacts, we aren't asking for a fully laid out plan. What we want is to hear your opinion on how you think D-Uni should go about C.P. It doesn't matter if your a CEO, a Director, a member of a corp or still in the NPC corp. Your still apart of this community and we want to hear what you think, even if you see us as a target of opportunity or if you want to support us we want to hear what you think. Anyway thanks for your time and I look forward to seeing how this thread turns out.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 117	Posted - 2013.03.19 14:27:00 - [2] - Quote Thanks Synthetic, Even with Keldum stepping down the core ideals he left with us will be maintained so there shouldnt be any worries there. As to your point if enough of the community feels like you, that we should leave P.C to the students eventual home corp that is exactly what we will do. so thanks for chipping in. Have a like (in fact I'm giving away free likes for every constructive post from a non-D-uni member but shhh don't tell )
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 117	Posted - 2013.03.19 15:08:00 - [3] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Kamiya Musume wrote: Non-Aggression pacts, or any other form of contract, cannot be considered impartial or neutral. I cannot see any way in which Dust Uni can legitimise holding any territory, or allowing, or otherwise facilitating another corp holding territory without ignoring their fundamental goals and values. I think you have painted yourself into a corner in this respect. +1 for asking the community, at least you can say you are thoroughly transparent. There is no true neutrality in New Eden. Ivy League already has their own list of reds and blues. They exist through diplomacy and suffer war on a regular basis. I think the question they are asking is *"does holding any territory make them look overly* aggressive?"** It certainly is one of the thing we are hoping to gain a better understand of. Personally we are all just as excited about P.C as the rest of you but we realise that our commitment to D-Uni comes first and foremost. Thanks for all the replies so far guys and keep them coming, we are reading them all and it is helping so thanks.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 117	Posted - 2013.03.19 15:19:00 - [4] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: The problem is that PC potentially is a large source of ISK for Dust Corps and we aren't going to be able to have a piece of the pie at the moment. I feel its also worth stating what we would use our isk income for, regardless of where it comes from (tax/P.C/donations) E-Uni has traditionally had a library of skill books that it give, freely to its members in core skills, as well as having Level 1 ships that come fully fitted for the purpose of classes. We intend to do the same with Skill books and Militia Tanks/DS and possibly even suits if the option becomes available to us. We also want to put any income towards advanced classes and possibly reimbursing losses in corp battles (read live action training) and holding community/corp events with prizes. My point here is that all D-Uni management is 100% voluntary. All Isk donated to the corp or earned through future means will be invested directly into improving the corp.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 117	Posted - 2013.03.19 15:26:00 - [5] - Quote Sextus Hardcock, how in gods name did you get get that past the filter Joking aside you raise a good point that we haven't really talk much about in corp so thanks for that. Keep the post coming guys we are getting a lot of help from this so thank you all.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2013.03.19 15:53:00 - [6] - Quote Sextus, I stand correct sir and I tip my hat to you. Sentient Archon, regardless what happens sir you just made me a very happy guy. I never thought for a second there would be a person so supportive of our cause. So thank you sir. As for improving our education we are currently working on a much more rigid training structure, although we have had a bit of a set back with the news that the current CB system will be removed we are managing to adapt ideas. But as with all things we would be more than happy to hear your ideas on FPS training although id ask that we keep this thread on topic. Feel free to talk to myself or Fox Gaden regarding education... or if you want post up a new thread on these forums, we are always looking for feedback and ideas.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2013.03.19 16:14:00 - [7] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Alcare Xavier Golden wrote: ... that and exposure to the new mechanic... This is something that must be considered. Even though only the leadership will be involved in managing districts they will need that experience in order to pass it on to their recruits. This is a relatively minor thing. What I am expecting in P.C is a completely different tactical objective. From what I read it sound like the attackers objective is killing as many clones as possible while keeping your own mcc alive the longest possible time. notice no focus on destroying the hostile MCC. Where as the defenders it will be the complete reverse, Primary target is the hostile MCC while attempting to keep as many clones as possible. If I'm right, or even close to it with that assessment (and that we will only really get to see once P.C is implemented) there will be 2 very distinct play styles and tactics used exclusively for P.C. It is that mentality and understanding I want us to be able to pass on to our students ideally before they move on to there home corp. I feel that failing to teach them this aspect of DUST would leave us passing on student that are not tactically aware or skilled for these fights. To my mind it would be like training students to fight PvE in EVE and then sending them off as PvP pilots. That would be a catastrophic failure on our part.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 120	Posted - 2013.03.19 16:43:00 - [8] - Quote Kev, your geek is showing again buddy We are Mercs not Mentats :P
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 120	Posted - 2013.03.19 16:54:00 - [9] - Quote If Bojo feels like adding to the discussion he is more than welcome to, he might have an idea that works that we at D-Uni have missed and even if not would be interesting to get his take on things. Having said that Bojo might not have the rigid view on neutrality that we at D-Uni have, If not it would certainly give him some extra breathing room in terms of P.C that are unavailable to us.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 120	Posted - 2013.03.19 17:10:00 - [10] - Quote Illuminaughty-696 thanks for taking the time to give some feed back, and we are just as surprised as you that this thread exploded to 5 pages in less than 4 hours Sentient Archon, thanks for the support, its nice to know that the work we are doing is helping out.

3 bird DUST University Ivy League 120	Posted - 2013.03.19 17:32:00 - [11] - Quote Sorry guys my CEO seems to have his geek showing again. grabs Kev and pull him aside Put it in your dam pants man! Now go CEO or something over there. walks back to on-topic, not Dune related conversation about D-Uni's possable involvement in P.C CEO's these days
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.19 18:39:00 - [12] - Quote Synthetic-Method wrote: This is a question for Kevall and 3 bird. Other than an income source, which is only a temporary problem due to lacking game mechanics, what does engaging in PConquering provide educationally? Are the core game mechanics going to be radically different (referring to the grunt experience)? If not cant things like comms etiquette, working as a team, and how to fill a specific role be taught outside of PConquest? In short what educational benefit is Dust Uni going to gain from controlling planets that cant be gained using squads in FW and pub matches at a newberies level of play? As far as I can tell from the Dev blogs, and mechanics they have published, there will be tactics used only in P.C. The Attackers job will be focused purely on kill as many clones as possible while keeping there MCC alive as long as possible. where as the Defenders objective will be killing the hostile MCC as fast as possible while keeping as many of there own clones alive as possible. It will take a different level of focus and objective awareness than any other form of combat available to DUST514. We will be teaching basic skills tactic in other matches but P.C will be where we polish of our students and hand them over to you guys. So will the grunt experience be vastly omg wtf different, no. But without having a tactical understanding of the objective based game play (I mean above and beyond capture C) that will be the focus of P.C they wont be able to slip into there chosen corp without further training on the basics of tactical awareness. If after we say we have finished training them you guys still have to do more training surly we haven't finished doing our job?
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.19 18:54:00 - [13] - Quote Synthetic-Method wrote: Alcare Xavier Golden wrote: The main thing we feel at the moment is that the tactics used in the new system will be different. Each side will have a different objective. The attackers will do everything in their power to extend the clock on the match while destroying as many clones as they can. The deffenders will be doing everything they can to destroy the enemy MCC or kill reds while maintaining as many clones as possible. The tactics used and the experience of the this type of battle, we feel, would be sufficiently different from a pub or FW match for us to be concerned about seeking the experience for students. Fair enough. So the next step is to determine if this justifies D-Uni owning districts or trying to get dunistas involved through other means. Both options have difficulties that must be ironed out. What is D-Uni currently leaning to and why? At the moment that's impossible to say, that not me being hush hush about it its just we all have different opinions internally so we cant say 1 way or the other. What we are thinking of doing is letting this thread run its course. From the information and opinions we have gained here the director will all individual create a plan for D-Uni relating to P.C. These plans will all be presented to the rest of the directors at a meeting we will be having shortly and we will be looking for common ground. things/areas/ideas we all agree on and from that we will build a proposal. That proposal will be vetted by Ivy league and if they are happy with it. that is the proposal we will go with. So as to what way D-Uni is learning we really cant say as until we have a proposal written up we just don't know. Internally we have people who would like to avoid P.C to remain truly neutral, some who would like to explore the possibility of a coalition with other educational corps, those who would like to try and hold a few district independently, those that like the idea of hiring out merc's. pretty much every idea in the thread someone has thought was a good idea so yeah, impossible to say. If the above fails to create a workable proposal it will be up to Kev to decide, when it comes down to it is his call anyway. While I cant promise this out right, there seems to be a lot of support for keeping our P.C plans open and transparent to the community. You guys have been so supportive in this thread of both D-Uni as a corp and giving us idea that we feel it is the very least we can do. Thanks guys and please, keep the idea and opinions coming.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.19 19:33:00 - [14] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I would say it's best to take a whole planet with the least amount of districts on it and just stick with it and have no further expansions. Even though New Eden is a harsh galaxy, there have been cases where the power blocs had a mutual agreement so long as it benefits them. The power blocs would agree to defend said planet from invaders while the owner of that planet provides the power blocs with fresh new recruits under the condition that no one power bloc is favored over the other. I'm just throwing an idea out there. Not sure if this is a good idea or a bad one. No such thing as a bad idea.... okay so using a dropship like a canon ball, aiming it at a tank, jumping out and hoping it hit/kills the tank wasn't a smart idea but it was fun.... sorry I digress. The problem we have with this model is that no matter how you do it it looks like favouritism from the outside. If your not one of the power blocs we have an agreement with, then you are that much less likly to get D-Uni grads entering your corp. Not because we want our guys to go to a specific corp/alliance in return for the protection, but just through familiarity and interaction. If our guys talk to you, see you or interact with you more than any other corp it perfectly reasonable for them to want to join your corp when they graduate from D-Uni. But from the outside it looks like we are only training mercs for those surrounding power blocs. Any agreement of this nature would have to completely voluntary on all sides.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.19 21:56:00 - [15] - Quote I remember the big blue, I thought they were mad trying to do what they were doing and I do see the lesson your trying to point me to. It definitely gives us something else to consider. learning from history is important and shouldn't be ignored but that doesn't mean we wont be exploring the option of a coalition. As we explore the possibility of a coalition we will be looking closely at why The Big Blue failed and what lessons we can learn from it, and see how those lessons apply to Dust. As for worries on traceability of finances I don't think it would be an issue to post monthly audits. I say that but we would also need the accounting facility that we have in EVE, in Dust all we have at the moment is a wallet total. No audits, no incoming no out going just "you have X amount of isk" If D-Uni goes bankrupt people will know about it from the members soon enough so I have no problem showing of our pitiful corp balance XD Kev and others might think differently though but its something worth considering in terms of accountability of income.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.19 22:04:00 - [16] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: DU would be better off waiting for their to be more districts before attempting to get in on the ground level of something so hotly contested as this by so many people. You make a very good point. at the very least it might be a good idea to see how fast the 250 districts available are claimed.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.20 17:09:00 - [17] - Quote First off guys, sorry iv not been back to this thread for a while, had to sleep, and work, and do all that annoying life stuff that gets in the way of Dust :P Anyway there are 2 posts I spotted like the one below from Mithridates that ill answer in as much detail as I can but first a short message To Bojo. I, nor any of us at D-Uni have seen you as an enemy, fact is we have a lot of respect for you. where as we have had the support, and guidance of a pre-existing educational corp (EvE-Uni) you have built up everything you have from scratch. that alone is commendable. I can also say if we start exploring the idea of a coalition seriously you will be one of the first people we get in touch with. I can think of nothing better than D-Uni and the Bojo's shooting it out against each other on a daily basis :P Anyway back to Mithridates post. Mithridates VI wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: The problem is that PC potentially is a large source of ISK for Dust Corps and we aren't going to be able to have a piece of the pie at the moment. I'm a bit put off by this being framed as "we want our piece of the pie." I also agree that participating in the mad scramble for territory on release of PC is not a workable strategy for the university. I'd be interested in what the larger corps think about taking one or two uni students along in their corp battles. My main thought, though, is how exactly you would teach the finer points of planetary conquest without attempting to expand/defend your territory. The smaller scale details of a planetary conquest battle sounds very much a skirmish, while the elements of PC which are specific to only that area of gameplay... are on a scale which cannot be practically explored without actively engaging other conquerors in combat. Quote: There is little doubt that DUST University needs to take place in planetary conquest in order to provide that experience to our student body. I have some doubts. Can you please elaborate on why you require these districts? Quote: DUST University also needs a revenue stream other than corp member donations in order to meet some of our training goals. An agreement not to attack your territory amounts to sponsorship from larger corporations. If the requirement to own a planet cannot be justified, why not seek direct sponsorship from the same entities that you want to allow you to coexist with them in PC? "we want our piece of the pie." Honestly this is what Kev(CEO) is like when he is giddy from a sugar high. The directors were have a serious talk about P.C, eventually I proposed we ask the community, then Alcare agreeing with me wrote up a draft post (key word there is 'draft) for us to review/modified before we posted it. Before we had time Kev posted the thread for you guys to see with the above title, its the same sugar high that let his geek show last night, I'm sorry about that. But I can say hand on heart while the title might be light-heartedly we are not taking it as such. teach the finer points of planetary conquest without attempting to expand/defend your territory. This is one of the thing we have to consider. it is also the reason we like the idea of holding a small planets worth of district with other training corps. Each Training Corp holds 1 or 2 district as a permanent base with at least 1 empty district between them and the nearest Training Corp. These empty district can be used to train both attacking and defending against the other training corps under prearranged terms. So Training Corp A attacks the empty district currently controlled by Training Corp B, Training Corp B gets to practice Defending and Training Corp A get to practice Attacking, Training Corp A wins and now holds the district. next time it is training corp B's turn to attack. This way both training corp alternate attacking and defending, the districts assigned as training corps permanent base never gets attacked by another training corp. No expansion, no defending home district. Just constant flux of prearranged districts for the purposes of mutually beneficial training. There would be a lot of details to work out for it to stand a chance of working. but its an option we are considering. I have some doubts. Can you please elaborate on why you require these districts? I, as well as other directors have explained the reasons in this thread previously in greater detail than I will now. Essentially it comes down to the change in play style needed to effectively work in P.C as a grunt. why not seek direct sponsorship We believe that P.C will be sufficiently different from any other form of battle currently or soon to be in game that it justifies specific training and personal student experience. It is worth mentioning that our primary focus is education, not income. any income we gain from any revenue stream, current or future will be used in its entirety to improve the quality and easy of our education programs. Sponsorship would actually be against our key objective, damage the reputation of D-Uni and cause the standard of education we can provide our students to drop. So at no point will we ever be seeking donations from corps or player outside of D-Uni. Hope that helps answer your questions Mithridates.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.20 17:30:00 - [18] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Hello zeek1227 zeek1227 here CEO of Blitkrieg Co. (No you don't know us we have like 25 people) Anyway I guess I haven't really been following you guys (I have heard of you but assumed you were a feeder Corp or something) and after reading this post was curious as to what you do exactly? Is it training for your own Corp or for anyone? What's is the curriculum? How is it profitable? Hey Zeek, thanks for posting. First of don't belittle yourself. When I first started playing EvE I ran a mining corp of around 25-30 people at its peak so i know what its like to run a small corp, in comparison to the large corps that everyone is talking about it might seem small and insignificant to you but don't for a second think that what you have achieved isn't commendable. Be proud of your accomplishments and be proud of your mercs. Now as for your questions ill try and answer them to the best of my ability in order. D-Uni is a corp dedicated to taking in the new player coming to dust that are looking for a place to learn the game in a friendly, zero pressure environment. We offer training (which until mid April is likely to remain forum/ word of mouth/ squad training based) in everything from UI, fittings, tactics, leadership and even basic FPS skills for those who dust might be the first experience of FPS. In short, we train new players so that when the enter the community at large they are better informed in all aspects of dust saving other corporations time, expense and hassle of training up there own new players. We do not train students for a corp or an alliance. Students are free to leave when ever they like and join what ever corp they wish. we do not advice them, point them or in any way guide there choice of corps on leaving D-Uni. The most we do in this aspect is advice them to squad up with people from their chosen corp before they join to see if they get along with them socially and if there playing styles mesh. We are still working on the structured curriculum and should have new in this regard made public mid April, just after fanfest. Until then it will remain a very personal 1 on 1 tuition, normally instigated by a student asking a question. How is it profitable.... it's not. We don't 'sell' students, we don't demand students donate isk, we don't have any revenue stream at the moment that isn't 100% voluntary in both amount donated and if you donate at all. D-Uni is staying afloat purely on donations from D-uni members. So put simply it is not profitable, at all. We are running at a loss. Hope that helps answer your questions Zeek and thanks for posting.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.20 17:35:00 - [19] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: An option: make courses with entrance fee used to purchase a genolution pack on splinter corp. The trainees can manage it and learn, when it dies course is over. Certain mercenary outfits can be used to liberate a district for you - if you are interested, we can work out deals later on I'm sure (though I won't be making calls like this personally). Thanks for the offer Trollsroyce but even asking a merc corp such as yourselves to attack another corp regardless of intent or if the action was carried out would be a grouse violation of our neutrality policies that the directer or member who asked you would likely be dismissed instantly. That said I do very much appreciate the support your offer shows so thank you kindly for that.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.20 17:40:00 - [20] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I'll be in touch with the Dust Uni leadership to discuss. The service that Eve University and, hopefully, Dust University provide to the community warrants some thoughtful discussion. Kain, I greatly appreciate the offer but it is worth stating that we are still discussing our options internally and as such any talk with us at this stage would be flimsy at best. That's not to say don't get in touch but just informing you that we are not ready for serious discussion with outside corps. Also don't believe I thanked you for you grenade tip on twitter, works perfectly. (what even I get bummed at AFK'ers in the MCC )

3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.21 01:06:00 - [21] - Quote Hey again Mithridates You raised a lot of good points and a solid argument so congratulations on that. I always like it when someone says something that forces me to stop and think, and potentially re-evaluate my position on something. As you can Imagine I'm loving this thread then. Income As for the income stream this boils down to perspective. Mine being that in this situation the community would be supporting the work we are doing at D-Uni and giving us the tools to do our job that much better, the income generated from that isn't even part of my thought process, its an after thought. Where as yours is, as you say, amounts to community sponsorship. And nether of us are wrong. Just our priorities are different, you focus in on the income, I focus in on the tools and the educational advantages. Education You made 2 points here that id like to address independently so here goes... Grunt Experience You put forth the idea that anything that could be learnt on a grunt level could be taught in Skirmish map, and i see your point but its flawed, not in as much that your wrong... let me explain. If we teach say the attacking strategy in a Pub Skirmish Match, we would be able to tell them to focus on Killing clones, and they would learn how to kill clones more effectively. But the opponent your playing against wouldn't be playing the same game as you. They would not be attempting to counter your tactic because they don't apply directly to pub matches so the random red pubber can still win by ignoring your focus on kill count and focusing on the objective of a pub match. If you opponent is not playing the same game as you, they wont counter you, your guys wont learn against an opponent that is focused on stopping them. What the students will learn to do is kill pubbers playing a pub match. To my mind that is like trying to teach someone to drive a car by getting them to ride a bike, its got wheels, and its got gears, its got indicators and an ignition. It has a lot of the individual components that you also find in a car but its not a car, its a motorbike. Add to that, training for P.C would be the equivalent to a university education (College for you yanks) where by we take all the skills you have learnt and polish it all together, everything from your chose of weapons to your core fps skills to vehicle combat to your team play to your tactics and field awareness. It's not just another lesson on our curriculum its a place to finish of our students. Add to that the increased communication between the involved educational corps, sharing of information, teaching practices and the opportunity to have a direct comparison of teaching practices. it would be a hot bed of education. the ideas and minds brought together through it would change in game education. give me a tingly feeling just thinking about it. Management Experience You stated quite correctly that the most interesting part of P.C is the large scale strategy aspect of it. The choice of abandoning district to reinforce others etc and this is where there will be new mechanics to learn and again your right. But the large majority of students... if any at all will not be leaving D-Uni and jumping into a management role inside another corp where these mechanics are available to them. Teaching these mechanics has little to no use to the student leaving D-Uni so we have no intention of teaching them. We might have a basic 101 of P.C management but that would be a standalone thing that required no practical tuition. we would do that for the community to help smaller corps looking at getting into P.C so they have a better idea of what they are jumping into and how the mechanics work. but tactics on this scale are well beyond that which we will be teaching at D-Uni. Tactics on that kind of scale, if there is demand for it we might ask members of the community who are experienced in P.C to that level to write guest articles or something of that nature. But D-Uni just wouldn't be able to do it, as you point out without actively engaging in P.C it would, at best, be presumptuous and at worst just plain arrogant and misguided. So no, D-Uni would have no intention of actively campaigning in P.C to experience and/or teach tactics on that scale. Dear god have I really spent so long writing so much for what could have been a much simpler response... sorry Mithridates think I got carried away there. having read it through again I cant even cut it down and simplify my point so sorry for the gigantic wall of text.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:56:00 - [22] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Don't forget friendly fire. No FF in pubs. I keep forgetting about that myself, going to be such a game changer. Personally I'm equal parts excited and scared about FF. Excited because its going to make the P.C gameplay just that much more intense and squad co-ordination is going to be insane and scared because, I know I'm going to end up killing my own team and they will be killing me. Still looking forward to it though!
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 122	Posted - 2013.03.21 03:53:00 - [23] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana , I realised the point you were making and it is so blindingly obvious that I didn't feel I needed to make it clear. Failing on my part there. Mithridates, Income I do see where your coming from with the income. And I'm reluctant to continue that line of debate as its beginning to feel like your goading me. That's not to say that if you bring up a new point I wont answer it, of course I will but at the moment your point has not changed and so neither has my response. Arena Matches As to the Arena, unfortunately we don't know enough about when this content will be added to Dust or how it will work in terms of combat, it could be a short time after P.C is implemented or it could be years after. It's fair to say that when it is introduced and we know more about it we will re-evaluate our training systems and see if they would be improved or made more economical by, for example withdrawing from P.C and replacing it with the Arena matches. Or even if the Arena Matches are substantially different from Pub Matches and P.C matches if we need to include them in our curriculum. Withdrawal from P.C In short, hell yes. If the mechanics were introduced that allowed us to teach the skills needed in P.C to a satisfactory standard without being involved in P.C and those mechanics did not involve substantially more management time or unreasonable expenditure then good god yes we would withdraw. This thread came about because of Ivy League's and subsequently D-Uni's neutrality policies putting D-Uni in an uncomfortable situation that we needed community help and guidance resolving. If we decided to enter into P.C in any form be it coalition, independently, or in a mercenary capacity using other corps battles to train our merc (unlikely) and at a later date we had the option to do the same training we would withdraw without a doubt. How we would do it.... probably remove assets, liquidise funds and post publicly on these same forums that we have removed from P.C and the district that we currently own are up for grabs, who ever gets first gets the district. would be a very public affair with the idea being that it is as if we had never been there and the land had just been left unclaimed since P.C implementation. About as fair and unbiased as it gets in New Eden. That or if the ability to trade ownership of district had been implemented we might consider hosting some sort of event and use districts as prizes, something silly like LAV races
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 123	Posted - 2013.03.21 04:04:00 - [24] - Quote Also worth saying iv got a lot of respect for Cerebral Wolf Jr, he is the only merc who has posted here being honest that his corp would see us as a target of opportunity. I don't doubt for a second there are many others like him who haven't posted. So thanks Cerebral.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 123	Posted - 2013.03.21 04:24:00 - [25] - Quote HA awesome gbghg, I always enjoy playing against you guys, every small push, hell some matches even every kill feels like a massive victory our end
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 123	Posted - 2013.03.21 09:15:00 - [26] - Quote Torr Wrath Thanks for the feed back, I'm literally about to walk out the door for work and i will no doubt edit this post to give you a full reply. but I will say now that I am personally backing the idea of holding out to see just how hotly contested P.C is and see if there ARE and quite planets to work on. But yeah edit and full reply coming later. Thanks buddy
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 124	Posted - 2013.03.22 22:24:00 - [27] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Quote: Sponsorship would actually be against our key objective, damage the reputation of D-Uni and cause the standard of education we can provide our students to drop. So at no point will we ever be seeking donations from corps or player outside of D-Uni. I donGÇÖt think that 3 bird worded this quite right, considering that our counterpart EVE University is a charitable organization that runs partly on donations. I think what he meant to say is that D-University will not treat large donors any differently than the rest of the community. My bad and Fox is correct, I should have said at no point will we be seeking sponsorship from corps. Donations of a completely voluntarily nature are a different thing altogether. And even then we wont be seeking them, ether they will come to us or they wont. Sponsorship suggest a return in some way, be it advertising, close diplomatic ties or some way of gaining trained students. Donations suggests voluntarily giving money to support a cause with no personal return and while remaining anonymous.

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