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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.18 06:57:00 -
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I'm having trouble deciding which suit to wear
My A -Series stats are:
CPU 287/291
PG 51/52
Shield 257
Armor 192
Stamina 150
Stamina Recovery Rate 15.00
Shield Recharge rate 27.25
Armor Repair Rate 3.00
Light Weapon Multiplier 1.10
Movement Speed 5.00
Sprint Speed 7.00
Modules: 2 complex shield extenders, 1 Light complex damage modifier, GEK, SMG, Locus Grenades, Nano Hive , 1 Enhanced Armor Repairer, and a Basic CPU Upgrade.
Total Cost: 75,440 Isk
Total EHP: 449
My Type-II stats:
CPU 240/247
PG 40/41
Shield 291
Armor 115
Stamina 150
Stamina Recovery Rate 17.25
Shield Recharge rate 27.25
Armor Repair Rate 3.00
Light Weapon Multiplier 1.10
Movement Speed 5.10
Sprint Speed 7.14
Modules: 1 complex shield extender, 1 Light complex damage modifier, GEK, SMG, Locus Grenades, Nano Hive , 1 Enhanced Armor Repairer, and Enhanced Basic CPU Upgrade.
Total Cost: 66,60 Isk
Total EHP: 406
These are some relevant skills:
Circuitry lvl 4
Combat Engineering lvl 5
Shield Boost Systems lvl3
Shield Control lvl 0
Shield Enhancements lvl 4
Field Mechanics lvl 2
I plan to raise Field Mechanics to lvl 3 Tommorrow and then work on getting some points into shield control.
Anyways, what I want to know is which suit gives me more survive-ability and does the faster speed and shields of the Type-II make up for the somewhat lower EHP compared to the A-Series? My Type-II has yet to really fail me, except when it comes to lasers, in which case I may as well be wearing paper.
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GetShotUp
Arrogance.
90
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:06:00 -
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Man, you need to work on that shield control ASAP. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:09:00 -
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GetShotUp wrote:Man, you need to work on that shield control ASAP.
I know, I kept putting it off 
Edit: Question, does Shield Control take modules into account, or just the suits base shields? |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:12:00 -
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They both look idenical to me in the grand scheme of things,you'll still get two shot from a shotguns either way and the differnce between the two is what 1-2 ar bullets?
type ll for the long run |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
382
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:12:00 -
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I see no reason to go into the type A with the core skills that you have. Type II, assault B, vk.1 are shield tanking fits... and your core skills are in this direction. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:13:00 -
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A-series with 3 shield extenders. What do you think??? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:15:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:They both look idenical to me in the grand scheme of things,you'll still get two shot from a shotguns either way and the differnce bewtween the two is what 1-2 ar bullets?
Btype for the long run
Ehh, ARs don't kill me all that much. It's mostly lasers that give me problems, and I'm assuming flux grenades though I have yet to actually get hit by one.
And yeah, B-type FTW! |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
489
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:15:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:A-series with 3 shield extenders. What do you think???
Too much PG |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:17:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:A-series with 3 shield extenders. What do you think???
i see no reason for shield extenders unless they are complex, just my opinion. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:31:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:A-series with 3 shield extenders. What do you think??? i see no reason for shield extenders unless they are complex, just in my opinion.
Hell obviously use complex lol. |
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WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:32:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:[quote=lowratehitman][quote=WyrmHero1945]A-series with 3 shield extenders. What do you think???
i see no reason for shield extenders unless they are complex, just my opinion.[/quote |
lowratehitman
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:35:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:A-series with 3 shield extenders. What do you think??? i see no reason for shield extenders unless they are complex, just my opinion. You have mentioned 2 obvious options. He'll obviously go B-Series and use complex lol.
if you are running assault... B is always a comfortable spot to get and than touch up on the core skills, but some go straight to proto and than do the touching up. Its a little more expensive, but the proto should have been my route. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
489
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:39:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:I see no reason to go into the type A with the core skills that you have. Type II, assault B, vk.1 are shield tanking fits... and your core skills are in this direction. Dust 514 : Assault B Suit Build And You ! http://youtu.be/FjcxxKuXzcADust 514 : How To Build A Type II Assault Suit http://youtu.be/jRJ1NtbmEls
Really wish I had seen these before I blew my starter SP on trying to make a heavy fit -_-
"Heavies are easy mode" they said... |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
46
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:40:00 -
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The grind till B-Series is a long one. A-Series is a difficult choice since Type-2 is so good. I'm having this situation atm same as him. B-Series is a good stop to start leveling those passive skills (sharshooter, shield control, etc.) |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
489
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:44:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:The grind till B-Series is a long one. A-Series is a difficult choice since Type-2 is so good. I'm having this situation atm same as him. B-Series is a good stop to start leveling those passive skills (sharshooter, shield control, etc.)
I only leveled up to A-series so I could have the glowing eyes in the War Barge... I just started playing around with the fitting possibilities today though, so far it seems about the same. Definitely have to work on them core skills though... |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
334
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Posted - 2013.03.18 08:14:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:I'm having trouble deciding which suit to wear
My A -Series stats are:
CPU 287/291
PG 51/52
Shield 257
Armor 192
Stamina 150
Stamina Recovery Rate 15.00
Shield Recharge rate 27.25
Armor Repair Rate 3.00
Light Weapon Multiplier 1.10
Movement Speed 5.00
Sprint Speed 7.00
Modules: 2 complex shield extenders, 1 Light complex damage modifier, GEK, SMG, Locus Grenades, Nano Hive , 1 Enhanced Armor Repairer, and a Basic CPU Upgrade.
Total Cost: 75,440 Isk
Total EHP: 449
My Type-II stats:
CPU 240/247
PG 40/41
Shield 291
Armor 115
Stamina 150
Stamina Recovery Rate 17.25
Shield Recharge rate 27.25
Armor Repair Rate 3.00
Light Weapon Multiplier 1.10
Movement Speed 5.10
Sprint Speed 7.14
Modules: 1 complex shield extender, 1 Light complex damage modifier, GEK, SMG, Locus Grenades, Nano Hive , 1 Enhanced Armor Repairer, and Enhanced Basic CPU Upgrade.
Total Cost: 66,60 Isk
Total EHP: 406
These are some relevant skills:
Circuitry lvl 4
Combat Engineering lvl 5
Shield Boost Systems lvl3
Shield Control lvl 0
Shield Enhancements lvl 4
Field Mechanics lvl 2
I plan to raise Field Mechanics to lvl 3 tomorrow and then work on getting some points into shield control.
Anyways, what I want to know is which suit gives me more survive-ability and does the faster speed and shields of the Type-II make up for the somewhat lower EHP compared to the A-Series? My Type-II has yet to really fail me, except when it comes to lasers, in which case I may as well be wearing paper.
Core skills trump all. For me when starting a character it's always basic weapon to lvl 1, sharpshooter to 3, mechanics to 5, shield control to at least 4 before anything else. Of course shield control has several prerequisites which makes it harder to get into, but it is very well worth it. You will be glad that you put everything else on hold for them. I have shield control at 4 right now and my Type-II has 401 shields when equipped with 2 complex shield extenders.
And as for your question, shield control and mechanics are both based off of the suit's base HP, so mods are not factored into the bonus.
I suggest you stick with the Type-II if you play a lot of CQC, and A-Series for ranged encounters. The A-Series strafes slower, so those face-to-face encounters are a lot more difficult in it, but at range the A-Series shines because lasers are less effective vs armor (at a distance, a shield fit gets melted in a heartbeat by lasers) and suits with less shields have a lower profile, so you don't show up on the enemies radar as much. By playing in this way you are also at a distance from mass drivers which drop armor fast, as well as HMG's, shottys and other high damage/low range weapons. I use the A-Series for laser fits, sniping, burst AR's and bombing runs (ie - using an assault mass driver while situated in high altitude areas for raining rounds for area denial on objectives).
And for fitting the A-Series, I recommend you drop the damage mod and put on another extender, switch the enhanced armor repair for a basic, and toss on a basic plate (you should have the CPU/PG to fit that). And if you are any good with burst AR variants, I suggest you switch to it when in the A-Series. It has more range than the basic AR, so you can be further away and still lay down some decent damage. Also, I recommend upgrading to the gauged nanohives. It will give you one more hive you can carry and deploy so you can move around more without getting too far from a hive. I believe they have the same CPU/PG costs as the basic. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit
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Posted - 2013.03.18 08:35:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:The grind till B-Series is a long one. A-Series is a difficult choice since Type-2 is so good. I'm having this situation atm same as him. B-Series is a good stop to start leveling those passive skills (sharshooter, shield control, etc.)
The grind is indeed long..... I got in the type II on day one of the build and stayed there until I got into the B series. I had acess to the A but it was squishy feeling to me compared to the dheild tank, and as mentioned the strafe is slower, unless you equip a breach AR and it seemed a little faster with the strafe.... good luck on the grind! I just pulled a 14 hr grind getting the Viziam Saturday. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit
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Posted - 2013.03.18 08:38:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:I see no reason to go into the type A with the core skills that you have. Type II, assault B, vk.1 are shield tanking fits... and your core skills are in this direction. Dust 514 : Assault B Suit Build And You ! http://youtu.be/FjcxxKuXzcADust 514 : How To Build A Type II Assault Suit http://youtu.be/jRJ1NtbmEls Really wish I had seen these before I blew my starter SP on trying to make a heavy fit -_- "Heavies are easy mode" they said...
you could had watched this heavy video..lol..it got you straight fast 0o
Dust 514 : Type II Heavy With HMG Starter Build
http://youtu.be/q_vDUlYz5iw
I think it was around 15 - 20 matches depending on the type of player you are you could have gone straight into this...or using corporation funds even faster. |
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