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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:41:00 -
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when the womhole collapsed it took the 4 empires a long time to get back to ftl. So if earth already had ftl capabilitys how technologicaly advanced r they now!? |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:44:00 -
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No one knows. The Home Galaxy was half way across the universe. They had already mastered the galaxy when the wormhole was discovered that took them to New Eden. It was the only thing that ended the war. With the loss of New Eden they could very well be the last humans left if the war restarted. Or the Home Galaxy is all but a dark age of blasted worlds from a war with technology that is comparable if not superior to Jovian tech. |
knight of 6
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
100
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:46:00 -
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probably all dead. they left to find resources, without steady resources from the WH IGÇÖd doubt that they're doing too well now.
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Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:46:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OOq3wTafCc despite its simplicity it is in my opinion one of the best openings to any game ever made. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:47:00 -
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they are probably 1000x more advanced then the jove |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3118
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:49:00 -
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Eve gate collasped 10k years ago.
Recently the Amarrians found a terran battleship sized weapon and used it.
It blew up an entire Minmatar fleet in one shot. Including a titan and all of her escorts. There is no technology elsewhere in existence in New Eden cluster capable of even remotely doing that.
Amarrians got rid of it and it blew up in some accident that caused all the O5 bluestars in our galaxy to destabilize and pulse. This simultaneous pulse destabilized our space time fabric allowing unstable wormholes to appear to a second galaxy cluster.
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
489
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:50:00 -
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But weren't they shipping resources to new Eden before the wh collapsed? So I'd have to assume that at least at that time resources weren't very scarce |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:52:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:they are probably 1000x more advanced then the jove
Maybe, maybe not. The Jove never fell into a dark age. But they have been noted for being very static because of their genetic engineering. So if you judge the Home Galaxy by the Jove everyone was that advanced.
It only took 5 Jovian ships to utterly curbstomp the grand Amarr fleet 113 years ago. If that war resumed without New Eden to sustain the Home Galaxy the conflict probably restarted. It would have taken a third galaxy or some other massive event to unite Humanity in the Home Galaxy. New Eden could be the last bastion of Humanity in the Universe.
Maybe though the Home Galaxy built a massive sleeper ship to travel the void between galaxies to reach New Eden. I wouldn't be opposed to CCP exploring this further. EvE is already one of the best games ever. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:54:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:But weren't they shipping resources to new Eden before the wh collapsed? So I'd have to assume that at least at that time resources weren't very scarce
They were battling over the limited and claimed resources of the Home Galaxy. So they would have to funnel resources into establishing those new colonies. Get them self sustaining so they could send them back to the Home Galaxy. Without the Home Galaxy the virgin colonies collapsed. And on a few worlds capable of sustaining life did Humanity remain. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3118
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:03:00 -
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Jovians admitted in the stories that terrans and sleepers are vastly superior to them.
Sleepers where the weakest caste of the people who came with the terrans where used like slaves just about. |
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Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:07:00 -
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Say what we will about the development of Dust regardless of any shenanigans going on, the lore of the game that it is based on is perhaps some of the more well thought out games out there. None of the other MMOs in my opinion are as deep and offer as much to do.
I wish though that Dust would have more PvE elements that linked with the lore of the game. Beyond just faction warfare. There is so much they can do. If I had the right degree I would apply to CCP to be a writer >.> |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:08:00 -
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wtf are terrans? |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:10:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:wtf are terrans?
Terrans = Humans from the Home Galaxy. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3118
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:14:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Say what we will about the development of Dust regardless of any shenanigans going on, the lore of the game that it is based on is perhaps some of the more well thought out games out there. None of the other MMOs in my opinion are as deep and offer as much to do.
I wish though that Dust would have more PvE elements that linked with the lore of the game. Beyond just faction warfare. There is so much they can do. If I had the right degree I would apply to CCP to be a writer >.>
While dust 514 may not have it, eve online does.
There is still an expedition to find out wtf happened to the Talocan. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
489
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:18:00 -
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Please link ANY talocan info you know of, they're the one race I know almost nothing about |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:22:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Please link ANY talocan info you know of, they're the one race I know almost nothing about
The only information to my knowledge is that they existed with the Sleepers, Takamhl and the Yan Jung. They also loved math. That is pretty much it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3118
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:23:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Please link ANY talocan info you know of, they're the one race I know almost nothing about
They where nomadic and most likely to have given rise to the minmatar people similar to how the sleeper gaves rise to the jovians.
However it seems the sleepers where experimenting on something... dangerous... whatever it was it wiped out their civilization and the Talocans. None the less people are still throwing expeditions out into the great unknown trying to find out what really happened. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:23:00 -
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does eve have a boundry u can't fly past |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
489
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Please link ANY talocan info you know of, they're the one race I know almost nothing about They where nomadic and most likely to have given rise to the minmatar people similar to how the sleeper gaves rise to the jovians. However it seems the sleepers where experimenting on something... dangerous... whatever it was it wiped out their civilization and the Talocans. None the less people are still throwing expeditions out into the great unknown trying to find out what really happened. Thanks for clarifying. Also, when I sent you a blank message after playing against you I meant to say good game but my Ps3 froze |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
489
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:27:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:does eve have a boundry u can't fly past Play and find out |
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Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:29:00 -
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There are what 9000 systems? Most of it is already claimed. What CCP should do is unleash the Enheduanni to give a more aggressive approach to null sec instead of the donut that currently exists. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:30:00 -
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lol not gonna fly that far out |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
489
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:33:00 -
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That's why the donut exists in the first place, but the Enheduanni would rid us if carebear land so I support adding them! |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
489
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:34:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:lol not gonna fly that far out Just save up 2-300mil and in a few days you'll be flying the fastest possible ship in eve |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:35:00 -
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Completely decimate all the corps out there *cough*gownswarm*cough* |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3119
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:38:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:That's why the donut exists in the first place, but the Enheduanni would rid us if carebear land so I support adding them!
Enhedaunni would likely start with all capsuleers first, wiping out the major military powers first. After all they're the greatest 'immortal' threat at the moment. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
415
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:39:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:probably all dead. they left to find resources, without steady resources from the WH IGÇÖd doubt that they're doing too well now.
Quite right. Terran civilization collapsed down to a single city on a single planet and the rest of its holdings were conquered by hostile aliens...
Oh wait, that's the game that Bungie's making:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_(video_game)
Our game will have thousands of planets. Theirs will have one. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
489
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:48:00 -
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But consider the fact that concord is the most powerful threat to them considering that they keep capsulers in check with relative ease, why wouldn't high sec be the first thing destroyed |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:57:00 -
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CONCORD uses Jovian tech, the Enheduanni are superior to them. And no longer even Human. So like Cthulhu in space |
Power Chord
Chernova Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.03.17 04:19:00 -
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It would be quite interesting to see another race of humans stumble into New Eden. Maybe humans from the home galaxy who went into a deep sleep looking for New Eden after EVE collapsed. Or perhaps after EVE collapsed another wormhole was found and there became a Newer Eden, and then that one collapsed as well. But then again I haven't been following this story for as long as others so I'm not really in a position to say anything.
Vaerana Myshtana wrote:knight of 6 wrote:probably all dead. they left to find resources, without steady resources from the WH IGÇÖd doubt that they're doing too well now.
Quite right. Terran civilization collapsed down to a single city on a single planet and the rest of its holdings were conquered by hostile aliens... Oh wait, that's the game that Bungie's making: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_(video_game) Our game will have thousands of planets. Theirs will have one. Not quite, they have screenshots of players on Mars and around Jupiter and Saturn. Still, EVE/Dust 514 is a whole galaxy, Destiny appears to be only a single system.
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:35:00 -
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is destiny free? |
Cat Merc
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.17 15:03:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:is destiny free? no |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:06:00 -
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:( |
Dagger-Two
Moira. Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:08:00 -
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Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history:
The EVE gate disaster happened over 14,000 years ago, which saw the the majority of colonies in the New Eden cluster die off, save those on the planets best suited for life. The millennia that followed saw the colonies struggle for survival, and slowly technology and knowledge eroded away. Earth faded from memory, and most everything related to it because myth or legend, or was forgotten completely. (ex: The minmatar have an Assault Frigate named the 'wolf', but nobody knows what the hell a wolf is, just legends of it).
What were at that time the predecessors of the jove/sleepers survived, along with several other groups we can only speculate at (Terrans, for example). It would seem that the Terrans were destroyed however, and the jovian ancestors took their people and ships and moved to a remote region of the cluster. (What happened from there regarding them, the Sleepers, and the Enheduanni, is all in the Templar One novel)
Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell.
Also, to address/reply to a few points:
Iron Wolf Saber - The Amarrian empress Jamyl Sarum found a Terran superweapon (which had been hidden by the Jove) thanks to a sleeper AI that is inside her head. The weapon was mounted into an Abaddon battleship and used on the Minmatar Elder fleet to devestating effect. The weapon was then hidden away, within a rogue drone hive in the system T-IPZB, where the rogue drones were gathering isogen-5 to refuel it, manipulated somehow by Sarum and the "other" in her head. The "End of the World" chronicles tell exactly what happened in the moments before, but a Thukker vessel fired on the iso-5 cache, which violently reacted, somehow resonating with every type A0 star in the cluster. From there, we got the appearance of the unstable wormholes that we see now.
Fraceska - CONCORD ships are made of the best technology available from all four races, as well as a bit of Jovian engineering. They are superior to vessels of any empire, but still inferior to actual Jovian vessels and technology. Enheduanni technology is likely superior to Jovian, but it seems they prefer to use maipulation to achieve their goals, rather than outright force. This is all just speculation, of course. In-character, nobody even knows what an Enheduanni is.
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Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
177
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:26:00 -
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We have seen these Enheduanni before... |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:35:00 -
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"Ruthless corporations rose to power seizing every world within their grasp. When the stargates could take them no further they turned against each other. igniting conflicts that would last for centuries The battles raged until the historic discovery of a natural wormhole, a celestial womb through which civilization could be reborn The first brave pioneers to enter this portal emerged unscathed, transported instantly across the universe to a virgin system they called New Eden" |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
177
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:36:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history:
Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell.
Look at this to help imagine what he is saying... Earth to known universe a star cluster would be equivalent to the solar interstellar neighborhood |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:41:00 -
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I am plenty aware of the scope of celestial objects. There is a void between galaxies so massive that Milky Way could pass through it and still have something like a billion light year clear on either side. There are still VY Canis Majoris is one of the largest stars known. It is so big that its diameter would go out to Jupiter if put in Earths solar system.
Edit: And when the Milky Way and Andromeda merge into one galaxy its increased mass with drag in all other local clusters, the minor dwarf galaxies that orbit the bigger ones. From there the other galaxies that are out there will merge into even larger galaxies until the light is so bright from inside these mega galaxies that you would not be able to see beyond those borders. But by that point available gases in the universe have begun to diminish and certain color stars and spectral types cease to form. The last of the stars to die will be red dwarves whose life spans are in the trillions of years because of how slowly they fuse helium. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
177
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:43:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:I am plenty aware of the scope of celestial objects. There is a void between galaxies so massive that Milky Way could pass through it and still have something like a billion light year clear on either side. There are still VY Canis Majoris is one of the largest stars known. It is so big that its diameter would go out to Jupiter if put in Earths Orbital path.
Fixed that for ya ^_^ |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:49:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sun_and_VY_Canis_Majoris.svg |
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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
419
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:03:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history:
Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell.
Look at this to help imagine what he is saying... Earth to known universe a star cluster would be equivalent to the solar interstellar neighborhood
Not exactly.
The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE.
In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy":
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/
Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above.
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Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:08:00 -
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Though as I already posted New Eden is nowhere even close to the Milky Way galaxy. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
177
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:13:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Enji Elric wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history:
Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell.
Look at this to help imagine what he is saying... Earth to known universe a star cluster would be equivalent to the solar interstellar neighborhood Not exactly. The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE. In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy": http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above.
I am in the camp that does not signify an mass of object bound by dark matter smaller than a globular cluster to be classified as an galaxy... IE a mass of dark matter holding objects in gravitational lock does not qualify it as an galaxy....
this is why we have a distinction between globular clusters and dwarf galaxies....
remember Pluto is not a planet it is a Plutoid (dwarf Planet) even though it is in orbit and has a satellite |
Kaerala Myshtana
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:18:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Not exactly. The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE. In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy": http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above. I am in the camp that does not signify an mass of object bound by dark matter smaller than a globular cluster to be classified as an galaxy... IE a mass of dark matter holding objects in gravitational lock does not qualify it as an galaxy.... this is why we have a distinction between globular clusters and dwarf galaxies....
Of course, New Eden is lenticular, not globular.
I'm not saying it isn't a cluster (Oh... it's a CLUSTER sometimes!) but rather that said cluster need not be part of a larger galaxy. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1699
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:21:00 -
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I doubt they would have stuck around in their home galaxy. It will probably be another 10,000 years before we even run into them passing by New Eden. As the story goes, they were unable to pin point the location of the New Eden galaxy in relation to the Milk Way galaxy so have my doubts that we would ever see them again.
Most of us have just decided to move on and forget about the past. Besides, I doubt they are still alive anyways considering they were practically killing each other long before they even discovered the wormhole. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:21:00 -
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But we all agree it is so far from Earth that the "homeworld" is irrelevant to those who inhabit New Eden. Their homeworlds are where Humanity managed to cling to life not some mythological place from millennium ago. Its like BSG what does Earth really mean? |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
177
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:23:00 -
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Kaerala Myshtana wrote:Enji Elric wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Not exactly. The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE. In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy": http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above. I am in the camp that does not signify an mass of object bound by dark matter smaller than a globular cluster to be classified as an galaxy... IE a mass of dark matter holding objects in gravitational lock does not qualify it as an galaxy.... this is why we have a distinction between globular clusters and dwarf galaxies.... Of course, New Eden is lenticular, not globular. I'm not saying it isn't a cluster (Oh... it's a CLUSTER sometimes!) but rather that said cluster need not be part of a larger galaxy.
cluster only signifies that it is a grouping of stars but not as large as a galaxy... and yea there are clusters that operate independently of galaxies... lenticular or otherwise
buuuttttttt clusters are usually older than galaxies...... ^_^ or the oldest part sometimes |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
177
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:24:00 -
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http://workshop.chromeexperiments.com/stars/ |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:26:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:http://workshop.chromeexperiments.com/stars/
You sir have won the internet. |
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