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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:

Enji Elric wrote:

Dagger-Two wrote:

Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history:

Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell.

Look at this to help imagine what he is saying... Earth to known universe a star cluster would be equivalent to the solar interstellar neighborhood

Not exactly.

The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE.

In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy":

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/

Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above.

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Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 28	Posted - 2013.03.17 14:35:00 - [31] - Quote is destiny free?
Cat Merc Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 52	Posted - 2013.03.17 15:03:00 - [32] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: is destiny free? no
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 28	Posted - 2013.03.17 16:06:00 - [33] - Quote :(
Dagger-Two Moira. Villore Accords 0	Posted - 2013.03.17 17:08:00 - [34] - Quote Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history: The EVE gate disaster happened over 14,000 years ago, which saw the the majority of colonies in the New Eden cluster die off, save those on the planets best suited for life. The millennia that followed saw the colonies struggle for survival, and slowly technology and knowledge eroded away. Earth faded from memory, and most everything related to it because myth or legend, or was forgotten completely. (ex: The minmatar have an Assault Frigate named the 'wolf', but nobody knows what the hell a wolf is, just legends of it). What were at that time the predecessors of the jove/sleepers survived, along with several other groups we can only speculate at (Terrans, for example). It would seem that the Terrans were destroyed however, and the jovian ancestors took their people and ships and moved to a remote region of the cluster. (What happened from there regarding them, the Sleepers, and the Enheduanni, is all in the Templar One novel) Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell. Also, to address/reply to a few points: Iron Wolf Saber - The Amarrian empress Jamyl Sarum found a Terran superweapon (which had been hidden by the Jove) thanks to a sleeper AI that is inside her head. The weapon was mounted into an Abaddon battleship and used on the Minmatar Elder fleet to devestating effect. The weapon was then hidden away, within a rogue drone hive in the system T-IPZB, where the rogue drones were gathering isogen-5 to refuel it, manipulated somehow by Sarum and the "other" in her head. The "End of the World" chronicles tell exactly what happened in the moments before, but a Thukker vessel fired on the iso-5 cache, which violently reacted, somehow resonating with every type A0 star in the cluster. From there, we got the appearance of the unstable wormholes that we see now. Fraceska - CONCORD ships are made of the best technology available from all four races, as well as a bit of Jovian engineering. They are superior to vessels of any empire, but still inferior to actual Jovian vessels and technology. Enheduanni technology is likely superior to Jovian, but it seems they prefer to use maipulation to achieve their goals, rather than outright force. This is all just speculation, of course. In-character, nobody even knows what an Enheduanni is.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 177	Posted - 2013.03.17 17:26:00 - [35] - Quote We have seen these Enheduanni before...
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 263	Posted - 2013.03.17 17:35:00 - [36] - Quote "Ruthless corporations rose to power seizing every world within their grasp. When the stargates could take them no further they turned against each other. igniting conflicts that would last for centuries The battles raged until the historic discovery of a natural wormhole, a celestial womb through which civilization could be reborn The first brave pioneers to enter this portal emerged unscathed, transported instantly across the universe to a virgin system they called New Eden"
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 177	Posted - 2013.03.17 17:36:00 - [37] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history: Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell. Look at this to help imagine what he is saying... Earth to known universe a star cluster would be equivalent to the solar interstellar neighborhood
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 263	Posted - 2013.03.17 17:41:00 - [38] - Quote I am plenty aware of the scope of celestial objects. There is a void between galaxies so massive that Milky Way could pass through it and still have something like a billion light year clear on either side. There are still VY Canis Majoris is one of the largest stars known. It is so big that its diameter would go out to Jupiter if put in Earths solar system. Edit: And when the Milky Way and Andromeda merge into one galaxy its increased mass with drag in all other local clusters, the minor dwarf galaxies that orbit the bigger ones. From there the other galaxies that are out there will merge into even larger galaxies until the light is so bright from inside these mega galaxies that you would not be able to see beyond those borders. But by that point available gases in the universe have begun to diminish and certain color stars and spectral types cease to form. The last of the stars to die will be red dwarves whose life spans are in the trillions of years because of how slowly they fuse helium.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 177	Posted - 2013.03.17 17:43:00 - [39] - Quote Fraceska wrote: I am plenty aware of the scope of celestial objects. There is a void between galaxies so massive that Milky Way could pass through it and still have something like a billion light year clear on either side. There are still VY Canis Majoris is one of the largest stars known. It is so big that its diameter would go out to Jupiter if put in Earths Orbital path. Fixed that for ya ^_^
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 263	Posted - 2013.03.17 17:49:00 - [40] - Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sun_and_VY_Canis_Majoris.svg

Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 419	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:03:00 - [41] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history: Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell. Look at this to help imagine what he is saying... Earth to known universe a star cluster would be equivalent to the solar interstellar neighborhood Not exactly. The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE. In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy": http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/ Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 263	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:08:00 - [42] - Quote Though as I already posted New Eden is nowhere even close to the Milky Way galaxy.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 177	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:13:00 - [43] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Just wanted to clear up a few points here about EVE's history: Now, New Eden is not a galaxy, it is just a star cluster. The distances between star clusters are so enormous that it is impossible to bridge it using the artificial wormhole technology of stargates. 'Home', if you want to call the cluster that Earth was a part of, beyond the EVE gate, was also a star cluster. For all we know, New Eden is in the same galaxy as 'Home', or it could be in a totally different galaxy. It's impossible to tell. Look at this to help imagine what he is saying... Earth to known universe a star cluster would be equivalent to the solar interstellar neighborhood Not exactly. The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE. In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy": http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/ Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above. I am in the camp that does not signify an mass of object bound by dark matter smaller than a globular cluster to be classified as an galaxy... IE a mass of dark matter holding objects in gravitational lock does not qualify it as an galaxy.... this is why we have a distinction between globular clusters and dwarf galaxies.... remember Pluto is not a planet it is a Plutoid (dwarf Planet) even though it is in orbit and has a satellite
Kaerala Myshtana Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:18:00 - [44] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Not exactly. The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE. In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy": http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/ Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above. I am in the camp that does not signify an mass of object bound by dark matter smaller than a globular cluster to be classified as an galaxy... IE a mass of dark matter holding objects in gravitational lock does not qualify it as an galaxy.... this is why we have a distinction between globular clusters and dwarf galaxies.... Of course, New Eden is lenticular, not globular. I'm not saying it isn't a cluster (Oh... it's a CLUSTER sometimes!) but rather that said cluster need not be part of a larger galaxy.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1699	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:21:00 - [45] - Quote I doubt they would have stuck around in their home galaxy. It will probably be another 10,000 years before we even run into them passing by New Eden. As the story goes, they were unable to pin point the location of the New Eden galaxy in relation to the Milk Way galaxy so have my doubts that we would ever see them again. Most of us have just decided to move on and forget about the past. Besides, I doubt they are still alive anyways considering they were practically killing each other long before they even discovered the wormhole.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 263	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:21:00 - [46] - Quote But we all agree it is so far from Earth that the "homeworld" is irrelevant to those who inhabit New Eden. Their homeworlds are where Humanity managed to cling to life not some mythological place from millennium ago. Its like BSG what does Earth really mean?
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 177	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:23:00 - [47] - Quote Kaerala Myshtana wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Not exactly. The "Solar Interstellar Neighborhood" is about the size of a "Region" in EVE. In addition, star clusters can sometimes move independently of galaxies. The New Eden cluster can still be an independent "micro-galaxy": http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/08/01/the-smallest-mini-galaxy-in-th/ Given that New Eden has over 7,000 linked systems (and an unknown number of unlinked) this would make it several times more star-filled than the real-world example given above. I am in the camp that does not signify an mass of object bound by dark matter smaller than a globular cluster to be classified as an galaxy... IE a mass of dark matter holding objects in gravitational lock does not qualify it as an galaxy.... this is why we have a distinction between globular clusters and dwarf galaxies.... Of course, New Eden is lenticular, not globular. I'm not saying it isn't a cluster (Oh... it's a CLUSTER sometimes!) but rather that said cluster need not be part of a larger galaxy. cluster only signifies that it is a grouping of stars but not as large as a galaxy... and yea there are clusters that operate independently of galaxies... lenticular or otherwise buuuttttttt clusters are usually older than galaxies...... ^_^ or the oldest part sometimes
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 177	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:24:00 - [48] - Quote http://workshop.chromeexperiments.com/stars/
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 263	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:26:00 - [49] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: http://workshop.chromeexperiments.com/stars/ You sir have won the internet.


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