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Void Echo
A.I.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:24:00 -
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I played a skirmish game and won by a lot, I was running my shield tank which is worth 1.3 million isk, at the end of the match I was killed by a militia forge gun because I got trapped at one of the objectives, I got mad because I just lost almost 1.5 million isk right then but I didn't rage at all, 2 minutes later I get a message from the player that killed me.
From: OMC TONTD
To: Void Echo
Subject: HAHA.
Body: Empty.
so I replied to him-
From: Void Echo
To: OMC TONTD
Subject: Re: HAHA
Body: good shot, got me trapped lol, now if you skill up in AV il respect you.
then his reply to that is proof that militia forge is OP.
To: Void Echo
From: OMC TONTD
Subject: Re: Re: HAHA
Body: Why? I killed 3 of your teams tanks with militia gear... don't need any expensive stuff, no reason for me to skill up in it.
that conversation is proof that militia AV gear is OP, he admitted himself that there is no reason for him to skill up in AV equipment when he can take out 3 of our tanks with just 1 militia forge gun that he didn't skill up for by himself.
this is all the proof you need that militia AV gear is OP. my suggestion, remove the militia forge guns or nerf down all militia gear. |
Croned
Crysx
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:35:00 -
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Militia forge gun? You can only get a forge gun once you reach weaponry level 5. There's not a militia version of the forge gun. In any case, how do know the tanks weren't already at low health? |
Landari Zeta
Exit Wound Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:36:00 -
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Get in line. There are 9000+ other threads about this and yours is probably the least compelling.
I'm an active HAV driver and I think militia forge weapons are fine. Except AV Grenades. Those things are ********.
Swarm Launchers take 3-4 hits to take out an average HAV. Thats a lot if you are trying to hit a moving target who 'should' be behind cover. If you are driving a militia HAV, might only take 2-3.
Militia Forge Guns are not that broken honestly. Its basically a heavy railgun for infantry. You would expect more damage out of that than any rocket launcher, and even so it takes 3-4 shots to kill any competent HAV driver.
And you already stated your problem. You got trapped. A stuck tank is a dead tank, no matter how much armor or shields you have. An HAVs mobility is as great an asset, or greater, than its actual tank. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
166
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:38:00 -
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How long were you trapped? Those 7k HP with resists should make 9-10k eHP. Against a militia forge gun with no skills it'd take nine shots for him to take you out. That's 31.5 seconds just in charge times. There's also two reloads in there, since a militia forge only has a magazine of three rounds. With all that he'd have to be shooting at you for almost a solid minute. I mean, he could halve that if he was hitting you in the weak spot on your back, but still. |
Eisen Sonnet
Prototype Technology Corp.
3
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:41:00 -
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So, he would have had to accurately fire an AV weapon over 6 or 7 times (I'm guessing you also repaired during this) at a base of 4.5 sec charge times + a reloading time after each 4 shots? That doesn't sound very over-powered. |
Mithridates VI
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:48:00 -
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Croned wrote:Militia forge gun? You can only get a forge gun once you reach weaponry level 5. There's not a militia version of the forge gun. In any case, how do know the tanks weren't already at low health?
The starter fit sentinel comes with a militia forge gun.
I'm pretty sure they're out there. |
Void Echo
A.I.
31
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:48:00 -
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yeah I got trapped 10 seconds before I was killed and yeah I used a shield booster to try and get back but he fired more than my shield was boosting. |
Wojciak
Soldiers Of One Network
Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.17 00:01:00 -
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Forge guns do more damage to shields than they do to armor. keep that in mind. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
166
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Posted - 2013.03.17 00:22:00 -
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Wojciak wrote:Forge guns do more damage to shields than they do to armor. keep that in mind.
This isn't true. Point a forge gun at a shield HAV, it'll say "efficiency: 100%". Unless you point it at the bottom, or the weak spot on the back, then it'll be more.
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TheEnd762
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:02:00 -
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He may have dealt some good damage to you, and got the killing blow, but you were trapped, and other enemies could've been firing on you as well. In my experience, the militia forge gun is under-powered, if not just fine. It's an AV weapon, and it's taken me 4-5 hits (or more) just to take out militia and basic tanks. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
594
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:08:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
that conversation is proof that militia AV gear is OP, he admitted himself that there is no reason for him to skill up in AV equipment when he can take out 3 of our tanks with just 1 militia forge gun that he didn't skill up for by himself.
That conversation is proof that your team did poorly not that the MLT Forge is OP. Provide some real evidence sir, a nice chit chat is not going to prove 5 cents that something is OP. |
Wojciak
Soldiers Of One Network
Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:18:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Wojciak wrote:Forge guns do more damage to shields than they do to armor. keep that in mind. This isn't true. Point a forge gun at a shield HAV, it'll say "efficiency: 100%". Unless you point it at the bottom, or the weak spot on the back, then it'll be more.
with you armor it dose not matter how power full the forge gun is at the moment it is the shield heavy av weapon. also i think the efficiency goes down for armor. (i may be wrong). he also might have had damage mods on.
this is going to boil down to tanks v infantry, tanks want to be more powerful the infantry wants better av. |
Rusty Shallows
Creative Killers
11
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Posted - 2013.03.17 06:24:00 -
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Eisen Sonnet wrote:So, he would have had to accurately fire an AV weapon over 6 or 7 times (I'm guessing you also repaired during this) at a base of 4.5 sec charge times + a reloading time after each 4 shots? That doesn't sound very over-powered.
Aside, Militia Forges only hold 3 rounds. Which actually mattered back when I was spawning in the Dire Sentinel fit. With low skills and ranges sometimes it took four shots to take out Turret Installations. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
18
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Posted - 2013.03.17 06:51:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Croned wrote:Militia forge gun? You can only get a forge gun once you reach weaponry level 5. There's not a militia version of the forge gun. In any case, how do know the tanks weren't already at low health? The starter fit sentinel comes with a militia forge gun. I'm pretty sure they're out there.
the militia forge cost about 1300isk so yea 3 shoot for 1200 each and 100% vs both shield and armor |
Thrillhouse Van Houten
DIOS EX.
27
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Posted - 2013.03.17 09:30:00 -
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Militia FGs do indeed exist. I use one regularly for AV as well.
I have had a couple matches where I've killed a couple tanks or DSs with it...but not without help. DSs go down pretty hard but even a lowbie militia tank can withstand several shots with a MLT FG. I use a complex heavy dmg mode, too.
Normally, if I popped a high end tank with a MLT FG I'd be ecstatic because you simply can't kill one alone. If the driver is awful and doesn't take a single shot at you and just lets you kill him...MAYBE. I still think any guy boosting and moving will shred a MLT Heavy.
You basically had to have been hit with another gun at some point. The guy bragging or the kill splash up in the corner saying "Militia Forge Gun" doesn't mean he was the only one who hit you. |
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