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Charlotte O'Dell
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.14 14:42:00 -
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A good railgun tank in the red line is unkillable- even by orbital strikes. If we had large mortar turrets to make areas that tanks us for cover dangerous, forcing railguns to leave cover. |
Kesi Raae Kaae
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Posted - 2013.03.14 14:45:00 -
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How about artillery?
I really, really hope artillery turrets end up as awesome as people expect them to be. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:12:00 -
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It is artillery. But it needs to be completely useless at close range or it'll be overpowered. It should be able to shoot so high and far, that spotters/forward observers become necessary. It should have a minimum range of 50m The power of the charge and angle of barrel should be controllable. In exchange, the turret does not rotate so L/R on the right stick increases power and U/D changes angle of barrel. Range should exceed that of railgun and come in different varieties:
Suppression: 200dmg. 8m blast. 15 rounds/minute
Seige: 650dmg. 3.5m blast. 12 rounds/minute
Rapid: 180dmg. 3m blast. 22 rounds/minute. |
RECON BY FIRE
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:06:00 -
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Mortars are not the same as artillery, just an FYI. As such they would not exceed the range of a railgun. If anything they would match it, but would probably be closer to mass driver range on our current maps. It would also need to be rotatable to some degree or else when you notice your rounds are landing beside the target you would be able to do nothing about it. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:57:00 -
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The artillery piece that you describe is a howitzer. Excellent weapons that nowadays have ones mounted on a mobile firing platform that can fulfil most combat artillery roles from direct fire to indirect fire. It's the direction I'd like to see the mobile artillery in Dust to go. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:00:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Mortars are not the same as artillery, just an FYI. As such they would not exceed the range of a railgun. If anything they would match it, but would probably be closer to mass driver range on our current maps. It would also need to be rotatable to some degree or else when you notice your rounds are landing beside the target you would be able to do nothing about it.
Types of artillery: Guns: think of the 120mm cannon on the M1 abrams. Mostly straight trajectory. Howitzers: The modern M777. A medium between the gum and the morter. Morter: the 81mm morter of today. Very steep trajectory.
All are technically artillery, though howitzers claim most of the fame. These weapons could be extremely powerful with a good crew (gunner, spotter, at a high altitude to adjust fire, and a forward observer embedded in the the infantry to request fire. No longer would railguns dominate if.they couldn't return fire bc LOS isn't necessary anymore |
Charlotte O'Dell
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:02:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:The artillery piece that you describe is a howitzer. Excellent weapons that nowadays have ones mounted on a mobile firing platform that can fulfil most combat artillery roles from direct fire to indirect fire. It's the direction I'd like to see the mobile artillery in Dust to go.
I agree for the most part, but mobile artillery are usually to lightlu armored to duke it out with.tanks and live. It's range should come at the cost of HUGE (1400) PG requirements |
Charlotte O'Dell
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:06:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Mortars are not the same as artillery, just an FYI. As such they would not exceed the range of a railgun. If anything they would match it, but would probably be closer to mass driver range on our current maps. It would also need to be rotatable to some degree or else when you notice your rounds are landing beside the target you would be able to do nothing about it.
Ok, turrets get to rotate, but these tanks need at least double range of railguns. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:14:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:The artillery piece that you describe is a howitzer. Excellent weapons that nowadays have ones mounted on a mobile firing platform that can fulfil most combat artillery roles from direct fire to indirect fire. It's the direction I'd like to see the mobile artillery in Dust to go. I agree for the most part, but mobile artillery are usually to lightlu armored to duke it out with.tanks and live. It's range should come at the cost of HUGE (1400) PG requirements I'm 100% in agreement with ya on the cost to install. Mobile artillery isn't meant to be having an upfront fight with tanks. Protection should mainly just be up to helping against infantry assaults. I'd actually prefer a different body more specifically designed for the role than the present HAVs |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:18:00 -
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An excellent example of a modern day mobile howitzer: http://www.military-today.com/artillery/donar.htm |
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RECON BY FIRE
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:21:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Mortars are not the same as artillery, just an FYI. As such they would not exceed the range of a railgun. If anything they would match it, but would probably be closer to mass driver range on our current maps. It would also need to be rotatable to some degree or else when you notice your rounds are landing beside the target you would be able to do nothing about it. Types of artillery: Guns: think of the 120mm cannon on the M1 abrams. Mostly straight trajectory. Howitzers: The modern M777. A medium between the gum and the morter. Morter: the 81mm morter of today. Very steep trajectory. All are technically artillery, though howitzers claim most of the fame. These weapons could be extremely powerful with a good crew (gunner, spotter, at a high altitude to adjust fire, and a forward observer embedded in the the infantry to request fire. No longer would railguns dominate if.they couldn't return fire bc LOS isn't necessary anymore
Dear baby Jesus, everyone is always an expert on military stuff arent they? The main gun on an Abrams is not artillery, it is a tank cannon that does not lob its ammunition. Mortars are man-portable, have much shorter range, and are not artillery. Only artilley is artillery, howizter is simply another name for a piece of artillery. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:40:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Mortars are not the same as artillery, just an FYI. As such they would not exceed the range of a railgun. If anything they would match it, but would probably be closer to mass driver range on our current maps. It would also need to be rotatable to some degree or else when you notice your rounds are landing beside the target you would be able to do nothing about it. Types of artillery: Guns: think of the 120mm cannon on the M1 abrams. Mostly straight trajectory. Howitzers: The modern M777. A medium between the gum and the morter. Morter: the 81mm morter of today. Very steep trajectory. All are technically artillery, though howitzers claim most of the fame. These weapons could be extremely powerful with a good crew (gunner, spotter, at a high altitude to adjust fire, and a forward observer embedded in the the infantry to request fire. No longer would railguns dominate if.they couldn't return fire bc LOS isn't necessary anymore Dear baby Jesus, everyone is always an expert on military stuff arent they? The main gun on an Abrams is not artillery, it is a tank cannon that does not lob its ammunition. Mortars are man-portable, have much shorter range, and are not artillery. Only artillery is artillery, howizter is simply another name for a piece of artillery. Ya might want to have a read into mortars. They come in both smaller infantry transported and larger self propelled versions. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:45:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Mortars are not the same as artillery, just an FYI. As such they would not exceed the range of a railgun. If anything they would match it, but would probably be closer to mass driver range on our current maps. It would also need to be rotatable to some degree or else when you notice your rounds are landing beside the target you would be able to do nothing about it. Types of artillery: Guns: think of the 120mm cannon on the M1 abrams. Mostly straight trajectory. Howitzers: The modern M777. A medium between the gum and the morter. Morter: the 81mm morter of today. Very steep trajectory. All are technically artillery, though howitzers claim most of the fame. These weapons could be extremely powerful with a good crew (gunner, spotter, at a high altitude to adjust fire, and a forward observer embedded in the the infantry to request fire. No longer would railguns dominate if.they couldn't return fire bc LOS isn't necessary anymore Dear baby Jesus, everyone is always an expert on military stuff arent they? The main gun on an Abrams is not artillery, it is a tank cannon that does not lob its ammunition. Mortars are man-portable, have much shorter range, and are not artillery. Only artillery is artillery, howizter is simply another name for a piece of artillery. Ya might want to have a read into mortars. They come in both smaller infantry transported and larger self propelled versions.
A tank is a cannon on a carriage. Cannons shot straight forward in history. Artillery, technically describes any large gun. Thr sub-classes describe trajectory. |
RECON BY FIRE
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:04:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Mortars are not the same as artillery, just an FYI. As such they would not exceed the range of a railgun. If anything they would match it, but would probably be closer to mass driver range on our current maps. It would also need to be rotatable to some degree or else when you notice your rounds are landing beside the target you would be able to do nothing about it. Types of artillery: Guns: think of the 120mm cannon on the M1 abrams. Mostly straight trajectory. Howitzers: The modern M777. A medium between the gum and the morter. Morter: the 81mm morter of today. Very steep trajectory. All are technically artillery, though howitzers claim most of the fame. These weapons could be extremely powerful with a good crew (gunner, spotter, at a high altitude to adjust fire, and a forward observer embedded in the the infantry to request fire. No longer would railguns dominate if.they couldn't return fire bc LOS isn't necessary anymore Dear baby Jesus, everyone is always an expert on military stuff arent they? The main gun on an Abrams is not artillery, it is a tank cannon that does not lob its ammunition. Mortars are man-portable, have much shorter range, and are not artillery. Only artillery is artillery, howizter is simply another name for a piece of artillery. Ya might want to have a read into mortars. They come in both smaller infantry transported and larger self propelled versions.
Please show me one of these self propelled mortars since my time as a weapons repairman and a Cavalry Scout in the Army means I have no knowledge of such things whatsoever. Please do, both of you, try and show me. |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:49:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Mortars are not the same as artillery, just an FYI. As such they would not exceed the range of a railgun. If anything they would match it, but would probably be closer to mass driver range on our current maps. It would also need to be rotatable to some degree or else when you notice your rounds are landing beside the target you would be able to do nothing about it. Types of artillery: Guns: think of the 120mm cannon on the M1 abrams. Mostly straight trajectory. Howitzers: The modern M777. A medium between the gum and the morter. Morter: the 81mm morter of today. Very steep trajectory. All are technically artillery, though howitzers claim most of the fame. These weapons could be extremely powerful with a good crew (gunner, spotter, at a high altitude to adjust fire, and a forward observer embedded in the the infantry to request fire. No longer would railguns dominate if.they couldn't return fire bc LOS isn't necessary anymore Dear baby Jesus, everyone is always an expert on military stuff arent they? The main gun on an Abrams is not artillery, it is a tank cannon that does not lob its ammunition. Mortars are man-portable, have much shorter range, and are not artillery. Only artillery is artillery, howizter is simply another name for a piece of artillery. Ya might want to have a read into mortars. They come in both smaller infantry transported and larger self propelled versions. Please show me one of these self propelled mortars since my time as a weapons repairman and a Cavalry Scout in the Army means I have no knowledge of such things whatsoever. Please do, both of you, try and show me. May I join in? |
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:56:00 -
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So putting a weapon on/in a vehicle turns it into a differant kind of weapon? Awesome. Ill notify the military that they can take crew served MGs and put them on Abrams as the main cannon to save money. Putting a mortar inside an APC does not make it artillery, nor does it make it a self propelled mortar. |
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:58:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M2_-_24th_MEU.jpg
Hey look guys! Its a self propelled 50! |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:11:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:So putting a weapon on/in a vehicle turns it into a differant kind of weapon? Well, if you think an artillery piece being self-propelled makes it different, yes. It's still artillery, but it is self-propelled, thus the term self-propelled artillery. Makes sense, eh?
And regardless of what you say, mortars are artillery.
Your analogy doesn't work. Machine guns are not the main armament. Perhaps the most useful in many environments, but still not the main armament. If you made a vehicle with only one purpose: to carry a machine gun, I suppose you could call it a self-propelled machine gun. |
Klivve Cussler
Ransoms Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:17:00 -
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So, a large Mass Driver turret with a minimum elevation in order to be vulnerable in-close? Cool. I like it. You'd want an AP variant (low damage high splash) and an AV variant (high damage low splash).
Gawd it would make being red-lined SUCK!
Not going to get involved in the artillery discussion, but I think one of you is definitely correct. |
Principus Shmoof Triariian
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:47:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:The artillery piece that you describe is a howitzer. Excellent weapons that nowadays have ones mounted on a mobile firing platform that can fulfil most combat artillery roles from direct fire to indirect fire. It's the direction I'd like to see the mobile artillery in Dust to go. Soooooooooo like a self propelled gun? |
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